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On June 13 2011 13:53 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:51 Karthane wrote:On June 13 2011 13:49 Two_DoWn wrote:On June 13 2011 13:46 motbob wrote:
TT1 says Idra doesn't deserve anything he has, but of course he doesn't know what he's talking about. Idra practiced 12 hours a day for two years to get to the level of top foreigner in BW, and that effort also paid off by making him the top foreigner in SC2 when it came out. He still hasn't relinquished that title. Ok, thats a bit of a stretch. Jinro has been more successful in Korea, and I can think of several players I would take over Idra in a BoX, Naniwa/Thorzain/ect. Idra is top tier. But he is by no means the dominant foreigner or even the undisputed best foreigner. He said "top foreigner in sc2 when it came out" He said "still hasn't relinquished that title" Hate to break it to you, but he has relinquished that title.
Well it's certainly debatable, and his recent results have been pretty strong.
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TT1 trolling you all is hilarious.
Also Idra not GGing is just bad man. Respect the goddamn Emperor.
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On June 13 2011 13:53 Asshat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:44 Whole wrote:On June 13 2011 13:44 rdj107 wrote:On June 13 2011 13:41 Mycl wrote:On June 13 2011 13:39 TT1 wrote:On June 13 2011 13:37 NinMarth wrote:i don't really know why everyone is so upset about no gg from idra. i don't think boxer cares if idra ggs or not... On June 13 2011 13:31 TT1 wrote:On June 13 2011 13:29 motbob wrote:
2-day bans are about to be handed out like candy. Get ready. ill be the 1st to go then, fuck u idra fanboys LOL bande de sale morveux denculer de merde everytime i see a post from you, i wonder how you are not perma banned -.- sorry dude someone needs to shit in that kids mouth, i will happily fufill that role and tarnish my already shit filled image even more You were both at MLG, why not then? You've thrown the gauntlet lets see it done TT1. You crazy? TT1 getting in a physical confrontation? Nahhhhh, online is safer. ya idra has been working out. no wonder he is scared. He has been? Still looks like a twig to me.
Go compare a GSL Open Interview to an MLG Columbus interview.
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Fanboys are critical for any competition. Players/teams having devoted fans are what makes sports/ESPORTS great. You gotta have the emotion and blind faith that what you support is the best.
But, the simple fact is: Idra got outplayed twice by BoxeR. BoxeR did nothing wrong in doing everything he could to win, as that's what he is supposed to do. Idra unsurprisingly was a little rude in not giving a gg to BoxeR; who arguably deserves more respect than anyone in the ESPORTS world.
Idra was rude. Everyone knows that, but his fans will never agree. We have a genuine sporting competition environment. How exciting.
Next Stop: Idra is a total jackass/white knight bar fights 
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On June 13 2011 13:54 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:52 RPR_Tempest wrote:On June 13 2011 13:52 Defacer wrote:On June 13 2011 13:50 Sc1pio wrote:On June 13 2011 13:49 Defacer wrote:On June 13 2011 13:46 KiWiKaKi wrote:
wow idra no gg the emperor . what a douche Really, you too Kiwi? I thought IdrA not gg'ing was pretty standard. I'm not sure what is more annoying, IdrA not gg'ing or his competitors/frienemies pretending to be surprised. It's not "IdrA not gging" people are mad about, it's "IdrA not gging the man who built StarCraft as an eSport". Actually it's neither. Kiwikaki and TT1 are just looking for a cheap excuse to kick a guy when he's down. I guess Kiwi is still smarting from having his ass handed to him at the IPL finals. Oh, SNAP! Actually, you're wrong. actually you are wrong, kiwi lost, it doesnt matter if kiwi won what? 2 of the games total? in that tourney im pretty sure it was soemthing like 6-2 idra over kiwi
I meant you're wrong about KiWiKaKi apparently hating on IdrA because he lost against him in IPL. That's OBVIOUSLY why, right?
