EPTIdra has the potential to be a world class player. Everyone has that potential. But until that potential is realized, he'll remain at the level of just having potential.
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
Idra has the potential to be a world class player. Everyone has that potential. But until that potential is realized, he'll remain at the level of just having potential. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
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woastMonstur
United States6 Posts
On June 16 2011 14:50 SilverLeagueElite wrote: People make too many excuses for Idra. Even as he was losing, the announcers were singing his praise while ignoring Zenio. Zenio is 6-0 against him. It might be hard for some to fathom but maybe Zenio is just better than Idra? Idra has the potential to be a world class player. Everyone has that potential. But until that potential is realized, he'll remain at the level of just having potential. Respectfully disagree with anyone having potential to be world class. I don't want to compare apples and oranges, but there are some people with talent and a knack for possibly being 'world class' at something. For example, BJ Penn is a talented superstar in MMA but has yet to reach that world class because his lack of dedication and practice. I'm not saying Idra is SC2's BJ Penn, but he certainly has yet to fill his potential, like BJ Penn. Me personally, no matter how hard I try at SC2 or MMA, I will never be either of them. That alone already gives them a huge step ahead. | ||
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LeaD
Canada464 Posts
On June 16 2011 14:54 woastMonstur wrote: Respectfully disagree with anyone having potential to be world class. I don't want to compare apples and oranges, but there are some people with talent and a knack for possibly being 'world class' at something. For example, BJ Penn is a talented superstar in MMA but has yet to reach that world class because his lack of dedication and practice. I'm not saying Idra is SC2's BJ Penn, but he certainly has yet to fill his potential, like BJ Penn. Me personally, no matter how hard I try at SC2 or MMA, I will never be either of them. That alone already gives them a huge step ahead. As much of a slacker as BJ Penn is and was, he fought at multiple weight classes, was a world BJJ champion within a few years of training, and was a two time light weight CHAMPION. Don't compare Idra to him, they`re not even close, BJ Penn is a legend in the sport and is a shoe in for the hall of fame, probably the greatest light weight of all time, even with how lazy his training was, now that's talent. Idra is nowhere near that talent level when comparing their positions in one anothers sport. There's plenty of players that are demonstrating potential in Starcraft 2 that are equivalent to Idra, with less physiological problems. You haven't gone through the type of training Idra has in Korea or played in those types of environments, or for that length of time, who knows? | ||
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Grantiere
United States129 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:40 iamahydralisk wrote: While I definitely agree that Idra needs to mix it up strategy wise, I think it's pretty silly to say his macro is only "decent." He has world class macro, and I firmly believe he has the potential to be the best player in the world if his strategies were up to par. Idra has great macro because he devotes more of his attention to it. It's not just his strategy that holds him back; it's his army control, his scouting, and his tactical decision-making. All of these seem to be by-products of his emphasis on macro; he just chooses to spend more of his available pool of attention / focus on building up and maintaining large forces. He has no more potential than he's already shown in his years playing bw and sc2; he's maxed out, and he knows it. Otherwise he'd be practicing more than 3 hours a day. | ||
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woastMonstur
United States6 Posts
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woastMonstur
United States6 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:06 LeaD wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 14:54 woastMonstur wrote: Respectfully disagree with anyone having potential to be world class. I don't want to compare apples and oranges, but there are some people with talent and a knack for possibly being 'world class' at something. For example, BJ Penn is a talented superstar in MMA but has yet to reach that world class because his lack of dedication and practice. I'm not saying Idra is SC2's BJ Penn, but he certainly has yet to fill his potential, like BJ Penn. Me personally, no matter how hard I try at SC2 or MMA, I will never be either of them. That alone already gives them a huge step ahead. As much of a slacker as BJ Penn is and was, he fought at multiple weight classes, was a world BJJ champion within a few years of training, and was a two time light weight CHAMPION. Don't compare Idra to him, they`re not even close, BJ Penn is a legend in the sport and is a shoe in for the hall of fame, probably the greatest light weight of all time, even with how lazy his training was, now that's talent. Idra is nowhere near that talent level when comparing their positions in one anothers sport. There's plenty of players that are demonstrating potential in Starcraft 2 that are equivalent to Idra, with less physiological problems. You haven't gone through the type of training Idra has in Korea or played in those types of environments, or for that length of time, who knows? And you totally just made my point. BJ Penn was a champion within a few years of training, and was one of the fastest ever to receive a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Is that not talent? I believe Idra has that kind of talent, as demonstrated by his BW days. But talent alone won't always get you there. 101 of any kind of competition. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
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GuiMontag
