EPT[NASL] Playoffs Day 1 - Page 53
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PeZuY
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GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:13 PeZuY wrote: As much as respect I have to idrA (lol yes I respect him as a esport player and who also promotes it), I hate when he doesn't accept his losses. But still pretty GGs in my eyes, zenio just outplayed him, it happens to everyone;o I think it is impossible to say he didn't accept the loss just because he didn't GG. Idra has been known to quit without a GG and then when asked about the game, admit that he made a mistake and lost because of it. It was probably just out of frustration. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4740 Posts
 if only he would be as good In PvZ as he is in PvP and PvT. Gratz to Zenio. | ||
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cybiz
Poland194 Posts
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:32 xuanzue wrote: the probability to win 6-0 in a coinflip is 1.5%. zenio had a two-face's coin it's called skill. Don't bother, discussing with idra fans is pointless: If idra wins its because of his pure skills/monster macro domination. If he loses it's because the game is unbalanced, flawed, cheesy, protoss/terran oriented, coin flip, etc. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:32 xuanzue wrote: the probability to win 6-0 in a coinflip is 1.5%. zenio had a two-face's coin it's called skill. I like your style sir. | ||
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jambam
United States324 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:09 Grantiere wrote: Idra has great macro because he devotes more of his attention to it. It's not just his strategy that holds him back; it's his army control, his scouting, and his tactical decision-making. All of these seem to be by-products of his emphasis on macro; he just chooses to spend more of his available pool of attention / focus on building up and maintaining large forces. He has no more potential than he's already shown in his years playing bw and sc2; he's maxed out, and he knows it. Otherwise he'd be practicing more than 3 hours a day. This is flat out wrong. here's why Idra's scouting is perhaps the best of any zergs. his play is consistently noted for expert placement of overlords and scouting. If the game makes it midway, chances are Idra knows what's up. His army control is top notch, especially early game. He holds off early T cheese with minimal zerglings. His positioning is also especially good when he moves to engage. What the hell is this concept of a limited pool of attention? Watch him play when he streams. He's microing the entire time hes battling. It's not like he a-moves then goes back to macroing. You logic feels really good and seems to make sense, but its just wrong. It's what you would expect to be true, but it's not. Overall Idra is one of the best players in the world. Almost all of his recent loses have been due to build order losses. | ||
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minru
United States78 Posts
On June 16 2011 15:11 woastMonstur wrote: And IdrA isn't an SC2 legend in what way? Who gets more views than him? Who causes more controversy? Who's face is everywhere like his among the foreigner scene? I didn't compare them to denigrate BJ Penn. I would agree with everything you said about BJ Penn. But as accomplished as he is/was, no MMA fan can truly say he's filled his potential. The same goes for Idra. And that wasn't even my point. My point is that people like that have a natural gift and that people like myself, who despite how much SC2 we play/analyze/learn, will never get to that level. Lol really? SC2 legend? It's ridiculous for you to even think there's a SC2 legend at this point of the game(game has been out for less than a year). BJ Penn have been fighting for 10+ years while IdrA been playing SC2 for a year or so. I don't think anyone is a SC2 legend right now, including IdrA. | ||
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89andy
Canada192 Posts
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jambam
United States324 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:28 minru wrote: Lol really? SC2 legend? It's ridiculous for you to even think there's a SC2 legend at this point of the game(game has been out for less than a year). BJ Penn have been fighting for 10+ years while IdrA been playing SC2 for a year or so. I don't think anyone is a SC2 legend right now, including IdrA. The only thing that's ridiculous is arguing over it. It's just semantics and is based on opinion. | ||
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Ventor
United States336 Posts
 Everyone posting their opinions like they're facts makes me a sad panda. Then again... the average intelligence of a human is not very high. So I suppose I should lower my standards. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Or show me the coin Nestea uses. Last 3 games Zenio vs IdrA is 6-0 now. IdrA said that he was outplayed the previous series, because he didn't follow the infestor metagame. Second game this series he played thinking on that metagame but got outsmarted by an awesome timing. | ||
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minru
United States78 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:24 jambam wrote: This is flat out wrong. here's why Idra's scouting is perhaps the best of any zergs. his play is consistently noted for expert placement of overlords and scouting. If the game makes it midway, chances are Idra knows what's up. His army control is top notch, especially early game. He holds off early T cheese with minimal zerglings. His positioning is also especially good when he moves to engage. What the hell is this concept of a limited pool of attention? Watch him play when he streams. He's microing the entire time hes battling. It's not like he a-moves then goes back to macroing. You logic feels really good and seems to make sense, but its just wrong. It's what you would expect to be true, but it's not. Overall Idra is one of the best players in the world. Almost all of his recent loses have been due to build order losses. Hahaha, okay dude. Go watch more IdrA streams, I am sure you like watching him owning up that NA Ladder; where it really matters. | ||
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jambam
United States324 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:31 Ventor wrote: Post in this thread make my head hurt. Everyone posting their opinions like they're facts makes me a sad panda. Then again... the average intelligence of a human is not very high. So I suppose I should lower my standards. Thanks for contributing.... | ||
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Officedrone
Canada70 Posts
ZvP - "Zerg isn't supposed to beat Protoss", and "Against Protoss, you're always 1 click away from losing" ZvZ - It's a coinflip no matter what you do ZvT - As long as Terran doesn't "cheese" I win. With cheese meaning "doesn't do any pressure for 15-20 min" | ||
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sc2guy
291 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:31 Ventor wrote: Post in this thread make my head hurt. Everyone posting their opinions like they're facts makes me a sad panda. Then again... the average intelligence of a human is not very high. So I suppose I should lower my standards. You make me a sad panda too. | ||
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jambam
United States324 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:32 minru wrote: Hahaha, okay dude. Go watch more IdrA streams, I am sure you like watching him owning up that NA Ladder; where it really matters. You responded to my arguments with an Ad hominem. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:34 Officedrone wrote: According to IdrA: ZvP - "Zerg isn't supposed to beat Protoss", and "Against Protoss, you're always 1 click away from losing" ZvZ - It's a coinflip no matter what you do ZvT - As long as Terran doesn't "cheese" I win. With cheese meaning "doesn't do any pressure for 15-20 min" Besides the obvious hyperbole you used to be snide, a lot of other pro player share this sentiment. Do you not hear the sadness in their voices when reminiscing about brood war? | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Actually I find a lot of people not able to accept those players you mentioned got outplayed when they lose too. Where do people get the 3 hours of practice thing from Idra? I saw his IPL interview and he said recently he's been lightening his schedule a little which he feels has helped him get re-motivated and not be so tired. Occasionally he does make huge a-move blunders near the end game by trying to plow through a choke. More likely out of frustration though, so that can't be attributed to poor army control at all. Excuse me if I missed a satirical post. Apparently, you can make blunders out of frustration, but... wait -- the blunders don't count as bad control at all? Huh? | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:31 Ventor wrote: Post in this thread make my head hurt. Everyone posting their opinions like they're facts makes me a sad panda. Then again... the average intelligence of a human is not very high. So I suppose I should lower my standards. Get used to it. T_T Zenio seems to be inside of IdrAs head btw. Tobad he didnt advance, such is life though. | ||
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