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wongfeihung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States763 Posts
June 16 2011 04:38 GMT
#1001
On June 16 2011 13:12 Highways wrote:
Term has been used in Starcraft for ages nows.

ZvZ is BroodWar is constantly referred to as a coin flip.

Thanks! First time I saw it, I was like, "What is that?!"
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
June 16 2011 04:40 GMT
#1002
Zenio in finals !
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iamahydralisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States813 Posts
June 16 2011 04:40 GMT
#1003
On June 16 2011 13:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 13:03 s4life wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:28 dave333 wrote:
Unfortunately, Idra didn't scout enough. Idra is goddamn good when it comes to standard play.


You mean Idra is goddam good when it comes to being predictable? yeah, I totally agree, since his BW days that's always been his main problem


Agree, what's with all these people saying his play is "standard"? Only standard openings are "good" because... well, since they're standard, it means they're probably the best opening. Now, standard strategies? That's different because by then you can get scouted and are just predictable. You're mapped out if you can only play standard, no matter how good you are, since there will be no surprises.

The only reason why Idra is "good" is because he has decent macro, and that's it.

While I definitely agree that Idra needs to mix it up strategy wise, I think it's pretty silly to say his macro is only "decent." He has world class macro, and I firmly believe he has the potential to be the best player in the world if his strategies were up to par.
"well if youre looking for long term, go safe, if you expect it to end either way, go risky. wow. just like sc2" - friend of mine when I asked him which girl to pick
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
June 16 2011 04:40 GMT
#1004
On June 16 2011 13:37 Scrandom wrote:
Does anyone know if the final event is double elimination? I've asked in multiple threads but have yet to get an answer


No. It's a single elimination 16 player bracket.
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Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
June 16 2011 04:42 GMT
#1005
On June 16 2011 13:40 cablesc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 13:37 Scrandom wrote:
Does anyone know if the final event is double elimination? I've asked in multiple threads but have yet to get an answer


No. It's a single elimination 16 player bracket.


Damn, that's pretty lame. Would suck for the players that fly 10+ hour flights to possible only play 2 games of starcraft and then fly back home.
The Shiva
Profile Joined April 2011
United States8 Posts
June 16 2011 04:44 GMT
#1006
On June 16 2011 12:47 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at people saying Zenio is coinflippy. Did you even watch the games they played before, he straight 2-0'd IdrA in macro games, and in one he was extremely behind and still crushed IdrA. But I guess everything is a "build order loss", because IdrA is too awesome to lose any standard games.


lol that coin must have "Zenio" on both sides
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
June 16 2011 04:46 GMT
#1007
Can someone explain the NASL finals format to me? Does this mean that IdrA is 100% eliminated?
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
June 16 2011 04:48 GMT
#1008
On June 16 2011 13:46 IPA wrote:
Can someone explain the NASL finals format to me? Does this mean that IdrA is 100% eliminated?

Yes he is out for season 1.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
June 16 2011 04:58 GMT
#1009
Wow, IdrA just can't beat Zenio.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
ObliviousNA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States535 Posts
June 16 2011 04:59 GMT
#1010
On June 16 2011 13:44 The Shiva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:47 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at people saying Zenio is coinflippy. Did you even watch the games they played before, he straight 2-0'd IdrA in macro games, and in one he was extremely behind and still crushed IdrA. But I guess everything is a "build order loss", because IdrA is too awesome to lose any standard games.


lol that coin must have "Zenio" on both sides


hahaha, awesome!

Does anyone know if whitera made it through, last i heard he was on the brink.
He lost a few no-shows b/c of scheduling issues, so i hope that didnt ruin his playoff chances, he's my favorite for the tournament.
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
June 16 2011 05:04 GMT
#1011
On June 16 2011 13:59 ObliviousNA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 13:44 The Shiva wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:47 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at people saying Zenio is coinflippy. Did you even watch the games they played before, he straight 2-0'd IdrA in macro games, and in one he was extremely behind and still crushed IdrA. But I guess everything is a "build order loss", because IdrA is too awesome to lose any standard games.


lol that coin must have "Zenio" on both sides


hahaha, awesome!

Does anyone know if whitera made it through, last i heard he was on the brink.
He lost a few no-shows b/c of scheduling issues, so i hope that didnt ruin his playoff chances, he's my favorite for the tournament.

