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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
June 13 2011 05:00 GMT
#1721
Just to be clear: Are there people who actually believe that Idra isn't trying to send a message by not GGing?
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
June 13 2011 05:00 GMT
#1722
On June 13 2011 13:58 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:46 motbob wrote:
TT1 says Idra doesn't deserve anything he has, but of course he doesn't know what he's talking about. Idra practiced 12 hours a day for two years to get to the level of top foreigner in BW, and that effort also paid off by making him the top foreigner in SC2 when it came out. He still hasn't relinquished that title.


u still dont know the half of it ^^
if i was spineless ratboy idra u would have tho



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Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
June 13 2011 05:00 GMT
#1723
Gretrop, continue to cast as you always have. Having cheerful people casting always keeps me coming back for more!
I post only when my brain works.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
June 13 2011 05:00 GMT
#1724
TT1 is trolling because IdrA got a hot Canadian bitch and he didn't.

Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 13 2011 05:01 GMT
#1725
On June 13 2011 13:58 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:57 sc14s wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:50 sc14s wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:43 sc14s wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:40 Zanno wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:35 Whole wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:35 jyLee wrote:
So while others are busy trying to build up the esports scene, Idra is doing his best to tear it down with his shitty attitude and lack of sportsmanship. Its really sad because I was always one of the people who would defend the gracken when he started his zerg imba whining or when he would bm on ladder. Its one thing to bm and troll on the internet for fun. You dont comport yourself like that in a tournament and disrespect the sponsors of the tournament and the other competitors. You especially DO NOT FUCK WITH BOXER. Greg I hope you enjoy continuing to lose games and the rest of that quickly receding hairline.


you might want to read this thread.
this is a different issue than the stuff that thread is trolling on

if you read milkis' blog on working for MLG as a translator a lot of the korean players have the perspective that the entire NA scene acts like idra

the NA scene will never take off until the Korean scene takes us seriously for various reasons which is why you see gratuitous amounts of manner from players like incontrol

i'm fairly certain it matters not one whit what the korean netizens think of us, and wont affect e-sports in any way in the foreign side. The scene will do well or fail for other more important and less obvious reasons


you ever stop to think about more than just "the esports scene" and about the reputation of the country a player represents?

uhm, idra isnt our representative for other countries, hes not in the olympics, he plays a video game for a living that doesn't get respect from 99% of the population anywhere. I would say there are many much more widespread and known people than idra that could fill that roll.. idk say perhaps Obama, or any one of our ambassadors? or people in sports with a fanbase of many millions? or our troops when not in the states?

lol what? so if a person from another country comes to live and compete in yours they aren't a representative? jesus christ what are you thinking here... the koreans came to mlg, thought that a lot of americans would be bm, and then milkis corrected them saying it was only idra

you are pretty delusional sir if you think milkis corrected that ALL by himself, you know not the awesome MLG that they just happened to be at or anything with fans cheering their hearts out for the koreans and even chanting their names at multiple times.

I'm sure they were reaffirmed throughout the MLG, but this was the initial thought when they came here which was the point of my post, yes.


That's just a silly generalization on their part then. They would have seen enough of Jinro, Huk, Haypro, Ret et al. to know that most foreigners gg.
NinMarth
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria25 Posts
June 13 2011 05:01 GMT
#1726
On June 13 2011 13:55 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:53 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:44 Nakas wrote:
Both of those Boxer vs Idra games were pretty piss poor, neither I would consider even close to a "good game".

Game 1 was just a silly 2-rax that anyone at diamond level or above can easily do, and will take games off even grandmaster players.

Game 2 was over the moment they spawned in vertical positions. A terran 2-base push through that short and narrow path is pretty much unbeatable. It's just like those pathways on the top and bottom of the old Shakuras map (the ones that were removed because they were imbalanced), but even shorter and quicker to push though. If NASL uses this map again next season, they really should to remove vertical spawns from it, or remove the passage like they did with Shakuras.

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.

This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. In Korean starcraft, a gg is the equivalent of a handshake. To not gg after a match is the same as spitting on someone as they extend their hand to shake yours or screaming obscenities at them after you lose.

Idra was a part of the Korean scene for years. He knows the culture. He has no excuse.

that metaphor is so wrong... not writing gg is the same as simply not shaking the opponents hand after a match. writing bm stuff in chat would be spitting on someone.
HOLY CHECK!
FighterHayabusa
Profile Joined December 2010
United States90 Posts
June 13 2011 05:02 GMT
#1727
On June 13 2011 13:58 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:46 motbob wrote:
TT1 says Idra doesn't deserve anything he has, but of course he doesn't know what he's talking about. Idra practiced 12 hours a day for two years to get to the level of top foreigner in BW, and that effort also paid off by making him the top foreigner in SC2 when it came out. He still hasn't relinquished that title.


u still dont know the half of it ^^
if i was spineless ratboy idra u would have tho

I think you should worry about your own game and less about Idra's. If you spent as much time playing as trolling you might actually win something
You must have to have it
Gruesome
Profile Joined September 2002
United States84 Posts
June 13 2011 05:02 GMT
#1728
I'd start this post by saying that I am NO fan of Idra and find his general attitude and those willing to defend/rationalize it to be a bit irritating.

