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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On June 16 2011 12:28 dave333 wrote: Unfortunately, Idra didn't scout enough. Idra is goddamn good when it comes to standard play. You mean Idra is goddam good when it comes to being predictable? yeah, I totally agree, since his BW days that's always been his main problem | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:03 s4life wrote: You mean Idra is goddam good when it comes to being predictable? yeah, I totally agree, since his BW days that's always been his main problem Agree, what's with all these people saying his play is "standard"? Only standard openings are "good" because... well, since they're standard, it means they're probably the best opening. Now, standard strategies? That's different because by then you can get scouted and are just predictable. You're mapped out if you can only play standard, no matter how good you are, since there will be no surprises. The only reason why Idra is "good" is because he has decent macro, and that's it. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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rAsEk
Mexico15 Posts
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
GL Zenio in the finals | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
On June 16 2011 12:24 wongfeihung wrote: Who coined the term "coinflip?" I want to know, because I haven't even remotely heard anyone say anything about coinflips until I visited this thread. Term has been used in Starcraft for ages nows. ZvZ is BroodWar is constantly referred to as a coin flip. | ||
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LRObot
United States153 Posts
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Sevenofnines
United States167 Posts
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:12 Highways wrote: Term has been used in Starcraft for ages nows. ZvZ is BroodWar is constantly referred to as a coin flip. Unless it's JvZ xD | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
even jvz is gone now  .Was idra's fault he lost that second game, if he had sent a speed overlord or overseer in there he would have seen it, prepared for it, and been in good shape. Instead he didn't scout and died. Its not "being predictable" as some people say its being lazy and not scouting. Going muta's is risky in zvz, if your opponent knows your doing it he has a timing to do some damage, or just hard counter and make your muta's worthless. Muta's is very risky and if you don't believe it is, then your either an extremely lucky zerg player at lower leagues or you just haven't done it enough to realize how risky it is if your opponent scouts it coming. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Agree, what's with all these people saying his play is "standard"? Only standard openings are "good" because... well, since they're standard, it means they're probably the best opening. Now, standard strategies? That's different because by then you can get scouted and are just predictable. You're mapped out if you can only play standard, no matter how good you are, since there will be no surprises. The only reason why Idra is "good" is because he has decent macro, and that's it. Even then there are many players with just as good/better macro. Can't win off only macro. Players like Nestea, Mvp, Bomber etc. come to mind. Just as superb/stronger macro but also seem to have better micro, strategy, star sense etc. Idra is a strong player no doubt. But he's very limited when it comes to the mind. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:16 Sevenofnines wrote: LOL at the coinflip excuses. It's not a coinflip when your opponent is the more predictable than the sun rising in the East. When Idra learns to vary his strats maybe he'll stop losing so often to "coinflips". what? it was 100% a coinflip. if you think otherwise, you need to go study the ZvZ match up, then rewatch the game. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:26 Skyze wrote: aww crap I missed these games.. sounds pretty epic. Did idra GG?? The answer to your question is obvious lol | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
sweeet | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:27 L3g3nd_ wrote: what? it was 100% a coinflip. if you think otherwise, you need to go study the ZvZ match up, then rewatch the game. What if it is a coinflip? Big deal. Idra loses the macro games vs Zenio too. He lost fair and square. Making up excuses for him is getting old. | ||
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Sevenofnines
United States167 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:27 L3g3nd_ wrote: what? it was 100% a coinflip. if you think otherwise, you need to go study the ZvZ match up, then rewatch the game. Wrong. It's only a coinflip when all possible openings are equally likely to be used by Idra. If you know the guy is doing the same thing every time, it's no longer a coinflip. It's similar to how if I know that some guy always plays Rock first in RPS, I'll be playing Paper. Of course, he can meta-game me by playing Scissor first, but Idra is either incapable of or unwilling to consider such a simple concept. | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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