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On June 13 2011 13:50 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:46 IzieBoy wrote:On June 13 2011 13:44 DivinO wrote:On June 13 2011 13:42 Traven wrote:On June 13 2011 13:38 cheesemaster wrote:On June 13 2011 13:35 DivinO wrote:On June 13 2011 13:34 Traven wrote:
This thread has taken a turn for the worse. Idra doesn't gg unless it is in fact a good game to play. It is his own right to do and say what he does in a game and he should not be bashed for his decision on a live report thread. I must politely disagree with you on that. Traditionally the "gg" (I speak for BW as well as SC2) is a pillar of StarCraft manner, and if he deviates from it the community should have a right to say something about it. Maybe not do anything about it, but say something. Agreed, its not like anyone thinks that a game they lost is a good game to play for the most part (at least someone like idra who is usually quite bitter about losing) Also the fact that he GG'd everyone else in the NASL (except maybe zenio didnt see those) and then doesnt GG boxer is pretty disrespectful, why is he singling out boxer to be bad mannered too. Maybe he isn't trying to BM Boxer. Boxer did a double proxy barracks in both games. Anyone would have a bad taste in their mouths after that. There are games that you simply just don't say GG to after you lose. I believe everyone has left a game once without saying GG because of the play of the other player. Thanks for the comment and thanks for being reasonable. I agree with you there, of course he wasn't trying to BM BoxeR. I don't think IdrA is innately malicious toward anyone he BM's. But not GGing toward someone who deserves a great deal of respect is a bit off-putting. so is unsolicited pandering... if it's not a good game, why should he say it is. Because gg'ing doesn't literally mean you're saying its a good game, its just custom to show sportsmanship. Koreans come from a BW tradition where out of tens of thousands of progames there has ALWAYS been a gg or ww or some variation of it. Even in sc2 IdrA is the only top pro to regularly not gg. He is a longtime sc2/bw pro and he knows its significance. And he definitely knows the significance of not gg'ing to the person responsible for professional starcraft.
This is all true, and I found it rude of Idra not to gg, but I also found it typical and laughable, which as a viewer, I'm sort of okay with. But respect BoxeR please Idra. You can have your little moments with Zeno and Cruncher or TT1, but what's BoxeR ever done besides increase your popularity with the "Grack" thing?
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On June 13 2011 13:54 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:52 RPR_Tempest wrote:On June 13 2011 13:52 Defacer wrote:On June 13 2011 13:50 Sc1pio wrote:On June 13 2011 13:49 Defacer wrote:On June 13 2011 13:46 KiWiKaKi wrote:
wow idra no gg the emperor . what a douche Really, you too Kiwi? I thought IdrA not gg'ing was pretty standard. I'm not sure what is more annoying, IdrA not gg'ing or his competitors/frienemies pretending to be surprised. It's not "IdrA not gging" people are mad about, it's "IdrA not gging the man who built StarCraft as an eSport". Actually it's neither. Kiwikaki and TT1 are just looking for a cheap excuse to kick a guy when he's down. I guess Kiwi is still smarting from having his ass handed to him at the IPL finals. Oh, SNAP! Actually, you're wrong. actually you are wrong, kiwi lost, it doesnt matter if kiwi won what? 2 of the games total? in that tourney im pretty sure it was soemthing like 6-2 idra over kiwi
pretty sure he's saying you're wrong because kiwi didn't just say that because he's bitter about his loss... wooshhh
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On June 13 2011 13:53 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:44 Nakas wrote:
Both of those Boxer vs Idra games were pretty piss poor, neither I would consider even close to a "good game".
Game 1 was just a silly 2-rax that anyone at diamond level or above can easily do, and will take games off even grandmaster players.
Game 2 was over the moment they spawned in vertical positions. A terran 2-base push through that short and narrow path is pretty much unbeatable. It's just like those pathways on the top and bottom of the old Shakuras map (the ones that were removed because they were imbalanced), but even shorter and quicker to push though. If NASL uses this map again next season, they really should to remove vertical spawns from it, or remove the passage like they did with Shakuras. Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.
