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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:40 Mailing wrote: Besides the obvious hyperbole you used to be snide, a lot of other pro player share this sentiment. Do you not hear the sadness in their voices when reminiscing about brood war? I doubt nestea/losira think like this | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
so how was what idra did not risky when he got COMPLETELY crushed by zenio's build the only thing more two sided than those standards is the coin zenio uses to coinflip | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
GZ to Zenio And poor Mana meet another zerg you really have to practise against zerg Mana its abit funny you lose every time | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:40 Mailing wrote: Besides the obvious hyperbole you used to be snide, a lot of other pro player share this sentiment. Do you not hear the sadness in their voices when reminiscing about brood war? Not at all actually. I've only ever publicly heard it from Idra. If you want to make the claim that 'a lot of pro players think this,' then back it up with sources. | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:59 Ocedic wrote: Not at all actually. I've only ever publicly heard it from Idra. If you want to make the claim that 'a lot of pro players think this,' then back it up with sources. What it comes down to is fans defending idra through anything. I think they need to accept that idra isn't the best zerg in the world. And stop making excuses for him when he loses. And this isn't me hating on idra I been a fan of idra long before most of these guys back when Idra played Zerg in bw. But over the years its been much of the same. Atleast in bw he recognized his weakness for a while and just trained pretty hard to overcome it. But in SC2 he just blames everything on the game. He will never improve unless he starts blaming himself for his losses. As far as the GGing i give up on that, he seems like he will never change his mind on it so might as well just accept it. | ||
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Zombie_Velociraptor
274 Posts
Also, Idra vs Zenio went pretty much as expected, lol. Too bad all the fanboy whine completely overshadowed the other, arguably better, matches of the day. Give me a break, the only responsibility he has to his fans and the tournament is to try to win his games, and not a single person can say he doesn't do that. Hi, MLG. Couldn't help myself, sorry...  | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On June 16 2011 17:16 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: What it comes down to is fans defending idra through anything. I think they need to accept that idra isn't the best zerg in the world. And stop making excuses for him when he loses. And this isn't me hating on idra I been a fan of idra long before most of these guys back when Idra played Zerg in bw. But over the years its been much of the same. Atleast in bw he recognized his weakness for a while and just trained pretty hard to overcome it. But in SC2 he just blames everything on the game. He will never improve unless he starts blaming himself for his losses. As far as the GGing i give up on that, he seems like he will never change his mind on it so might as well just accept it. On inside the game after MLG he had made a promise to incontrol and EG that he would try to stick it out more rather than just leave. Look at zenio in game 2 against dde, he was in the same position if not worse then idra vs boxer, he swooped in at the very last moment took out all the marines and went on to win the game moments later. Idra has thrown away so many games by just gg'ing early, its so frusterating (at least it used to be) im not a fan of his anymore so although it still annoys me a bit im not affected by it. I think its a liittle bit ridiculous when people try to defend him for leaving games early and such, he is almost completely wrong in all those situations, if he wants to leave thats his perogative but no one can say that its the right move on his part if he had the mental stamina, with his skill , he probably could have won at least 1/4 of those games hes given up early on (im not talking about the ones with no hope, im talking about the ones where he feels hes slightly behind and just leaves out of rage) Ive turned from an idra fan, to anti idra in the past few months, i just cant stand his terrible attitude its hard to beleive hes only 2 years younger than me, he acts like hes 16 still. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
The Idra fanboyism surpises me every time. I'm actually happy zenio won, he is severly underrated in imo. | ||
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DoubleB
Germany870 Posts
It's not like I am addicted to him (lol) but I just like it to see Nonkoreans in the tops. Just because I can identifiy myself more with "American/European pro players scene" : ) | ||
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