But, at MLG last weekend, I found myself rooting for him because of his play. When he took apart MC in the first match, I was really excited to see his crazy macro zerg wreck possibly the best protoss on the planet.(Not interested in debating that)

But by the end of the weekend, whatever sort of issues he has taught me the error of my ways in rooting for him.

Not GG'ing Boxer seems like standard operating procedure to me. I'd say at this point, its people that want to excuse bad manners that I still find irritating. Idra is clearly what he is. Expecting different is silly.

Its a bummer though. It sure seems like he could be one of the very best when his head is screwed on right...
Smile, Cthulu loathes you...
obesecat
Profile Joined June 2011
7 Posts
June 13 2011 05:02 GMT
#1729
Daigo won today, Boxer won today, and the Mavericks won as well. Makes it even better to see garbage like Bosh, Idra, and Wolfkrone cry after they got put in their places
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 05:03:11
June 13 2011 05:02 GMT
#1730
Idra is a jerk for not gging to the Emperor. Surprise! Idra! Being a jerk after he loses! It's like this is still news to people.

TT1 and an assortment of others are being jerks in this thread because hey, they love talking shit about Idra. Surprise! TT1 and a bunch of LR people are BM! About Idra, of all people! HOW DID I NOT SEE THIS COMING?!

tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 13 2011 05:02 GMT
#1731
On June 13 2011 13:57 obesecat wrote:
There are actual people who like and support Idra? lmfao


Nice first post there, Garfield.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 13 2011 05:02 GMT
#1732
On June 13 2011 13:58 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:46 motbob wrote:
TT1 says Idra doesn't deserve anything he has, but of course he doesn't know what he's talking about. Idra practiced 12 hours a day for two years to get to the level of top foreigner in BW, and that effort also paid off by making him the top foreigner in SC2 when it came out. He still hasn't relinquished that title.


u still dont know the half of it ^^
if i was spineless ratboy idra u would have tho



Um, to the dude that thinks that TT1 is trolling IdrA because he didn't GG 'The Emperor', here's your evidence to the contrary.

It's obviously personal. Not that it matters. It's actually kind of hilarious.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 05:04:24
June 13 2011 05:03 GMT
#1733
On June 13 2011 13:54 hamchan wrote:
TT1 trolling you all is hilarious.

Also Idra not GGing is just bad man. Respect the goddamn Emperor.


im not trolling yo, as pathetic as it might seem because it has nothing to do with me i really am mad.. when he doesnt gg to boxer that tells me he thinks hes better than him and i take offence to that shit cus im an anal fuck
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 13 2011 05:03 GMT
#1734
On June 13 2011 13:58 Traven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:55 Two_DoWn wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:53 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:44 Nakas wrote:
Both of those Boxer vs Idra games were pretty piss poor, neither I would consider even close to a "good game".

Game 1 was just a silly 2-rax that anyone at diamond level or above can easily do, and will take games off even grandmaster players.

Game 2 was over the moment they spawned in vertical positions. A terran 2-base push through that short and narrow path is pretty much unbeatable. It's just like those pathways on the top and bottom of the old Shakuras map (the ones that were removed because they were imbalanced), but even shorter and quicker to push though. If NASL uses this map again next season, they really should to remove vertical spawns from it, or remove the passage like they did with Shakuras.

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.

This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. In Korean starcraft, a gg is the equivalent of a handshake. To not gg after a match is the same as spitting on someone as they extend their hand to shake yours or screaming obscenities at them after you lose.

Idra was a part of the Korean scene for years. He knows the culture. He has no excuse.

Imagine a baseball game. An opponent pitcher goes out and tries to hit one of your players with the ball intentionally. What is expected? The next time you are up to pitch, you will most likely try to hit one of the opposing teams batters. Boxer cheese, Idra didn't GG. Emperor or not, Idra can get ticked if he wants.

Wait what?

Cheese=hitting a batter with a pitch? Are you serious? Is that seriously the best analogy you have? Not only is it not even close to applicable, but it makes no sense.

A rush is part of the game. Idra didnt defend. If you want to use baseball analogy, it would be a fastball Idra couldnt catch up to. Or a curve when he thought he was getting a change up.