White-ra is in the last 16.
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For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
June 16 2011 05:05 GMT
#1012
On June 16 2011 13:59 ObliviousNA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 13:44 The Shiva wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:47 Heavenly wrote:
Lol at people saying Zenio is coinflippy. Did you even watch the games they played before, he straight 2-0'd IdrA in macro games, and in one he was extremely behind and still crushed IdrA. But I guess everything is a "build order loss", because IdrA is too awesome to lose any standard games.


lol that coin must have "Zenio" on both sides


hahaha, awesome!

Does anyone know if whitera made it through, last i heard he was on the brink.
He lost a few no-shows b/c of scheduling issues, so i hope that didnt ruin his playoff chances, he's my favorite for the tournament.


He's in the finals. He's playing select in round 1.
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bahl sofs tiil
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
June 16 2011 05:20 GMT
#1013
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
Chickenlegs
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden451 Posts
June 16 2011 05:25 GMT
#1014
5 Koreans out of 16 so far, that's pretty impressive considering the latency.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
June 16 2011 05:27 GMT
#1015
On June 16 2011 13:33 Sevenofnines wrote:
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On June 16 2011 13:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 16 2011 13:16 Sevenofnines wrote:
LOL at the coinflip excuses. It's not a coinflip when your opponent is the more predictable than the sun rising in the East. When Idra learns to vary his strats maybe he'll stop losing so often to "coinflips".

what? it was 100% a coinflip. if you think otherwise, you need to go study the ZvZ match up, then rewatch the game.


Wrong. It's only a coinflip when all possible openings are equally likely to be used by Idra. If you know the guy is doing the same thing every time, it's no longer a coinflip. It's similar to how if I know that some guy always plays Rock first in RPS, I'll be playing Paper. Of course, he can meta-game me by playing Scissor first, but Idra is either incapable of or unwilling to consider such a simple concept.

what? its not as if idra goes for infestor at the exact same time every game, therefore its a coin flip that he will be able to do enough damage before infestor come out.

why are you talking about openings? Openings have NOTHING to do with this....
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 16 2011 05:33 GMT
#1016
On June 16 2011 14:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 13:33 Sevenofnines wrote:
On June 16 2011 13:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 16 2011 13:16 Sevenofnines wrote:
LOL at the coinflip excuses. It's not a coinflip when your opponent is the more predictable than the sun rising in the East. When Idra learns to vary his strats maybe he'll stop losing so often to "coinflips".

what? it was 100% a coinflip. if you think otherwise, you need to go study the ZvZ match up, then rewatch the game.


Wrong. It's only a coinflip when all possible openings are equally likely to be used by Idra. If you know the guy is doing the same thing every time, it's no longer a coinflip. It's similar to how if I know that some guy always plays Rock first in RPS, I'll be playing Paper. Of course, he can meta-game me by playing Scissor first, but Idra is either incapable of or unwilling to consider such a simple concept.

what? its not as if idra goes for infestor at the exact same time every game, therefore its a coin flip that he will be able to do enough damage before infestor come out.

why are you talking about openings? Openings have NOTHING to do with this....

The timing and investment for infestors to become useful is longer than mutas. He couldn't have had a reasonable amount of infestors out with the proper upgrades at that time, with the amount of roaches he was making.

Again, this is like calling Jaedong vs Stork G2 Katrina a "coin flip" because Jaedong used a specific timing window.
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mitthrawn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany443 Posts
June 16 2011 05:37 GMT
#1017
Funny thing is, that NASL was the main reason for Idra to go back home. And now a Korean kicks him out. Oh the irony.
/o\
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 16 2011 05:39 GMT
#1018
On June 16 2011 14:20 bahl sofs tiil wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZc3VD214OU


The last stat is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
June 16 2011 05:43 GMT
#1019
On June 16 2011 14:25 Chickenlegs wrote:
5 Koreans out of 16 so far, that's pretty impressive considering the latency.


Agree wholeheartedly. Don't forget the horrific playing times too, doubt they are playing their best at 4am even if they prepared for it.
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
June 16 2011 05:47 GMT
#1020
On June 16 2011 14:37 mitthrawn wrote:
Funny thing is, that NASL was the main reason for Idra to go back home. And now a Korean kicks him out. Oh the irony.

Haha yeah, that must be frustrating TT
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