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On April 10 2011 05:30 Karakaxe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 10 2011 05:16 Karakaxe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Thorzain is going to put up a very good fight vs MC. Can he win though? So far, Thorzain's playstyle has been a safe, slow, heavy macro-style that ends up rolling his opponent. MC has the ability to apply aggression whenever he wants, and his early attacks are a heck of a lot stronger (read as: perfectly executed) than Tyler's one attempt at blink micro in game two. Therefore, I think Thorzain may have a lot of trouble against MC. MC has the uncanny ability to dictate the entire flow of the game, from start to finish. I think MC's going to win 3-1, although I'm incredibly impressed with Thorzain's play thus far. MC is just playing far better than Tyler is. Heck, MC is arguably the best player in the world at the moment, let alone absolutely the best Protoss. Thanks for the response. I agree with you all the way. If Thorzain picks a win or two, it's probably going to be with his mech play or something else unorthodox that MC isn't familiar with.
It'll have to be an awfully strange mech build. MC has been playing against mech for a while. If you recall GSL January, after Jinro beat MC with mech he said that MC usually beats that build in practice, meaning you probably can't throw MC off by just building factories.
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On April 10 2011 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 05:16 Karakaxe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Thorzain is going to put up a very good fight vs MC. Can he win though? So far, Thorzain's playstyle has been a safe, slow, heavy macro-style that ends up rolling his opponent. MC has the ability to apply aggression whenever he wants, and his early attacks are a heck of a lot stronger (read as: perfectly executed) than Tyler's one attempt at blink micro in game two. Therefore, I think Thorzain may have a lot of trouble against MC. MC has the uncanny ability to dictate the entire flow of the game, from start to finish. I think MC's going to win 3-1, although I'm incredibly impressed with Thorzain's play thus far. MC is just playing far better than Tyler is. Heck, MC is arguably the best player in the world at the moment, let alone absolutely the best Protoss.
MC is playing poor vs terran with all ins lately and no sentries (the only way to hold off superior early game MM). I can see Thor winning easy if he studies MC and MC doesn't play safe.
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On April 10 2011 05:10 Jayrod wrote:
SC2 Protoss plays like SC1 Terran
SC2 Thorzain plays like SC2 Protoss
So you're saying P should answer Thorzain's style by just 4gating? :-P
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On April 10 2011 05:31 Beyonder wrote:
And to those that say WR is being unmannered.. the guy is the epitome of manner.. O_O
Yeah, basically every time White-Ra says something after losing a game, people claim he is sarcastic and/or bm, when he really just is being nice.
So just assume he gave MC a compliment until he himself says it was BM, not the other way round.
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On April 10 2011 05:24 FeyFey wrote:
wow a typo and people go wild. And wow so bad mannered to compliment the other player ^^. Well WhiteRa is still the most mannered bw player of all times.
But what word can you build out of besty and thinking its bad mannered ? I mean alot of people thought its BM, so there must be an easy to find word, unless its the easy solution of the green big thingies running around here again.
people are mostly frustrated at people like you who post without knowing what WR meant at all, not at WR himself
try reading a few pages back guys
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On April 10 2011 05:30 Karakaxe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 10 2011 05:16 Karakaxe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Thorzain is going to put up a very good fight vs MC. Can he win though? So far, Thorzain's playstyle has been a safe, slow, heavy macro-style that ends up rolling his opponent. MC has the ability to apply aggression whenever he wants, and his early attacks are a heck of a lot stronger (read as: perfectly executed) than Tyler's one attempt at blink micro in game two. Therefore, I think Thorzain may have a lot of trouble against MC. MC has the uncanny ability to dictate the entire flow of the game, from start to finish. I think MC's going to win 3-1, although I'm incredibly impressed with Thorzain's play thus far. MC is just playing far better than Tyler is. Heck, MC is arguably the best player in the world at the moment, let alone absolutely the best Protoss. Thanks for the response. I agree with you all the way. If Thorzain picks a win or two, it's probably going to be with his mech play or something else unorthodox that MC isn't familiar with.
I think thorzain should have ppl play aggressive protoss on him all the time now, to become aggression-proof, probably he can win if he can field his mech army. MC could practice with Jinro though, after all, he was the first to try mech against a solid protoss on a big tournament and win (Coincidentally, against MC of all people), and thorzain's mech looks very similar to jinro's. Also, oGs has some solid terrans to practice against.
Anyways, if this is played on the US server, I think thorzain has good chances. If played offline, hands down MC wins. Can't remember what's the setting for Ro8
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Dunno what all the fuss is about. Even nice people like whitera get upset sometimes. It's just human nature, nobody can always be perfectly mannered.