Boxer struck Idra out, and Idra has a right to be pissed. But he should be honored just to share the game with Boxer. You dont spit on the greatest person ever to play a sport.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
June 13 2011 05:03 GMT
#1735
On June 13 2011 13:58 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:46 motbob wrote:
TT1 says Idra doesn't deserve anything he has, but of course he doesn't know what he's talking about. Idra practiced 12 hours a day for two years to get to the level of top foreigner in BW, and that effort also paid off by making him the top foreigner in SC2 when it came out. He still hasn't relinquished that title.


u still dont know the half of it ^^
if i was spineless ratboy idra u would have tho


is this confirmation that rat/ratz is a french canadian insult? what does it mean? what is its origin?

so many unanswered questions.
powered by coffee, driven by hate.
NinMarth
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria25 Posts
June 13 2011 05:03 GMT
#1736
On June 13 2011 13:58 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:46 motbob wrote:
TT1 says Idra doesn't deserve anything he has, but of course he doesn't know what he's talking about. Idra practiced 12 hours a day for two years to get to the level of top foreigner in BW, and that effort also paid off by making him the top foreigner in SC2 when it came out. He still hasn't relinquished that title.


u still dont know the half of it ^^
if i was spineless ratboy idra u would have tho

"ratboy"? óo are you deezer?
HOLY CHECK!
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 13 2011 05:03 GMT
#1737
Wow I was so happy to see Boxer win when looking at the results, and 2-0! ...and then I realized there was a 30-40 page shitstorm following it.

I do have to say that I agree with people said it is BM to not gg, especially to Boxer. I thought IdrA would gg to him no matter what as a sign of respect, even if the games weren't good. Either way, all the random shit talking should really stop.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 13 2011 05:04 GMT
#1738
On June 13 2011 14:02 Gruesome wrote:
I'd start this post by saying that I am NO fan of Idra and find his general attitude and those willing to defend/rationalize it to be a bit irritating.

But, at MLG last weekend, I found myself rooting for him because of his play. When he took apart MC in the first match, I was really excited to see his crazy macro zerg wreck possibly the best protoss on the planet.(Not interested in debating that)

But by the end of the weekend, whatever sort of issues he has taught me the error of my ways in rooting for him.

Not GG'ing Boxer seems like standard operating procedure to me. I'd say at this point, its people that want to excuse bad manners that I still find irritating. Idra is clearly what he is. Expecting different is silly.

Its a bummer though. It sure seems like he could be one of the very best when his head is screwed on right...

I figured there'd be a definite possibility of him not gg'ing, but that's obviously not the point here. Idra doesn't get excused for being BM just because he's idra. If someone bm's boxer then they deserve to get called out, it's only fair.
IzieBoy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States865 Posts
June 13 2011 05:04 GMT
#1739
On June 13 2011 13:53 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:44 Nakas wrote:
Both of those Boxer vs Idra games were pretty piss poor, neither I would consider even close to a "good game".

Game 1 was just a silly 2-rax that anyone at diamond level or above can easily do, and will take games off even grandmaster players.

Game 2 was over the moment they spawned in vertical positions. A terran 2-base push through that short and narrow path is pretty much unbeatable. It's just like those pathways on the top and bottom of the old Shakuras map (the ones that were removed because they were imbalanced), but even shorter and quicker to push though. If NASL uses this map again next season, they really should to remove vertical spawns from it, or remove the passage like they did with Shakuras.

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.


lol i'm gold and i beat a GM using 2-rax transition into all marines.

i was thinking maybe the zerg could place his best tech structures at cross positions.. making his main just an expansion base

in game 2, maybe if he transferred away drones fast with drops and sacrificed those two bases he would still come out ahead if he had switched to mass ultras instead... his creep spread was a little slow too for some reason

i felt the map in game 2 was pretty balanced
Let's Do This! Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 13 2011 05:04 GMT
#1740
On June 13 2011 14:01 NinMarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 13:55 Two_DoWn wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:53 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On June 13 2011 13:44 Nakas wrote:
Both of those Boxer vs Idra games were pretty piss poor, neither I would consider even close to a "good game".

Game 1 was just a silly 2-rax that anyone at diamond level or above can easily do, and will take games off even grandmaster players.

Game 2 was over the moment they spawned in vertical positions. A terran 2-base push through that short and narrow path is pretty much unbeatable. It's just like those pathways on the top and bottom of the old Shakuras map (the ones that were removed because they were imbalanced), but even shorter and quicker to push though. If NASL uses this map again next season, they really should to remove vertical spawns from it, or remove the passage like they did with Shakuras.

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.

This just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. In Korean starcraft, a gg is the equivalent of a handshake. To not gg after a match is the same as spitting on someone as they extend their hand to shake yours or screaming obscenities at them after you lose.

Idra was a part of the Korean scene for years. He knows the culture. He has no excuse.

that metaphor is so wrong... not writing gg is the same as simply not shaking the opponents hand after a match. writing bm stuff in chat would be spitting on someone.

Not in starcraft. In korean starcraft the gg is a sign of respect and is expected at the end of the game. Not doing it is far worse than not shaking someones hand. It is a personal insult.
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