Australia79 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:15 woastMonstur wrote: And you totally just made my point. BJ Penn was a champion within a few years of training, and was one of the fastest ever to receive a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Is that not talent? I believe Idra has that kind of talent, as demonstrated by his BW days. But talent alone won't always get you there. 101 of any kind of competition. what about his bw days led you to this? | ||
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LeaD
Canada464 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:11 woastMonstur wrote: And IdrA isn't an SC2 legend in what way? Who gets more views than him? Who causes more controversy? Who's face is everywhere like his among the foreigner scene? I didn't compare them to denigrate BJ Penn. I would agree with everything you said about BJ Penn. But as accomplished as he is/was, no MMA fan can truly say he's filled his potential. The same goes for Idra. And that wasn't even my point. My point is that people like that have a natural gift and that people like myself, who despite how much SC2 we play/analyze/learn, will never get to that level. That's what I'm referring too, you can't compare BJ Penn level natural gift to Idra, Penn is practically one of a kind with his super dexterous legs, ridiculous chin, powerful hands, and that skin that doesn't seem to want to cut, ever. There's TONS of SC2 players coming out now with the level of talent Idra has or exceeding it, and we haven't had the top level players from Broodwar even come over. I understand you`re saying that Idra has untapped potential, but how so? He did the practice all the time routine in Korea, where did that get him? If you`re going to refer to his mental game, well that's apart of strategy and Starcraft 2, is it not? That's a talent certain players have, the ability to remain calm, not grow frustrated and keep their mental acuity in check. Who knows if you can't compete at his level, have you gone to Korea and practiced for years at 10-12 hours a day? Have you ingrained yourself in the pro level community for years? How is Idra an SC2 legend? Who cares who gets more views or controversy, what has he done that's legendary within his ability to play the game. Won a few tournaments? Bad mannerism and controversy does not make a legend within the game, he's a legendary jerk possibly, but an SC2 legend? He's just a good player that doesn't know how to keep his attitude in check and has created a persona that has made him famous (not legendary). | ||
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woastMonstur
United States6 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:25 woastMonstur wrote: He casually played the game for fun and eventually played it enough to turn pro. I guess you could attribute his BW foreigner rise to the fact that there wasn't as much foreigner competition. But I'm pretty sure it is agreed he was the best foreigner at BW. At a pretty young age and with scarce 'training'. Thats what led me to believe that. You are entitled to your own opinion on how successful he was at BW of course. Idra's rise in brood war was based on hard work as he himself would tell you. | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
zenio had a two-face's coin it's called skill. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:25 woastMonstur wrote: He casually played the game for fun and eventually played it enough to turn pro. I guess you could attribute his BW foreigner rise to the fact that there wasn't as much foreigner competition. But I'm pretty sure it is agreed he was the best foreigner at BW. At a pretty young age and with scarce 'training'. Thats what led me to believe that. You are entitled to your own opinion on how successful he was at BW of course. lol what? "scarce training"? IdrA became one of the best foreigner in BW because of his "Korean training" during his stay in korea. | ||
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
Congratulations to Zenio~ | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10382 Posts
Zenio, Idra's worst enemy? | ||
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nvrs
Greece481 Posts
On June 16 2011 12:05 udgnim wrote: Idra 0-6 versus Zenio that's some massive BO luck for Zenio rofl. It seems that beeing away from Korea has not done any good to Idra (from a skill perspective) and Zenio owning him 6-0 is a good indicator of this. Still if that's what he wanted to do you can't blame him but Korea is the place to be if you want to compete at the highest level. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:39 nvrs wrote: rofl. It seems that beeing away from Korea has not done any good to Idra (from a skill perspective) and Zenio owning him 6-0 is a good indicator of this. Still if that's what he wanted to do you can't blame him but Korea is the place to be if you want to compete at the highest level. And idra is the one with the latency advantage too lol. Anyway I doubt IdrA himself believes his 3-4 h practice will be enough to keep him on the top forever. The players that are winning at the moment like Thorzain and Naniwa practices way more than that and it shows in their results too. | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:39 nvrs wrote: rofl. It seems that beeing away from Korea has not done any good to Idra (from a skill perspective) and Zenio owning him 6-0 is a good indicator of this. Still if that's what he wanted to do you can't blame him but Korea is the place to be if you want to compete at the highest level. The first 0-2 of those is when he was still in Korea during the GSL, So it doesn't say that much. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
When MC, MVP, MKP, NesTea, Losira, Naniwa, etc lose people can accept that they got outplayed. But when IdrA losses, it is nothing but a coinflip, balance or some other bullshit that clearly has nothing to do with getting out played! Seriously, stop making excuses for him, he got outplayed, give it a rest. | ||
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