This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. In Korean starcraft, a gg is the equivalent of a handshake. To not gg after a match is the same as spitting on someone as they extend their hand to shake yours or screaming obscenities at them after you lose.
Idra was a part of the Korean scene for years. He knows the culture. He has no excuse.
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well guys i really dont understand you even boxer care less than you about that no gg thingy (its absolutely childish and disrespectful but everyone knows what is coming anyways)
and you for the fanboys! why raging pll dont like idra, instead of idra himself giving you 2 lousy games.
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On June 13 2011 13:52 edwahn wrote:
I'm no longer even sure how one becomes a fanboy of a guy like IdrA. Are these the kind of people who watch day time soap opera and are totally gripped by its compelling drama?
It's fine to defend his play-style and skills as he is obviously a skilled player, but what justifies defending his bad manner, claiming manner is not compulsary? Is it not the proper behaviour for sportsmen to shake the hands of their competitor after the match, regardless of the results?
The "gg" is the equivalent of the handshake, and while it may not be compulsary, it's understandable that it becomes the point of discussion if a player - losing or otherwise - refuses it. Making patronising comments about other people making a big deal about this only serves to show your true colour as a rabid Idra fanboy.
So you insult the people that you think are so inflammatory and think you have some kind of ethical or moral high ground here?
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On June 13 2011 13:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:50 sc14s wrote:On June 13 2011 13:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 13 2011 13:43 sc14s wrote:On June 13 2011 13:40 Zanno wrote:On June 13 2011 13:35 Whole wrote:On June 13 2011 13:35 jyLee wrote:
So while others are busy trying to build up the esports scene, Idra is doing his best to tear it down with his shitty attitude and lack of sportsmanship. Its really sad because I was always one of the people who would defend the gracken when he started his zerg imba whining or when he would bm on ladder. Its one thing to bm and troll on the internet for fun. You dont comport yourself like that in a tournament and disrespect the sponsors of the tournament and the other competitors. You especially DO NOT FUCK WITH BOXER. Greg I hope you enjoy continuing to lose games and the rest of that quickly receding hairline. you might want to read this thread. this is a different issue than the stuff that thread is trolling on if you read milkis' blog on working for MLG as a translator a lot of the korean players have the perspective that the entire NA scene acts like idra the NA scene will never take off until the Korean scene takes us seriously for various reasons which is why you see gratuitous amounts of manner from players like incontrol i'm fairly certain it matters not one whit what the korean netizens think of us, and wont affect e-sports in any way in the foreign side. The scene will do well or fail for other more important and less obvious reasons you ever stop to think about more than just "the esports scene" and about the reputation of the country a player represents? uhm, idra isnt our representative for other countries, hes not in the olympics, he plays a video game for a living that doesn't get respect from 99% of the population anywhere. I would say there are many much more widespread and known people than idra that could fill that roll.. idk say perhaps Obama, or any one of our ambassadors? or people in sports with a fanbase of many millions? or our troops when not in the states? lol what? so if a person from another country comes to live and compete in yours they aren't a representative? jesus christ what are you thinking here... the koreans came to mlg, thought that a lot of americans would be bm, and then milkis corrected them saying it was only idra
you are pretty delusional sir if you think milkis corrected that ALL by himself, you know not the awesome MLG that they just happened to be at or anything with fans cheering their hearts out for the koreans and even chanting their names at multiple times.
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There are actual people who like and support Idra? lmfao
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On June 13 2011 13:55 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:54 sc14s wrote:On June 13 2011 13:52 RPR_Tempest wrote:On June 13 2011 13:52 Defacer wrote:On June 13 2011 13:50 Sc1pio wrote:On June 13 2011 13:49 Defacer wrote:On June 13 2011 13:46 KiWiKaKi wrote:
wow idra no gg the emperor . what a douche Really, you too Kiwi? I thought IdrA not gg'ing was pretty standard. I'm not sure what is more annoying, IdrA not gg'ing or his competitors/frienemies pretending to be surprised. It's not "IdrA not gging" people are mad about, it's "IdrA not gging the man who built StarCraft as an eSport". Actually it's neither. Kiwikaki and TT1 are just looking for a cheap excuse to kick a guy when he's down. I guess Kiwi is still smarting from having his ass handed to him at the IPL finals. Oh, SNAP! Actually, you're wrong. actually you are wrong, kiwi lost, it doesnt matter if kiwi won what? 2 of the games total? in that tourney im pretty sure it was soemthing like 6-2 idra over kiwi I meant you're wrong about KiWiKaKi apparently hating on IdrA because he lost against him in IPL. That's OBVIOUSLY why, right?
