EPTUnofficial NASL Season 2 Thread - Page 7
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8324 Posts
On July 11 2011 12:52 jmbthirteen wrote: Man you are crazy if you think yeam eu is as strong as team korea. Team korea has dominated the last mlg, dreamhack and now nasl. EU players would have done better in all three of these tournaments if that was true. I'm not talking about the Europeans versus the koreans in any tournament but this one right here, and here I believe the europeans in general are as strong as the koreans that they signed. Look at alive getting beat by darkforce in the Nasl finals for example. Players which I think are gonna take A LOT of games off of koreans: Ret (who only lost to Puma, the NASL champion all season long). Thorzain (he just keeps getting better and is on a similar skill level as MC, currently they're at 5-8 for MC after playing in TSL, MLG, and HSC3) Sjow (had a weak first season but lately has been showing terrific results against some of the absolute top Europeans including White-Ra and Sase) White-Ra: He's good man, just inconsitent lately. Basically, right now the Koreans are just a bit more consistent than the europeans, which of course counts for a lot, but it's something that can be improved quite quickly, and I think Ret and Thorzain especially are gonna show us that. Plus, Nightend took a game off of Puma, so maybe now that he's in Fnatic he'll start doing really well. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On July 11 2011 13:24 TheDougler wrote: I'm not talking about the Europeans versus the koreans in any tournament but this one right here, and here I believe the europeans in general are as strong as the koreans that they signed. Look at alive getting beat by darkforce in the Nasl finals for example. Players which I think are gonna take A LOT of games off of koreans: Ret (who only lost to Puma, the NASL champion all season long). Thorzain (he just keeps getting better and is on a similar skill level as MC, currently they're at 5-8 for MC after playing in TSL, MLG, and HSC3) Sjow (had a weak first season but lately has been showing terrific results against some of the absolute top Europeans including White-Ra and Sase) White-Ra: He's good man, just inconsitent lately. Basically, right now the Koreans are just a bit more consistent than the europeans, which of course counts for a lot, but it's something that can be improved quite quickly, and I think Ret and Thorzain especially are gonna show us that. Plus, Nightend took a game off of Puma, so maybe now that he's in Fnatic he'll start doing really well. Thorzain isn't close to MC in skill, he's gotten stomped at every meeting after TSL, in MC's worst matchup. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Ret (who only lost to Puma, the NASL champion all season long). Ret lost to Ace too. O_o | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
Meanwhile, if NASL were restricted based on nationality, everyone would complain about discrimination! Seriously... how can you complain about a tournament that is giving all of us the opportunity to watch the best players on all seven continents duke it out in a truly "global" Starcraft II league?  | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Seriously... how can you complain about a tournament that is giving all of us the opportunity to watch the best players on all seven continents duke it out in a truly "global" Starcraft II league? Usually it's because their favorite B-level progamer ends up getting obliterated by superior players. | ||
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KingGreasy
United States162 Posts
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Highcounsel
United States132 Posts
On July 11 2011 12:11 AustinCM wrote: Why is this called the North American Star League when North America is the least represented of the 3 major starcraft groups. This has been answered already, but it is the same reason the GSL is still called the GSL, it is about having the best players in the world in a tourney so we get to see the best play, if NA actually was the best it would be a lot of them, but of course at this time it is the Koreans and EU... | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On July 11 2011 13:24 TheDougler wrote: I'm not talking about the Europeans versus the koreans in any tournament but this one right here, and here I believe the europeans in general are as strong as the koreans that they signed. Look at alive getting beat by darkforce in the Nasl finals for example. Players which I think are gonna take A LOT of games off of koreans: Ret (who only lost to Puma, the NASL champion all season long). Thorzain (he just keeps getting better and is on a similar skill level as MC, currently they're at 5-8 for MC after playing in TSL, MLG, and HSC3) Sjow (had a weak first season but lately has been showing terrific results against some of the absolute top Europeans including White-Ra and Sase) White-Ra: He's good man, just inconsitent lately. Basically, right now the Koreans are just a bit more consistent than the europeans, which of course counts for a lot, but it's something that can be improved quite quickly, and I think Ret and Thorzain especially are gonna show us that. Plus, Nightend took a game off of Puma, so maybe now that he's in Fnatic he'll start doing really well. Thorzain hasn't showed anything besides his TSL3 run Sjow beating europeans is nice but that doesn't have much to do with Eu vs Kr White-Ra, yeah he is good, but I don't think it's inconsistency