On June 16 2011 17:44 cheesemaster wrote: Ive turned from an idra fan, to anti idra in the past few months, i just cant stand his terrible attitude its hard to beleive hes only 2 years younger than me, he acts like hes 16 still. It's because he never went through the same socialization as everyone else at the same age. People at this age go through college, get a job, build relationships and learn a few more things about life. They learn more about their own weaknesses and strengths, and maybe figure out some ways to grow into better people. Idra has done none of this as a side effect of not going to college, of traveling to a place where he is surrounded by people that he can't even talk with, and of course playing/thinking about a game all the time. -- Let me make one statement though, you (directed generally) don't change how you behave for others, you change it for yourself. If you are happy with yourself, maybe wrongly, and what you are, then so be it. But if who you have been has been a poison to yourself, preventing yourself from achieving what you want to achieve, and living life to its fullest, then that is why you should change your ways. | ||
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Dumboprime
985 Posts
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On June 16 2011 17:50 captainwaffles wrote: I don't have the HD pass for NASL and I couldn't make out what Idra said in the beginning. What did Idra say in game 2? Zenio: Where's the GG? IdrA: Earn it. Took me 5 seconds to search for it... And hell yeah Zenio! :D | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On June 16 2011 17:50 captainwaffles wrote: I don't have the HD pass for NASL and I couldn't make out what Idra said in the beginning. What did Idra say in game 2? Zenio: Where's the gg idra: Earn it. | ||
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epik151
312 Posts
IdrA doing well for ESPORTS by continuing his heel responsibilities. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On June 16 2011 17:51 Chriscras wrote: So does this mean if IdrA was still in the GSL he might be back in Code A now? I believe if he was still participating in GSL he would remain code S. Since he would be consistently practicing on the Korean ladder. He said it himself in the previous week of when he played Sen in the NASL. He was worried about playing him because Sen had the advantage of playing on the Korean server and seeing how the zvz metagame is working out there. The same thing is true with Zenio. People suggest that he should practice more, but watching him stream ladder games doesn't seem like much practice for him. No offense to whoever his practice partners might be, but they aren't anywhere near the same level as Zenio. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
lol loving it by zenio  Biggest opponent of Idra is himself. He is talented just needs a proper attitude. Untill that happens I'm looking forward to see him loose. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:57 Dommk wrote: I love it when ever IdrA losses people always feel compelled to make excuses for him. When MC, MVP, MKP, NesTea, Losira, Naniwa, etc lose people can accept that they got outplayed. But when IdrA losses, it is nothing but a coinflip, balance or some other bullshit that clearly has nothing to do with getting out played! Seriously, stop making excuses for him, he got outplayed, give it a rest. You know, I never thought about this. When Polt beat Losira, the excuse was Losira played bad. When Rain (Rain!) beat Nestea, the excuse was he cheesed him. When Top did it in the SuperTourny, the excuse was cheese again. Very few people brought balance to those discussions. I guess some people raged about balance when MC dismantled July. But no one (credible) claimed imbalance when Thorzain took down MC. Also when Huk lost to Inca in the up/downs then group stages, no one blamed it on how coin-flippy PvP is, but on the fact that Inca is a PvP God. Last point, cuz I can't help myself. If ZvZ is so coinflippy, then why is TheWind winless on televised ZvZ =p (started from before he became a coach). On June 16 2011 17:52 naventus wrote: It's because he never went through the same socialization as everyone else at the same age. People at this age go through college, get a job, build relationships and learn a few more things about life. They learn more about their own weaknesses and strengths, and maybe figure out some ways to grow into better people. Idra has done none of this as a side effect of not going to college, of traveling to a place where he is surrounded by people that he can't even talk with, and of course playing/thinking about a game all the time. I think this is being unfair to high school graduates. It's not like professional tennis players (virtually all of whom skipped college and in some cases high school) rage and cuss each other out after each loss. Some people have different mental make-ups. I think it's as simple as that. Boxer didn't go to college either and their manner couldn't be more different. For some more comparisons: Idra is *3 years older* than Losira and just a year younger than MMA. He's also older than Naniwa, who's managed to turn his reputation around. Not to mention Tyler had a pretty hot-headed reputation in BW and look how far removed from it he is (granted Tyler is a bit older than Idra, so they could just be at different points in their life). | ||
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