not the same guy smarty pants
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On June 13 2011 13:55 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:53 FighterHayabusa wrote:On June 13 2011 13:44 Nakas wrote:
Both of those Boxer vs Idra games were pretty piss poor, neither I would consider even close to a "good game".
Game 1 was just a silly 2-rax that anyone at diamond level or above can easily do, and will take games off even grandmaster players.
Game 2 was over the moment they spawned in vertical positions. A terran 2-base push through that short and narrow path is pretty much unbeatable. It's just like those pathways on the top and bottom of the old Shakuras map (the ones that were removed because they were imbalanced), but even shorter and quicker to push though. If NASL uses this map again next season, they really should to remove vertical spawns from it, or remove the passage like they did with Shakuras. Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about. This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. In Korean starcraft, a gg is the equivalent of a handshake. To not gg after a match is the same as spitting on someone as they extend their hand to shake yours or screaming obscenities at them after you lose. Idra was a part of the Korean scene for years. He knows the culture. He has no excuse.
Idra has already stated he doesn't give shit about the korean culture and actually resents a lot of it.
Also, it's a joke that TT1 can post shit like that and not be banned.
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On June 13 2011 13:46 motbob wrote:
TT1 says Idra doesn't deserve anything he has, but of course he doesn't know what he's talking about. Idra practiced 12 hours a day for two years to get to the level of top foreigner in BW, and that effort also paid off by making him the top foreigner in SC2 when it came out. He still hasn't relinquished that title.
u still dont know the half of it ^^
if i was spineless ratboy idra u would have tho
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On June 13 2011 13:55 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:53 FighterHayabusa wrote:On June 13 2011 13:44 Nakas wrote:
Both of those Boxer vs Idra games were pretty piss poor, neither I would consider even close to a "good game".
Game 1 was just a silly 2-rax that anyone at diamond level or above can easily do, and will take games off even grandmaster players.
Game 2 was over the moment they spawned in vertical positions. A terran 2-base push through that short and narrow path is pretty much unbeatable. It's just like those pathways on the top and bottom of the old Shakuras map (the ones that were removed because they were imbalanced), but even shorter and quicker to push though. If NASL uses this map again next season, they really should to remove vertical spawns from it, or remove the passage like they did with Shakuras. Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about. This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. In Korean starcraft, a gg is the equivalent of a handshake. To not gg after a match is the same as spitting on someone as they extend their hand to shake yours or screaming obscenities at them after you lose. Idra was a part of the Korean scene for years. He knows the culture. He has no excuse.
Imagine a baseball game. An opponent pitcher goes out and tries to hit one of your players with the ball intentionally. What is expected? The next time you are up to pitch, you will most likely try to hit one of the opposing teams batters. Boxer cheese, Idra didn't GG. Emperor or not, Idra can get ticked if he wants.
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On June 13 2011 13:50 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:48 imkp wrote:On June 13 2011 13:45 IzieBoy wrote:On June 13 2011 13:42 Defacer wrote:On June 13 2011 13:41 hopoo wrote:Poll: Which is more annoying?Idra fanboys (119) 72% People who harass idra fanboys (47) 28% 166 total votes Your vote: Which is more annoying? (Vote): Idra fanboys
(Vote): People who harass idra fanboys
You forgot to add Option 3: TT1 wanting to shit in IdrA's mouth. u do realize that most of idra's fans actually are quite normal... it's just that for every reaction there's an equal and opposite reaction... we won't allow people's dirty laundry thrown on idra Actually no. Idra fanboys are by far the most annoying thing about this site. You wouldn't notice Idra fans unless the Anti-fans come out and start swinging. If no one went on about the GG thing or TT1 trying to be relevant this thread would've fizzled out after the broadcast.