so as just falling behind Ret probably has the best chances of those you listed, but he only played a couple koreans in his group play (Ace / MC) and got rocked immediately by Puma. I like your optimism, and while I agree that Europeans are *capable* of winning games against Koreans, I just don't see it regularly happening across the board. I mean, look at the koreans that are coming. You've got stellar players like MKP, sC, Moon, and of course koreans that were here for season 1. In fact, the worst koreans in that list are still very strong players such as Hero and Revival. And then when you look at the European list, there are some good players like you listed, but you have others like MoMan, TLO, Bratok, Lowely (who?). I just don't get you saying the europeans are in general as strong as the koreans - I think only the best europeans would be able to consistently beat the worst koreans. | ||
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Hakkesshu
United States78 Posts
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ironpiggy
United States70 Posts
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On July 11 2011 13:50 Hakkesshu wrote: MKP in this tourney? NASL 2 got my $20. I did not buy the NASL 1 ticket, but I just bought NASL 2 minutes ago. Almost all my favorite players are participating, like Hero <3, TOP, MC, Zenio, NaDa (yeah, I like the oGs team), and MKP. This season is going to be great. | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On July 11 2011 12:30 TheDougler wrote: Na man, team EU is almost as strong as team Korea this time around I think. Team Korea only has three players I would consider to be top koreans: MC, MKP, and Puma (and Puma's legitimacy is still in question, but he certainly impressed me tonight). July is a close runner up of course. While those three are the top who will be difficult to beat, team EU has some truely stellar players, and Thorzain might actually be BETTER than even those three Koreans I just mentioned, after he trains up a bit in korea... It's gonna be exciting. So I wouldn't expect team EU to get cut down to a third... Team NA though... yeah they have some SERIOUS work to do. We need HuK in this SO bad to rep NA. (And don't give me that "he's trained in korea nonsense, if he played in the NASL, he would be the iconic representation of North America, being both Canadian and American). Edit: And yeah, as long as it's the highest level of play, I'm happy, but I REALLY hope the north americans start really kicking it into gear here. I hate having to cheer on Idra. SOOOO many things wrong with this post and here's why: 1. For starters i would be highly surprised if Thorzain becomes better than the top Koreans after training in Korea. The primary reason Huk became good is because he's on ogs and they have MC. Thorzain won't have practice partners of the same caliber on fox united. Even if top Koreans agree to practice with him, there's a huge difference between practicing online with someone, versus practicing NEXT to someone, side by side. Hence Huk's exponential improvement after he started sitting next to MC. 2. Beating MC at TSL was the only notable accomplishment Thorzain has had against Koreans and that was when MC still wasn't taking him seriously. He still lost to MC at MLG, July at Dreamhack, and even Revival with lag in the open brackets. This is not to mention that at MLG he lost to Ret as well and at Dreamhack he didn't even make it out of group play after losing to Hasuobs and July. He managed to qualify for season 2 of NASL because his bracket had no Koreans and he quickly crumbled when he faced the first one. 3. Hasuobs has never beat a Korean in offline conditions and barely etched out a win against Ace with lag. 4. Morrow is good but beating Moon in lag filled conditions then rolling over to July offline does not make you as good as the Koreans. 4. Whitera couldn't even beat Select (who happens to be a very good player, but still not as good as the Korean trained players) 5. Bratock, Mana, Socke, Goody have all been either mediocre (losing to Koreans with lag) or bad (goody) 6. Best foreigner in terms of NASL results is Sen and he isn't even European. 7. Naniwa isn't even playing in NASL 2. If the Europeans can't even beat the Koreans with lag, what makes you think they are only slightly behind them. Especially considering the influx of new Korean players. | ||
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Zhalad
Australia231 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7799 Posts
God damnit. | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:13 _Darwin_ wrote: North American Star League has 10/45 North Americans. You are late to the party. | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On July 11 2011 14:13 _Darwin_ wrote: North American Star League has 10/45 North Americans. See your username for this website. Channel his wisdom and you might understand why US players keep dying out in the vast majority of major tournaments. | ||
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VsTerminus
Canada42 Posts
That being said, I was really, really turned off by NASL at it's birth. It seemed very low budget, and even immature in my eyes. But as they progressed through the season it really improved significantly. I'm very excited for Season 2. If it's anything like what the end of S1 was like, ti will be a huge success, but more than likely we will see improvement from the league the longer it goes on. | ||
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