It probably would have still degenerated into a zerg UP / Boxer cheesy shitfest. All idra threads end up on some parallel universe, even the fanclub / idra gf threads. Hell, even threads that have nothing to to with him somehow end up being about him. His presence is like that dark blob in 5th Element - ever expanding, all-devouring.
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On June 13 2011 13:57 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 13 2011 13:50 sc14s wrote:On June 13 2011 13:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On June 13 2011 13:43 sc14s wrote:On June 13 2011 13:40 Zanno wrote:On June 13 2011 13:35 Whole wrote:On June 13 2011 13:35 jyLee wrote:
So while others are busy trying to build up the esports scene, Idra is doing his best to tear it down with his shitty attitude and lack of sportsmanship. Its really sad because I was always one of the people who would defend the gracken when he started his zerg imba whining or when he would bm on ladder. Its one thing to bm and troll on the internet for fun. You dont comport yourself like that in a tournament and disrespect the sponsors of the tournament and the other competitors. You especially DO NOT FUCK WITH BOXER. Greg I hope you enjoy continuing to lose games and the rest of that quickly receding hairline. you might want to read this thread. this is a different issue than the stuff that thread is trolling on if you read milkis' blog on working for MLG as a translator a lot of the korean players have the perspective that the entire NA scene acts like idra the NA scene will never take off until the Korean scene takes us seriously for various reasons which is why you see gratuitous amounts of manner from players like incontrol i'm fairly certain it matters not one whit what the korean netizens think of us, and wont affect e-sports in any way in the foreign side. The scene will do well or fail for other more important and less obvious reasons you ever stop to think about more than just "the esports scene" and about the reputation of the country a player represents? uhm, idra isnt our representative for other countries, hes not in the olympics, he plays a video game for a living that doesn't get respect from 99% of the population anywhere. I would say there are many much more widespread and known people than idra that could fill that roll.. idk say perhaps Obama, or any one of our ambassadors? or people in sports with a fanbase of many millions? or our troops when not in the states? lol what? so if a person from another country comes to live and compete in yours they aren't a representative? jesus christ what are you thinking here... the koreans came to mlg, thought that a lot of americans would be bm, and then milkis corrected them saying it was only idra you are pretty delusional sir if you think milkis corrected that ALL by himself, you know not the awesome MLG that they just happened to be at or anything with fans cheering their hearts out for the koreans and even chanting their names at multiple times.
I'm sure they were reaffirmed throughout the MLG, but this was the initial thought when they came here which was the point of my post, yes.
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TT1 is upset that idra is better looking and has more women then him
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User was warned for this post
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On June 13 2011 13:58 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 13:55 Two_DoWn wrote:On June 13 2011 13:53 FighterHayabusa wrote:On June 13 2011 13:44 Nakas wrote:
Both of those Boxer vs Idra games were pretty piss poor, neither I would consider even close to a "good game".
Game 1 was just a silly 2-rax that anyone at diamond level or above can easily do, and will take games off even grandmaster players.
Game 2 was over the moment they spawned in vertical positions. A terran 2-base push through that short and narrow path is pretty much unbeatable. It's just like those pathways on the top and bottom of the old Shakuras map (the ones that were removed because they were imbalanced), but even shorter and quicker to push though. If NASL uses this map again next season, they really should to remove vertical spawns from it, or remove the passage like they did with Shakuras. Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about. This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. In Korean starcraft, a gg is the equivalent of a handshake. To not gg after a match is the same as spitting on someone as they extend their hand to shake yours or screaming obscenities at them after you lose. Idra was a part of the Korean scene for years. He knows the culture. He has no excuse. Idra has already stated he doesn't give shit about the korean culture and actually resents a lot of it. Also, it's a joke that TT1 can post shit like that and not be banned.
I second that, hes just as bad as idra on the forums. seems to me he needs some big time out time 
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