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On April 10 2011 05:36 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 05:30 Karakaxe wrote:On April 10 2011 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 10 2011 05:16 Karakaxe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Thorzain is going to put up a very good fight vs MC. Can he win though? So far, Thorzain's playstyle has been a safe, slow, heavy macro-style that ends up rolling his opponent. MC has the ability to apply aggression whenever he wants, and his early attacks are a heck of a lot stronger (read as: perfectly executed) than Tyler's one attempt at blink micro in game two. Therefore, I think Thorzain may have a lot of trouble against MC. MC has the uncanny ability to dictate the entire flow of the game, from start to finish. I think MC's going to win 3-1, although I'm incredibly impressed with Thorzain's play thus far. MC is just playing far better than Tyler is. Heck, MC is arguably the best player in the world at the moment, let alone absolutely the best Protoss. Thanks for the response. I agree with you all the way. If Thorzain picks a win or two, it's probably going to be with his mech play or something else unorthodox that MC isn't familiar with. I think thorzain should have ppl play aggressive protoss on him all the time now, to become aggression-proof, probably he can win if he can field his mech army. MC could practice with Jinro though, after all, he was the first to try mech against a solid protoss on a big tournament and win (Coincidentally, against MC of all people), and thorzain's mech looks very similar to jinro's. Also, oGs has some solid terrans to practice against. Anyways, if this is played on the US server, I think thorzain has good chances. If played offline, hands down MC wins. Can't remember what's the setting for Ro8
yeah, but jinro's mech was more tank focused, IIRC. i have never seen mass 250mm thor in a pro game before.
but i don't think MC will be taking these games lightly. and yeah, he has jinro to practice with.
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On April 10 2011 05:38 sleigh bells wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 05:36 mordk wrote:On April 10 2011 05:30 Karakaxe wrote:On April 10 2011 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 10 2011 05:16 Karakaxe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Thorzain is going to put up a very good fight vs MC. Can he win though? So far, Thorzain's playstyle has been a safe, slow, heavy macro-style that ends up rolling his opponent. MC has the ability to apply aggression whenever he wants, and his early attacks are a heck of a lot stronger (read as: perfectly executed) than Tyler's one attempt at blink micro in game two. Therefore, I think Thorzain may have a lot of trouble against MC. MC has the uncanny ability to dictate the entire flow of the game, from start to finish. I think MC's going to win 3-1, although I'm incredibly impressed with Thorzain's play thus far. MC is just playing far better than Tyler is. Heck, MC is arguably the best player in the world at the moment, let alone absolutely the best Protoss. Thanks for the response. I agree with you all the way. If Thorzain picks a win or two, it's probably going to be with his mech play or something else unorthodox that MC isn't familiar with. I think thorzain should have ppl play aggressive protoss on him all the time now, to become aggression-proof, probably he can win if he can field his mech army. MC could practice with Jinro though, after all, he was the first to try mech against a solid protoss on a big tournament and win (Coincidentally, against MC of all people), and thorzain's mech looks very similar to jinro's. Also, oGs has some solid terrans to practice against. Anyways, if this is played on the US server, I think thorzain has good chances. If played offline, hands down MC wins. Can't remember what's the setting for Ro8 yeah, but jinro's mech was more tank focused, IIRC. i have never seen mass 250mm thor in a pro game before. but i don't think MC will be taking these games lightly. and yeah, he has jinro to practice with.
Sangho vs TLO in GSL2. TLO makes some brutal mistakes that could obviously be corrected, but then again, he wasn't up against MC.
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On April 10 2011 05:40 Turgid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 05:38 sleigh bells wrote:On April 10 2011 05:36 mordk wrote:On April 10 2011 05:30 Karakaxe wrote:On April 10 2011 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 10 2011 05:16 Karakaxe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Thorzain is going to put up a very good fight vs MC. Can he win though? So far, Thorzain's playstyle has been a safe, slow, heavy macro-style that ends up rolling his opponent. MC has the ability to apply aggression whenever he wants, and his early attacks are a heck of a lot stronger (read as: perfectly executed) than Tyler's one attempt at blink micro in game two. Therefore, I think Thorzain may have a lot of trouble against MC. MC has the uncanny ability to dictate the entire flow of the game, from start to finish. I think MC's going to win 3-1, although I'm incredibly impressed with Thorzain's play thus far. MC is just playing far better than Tyler is. Heck, MC is arguably the best player in the world at the moment, let alone absolutely the best Protoss. Thanks for the response. I agree with you all the way. If Thorzain picks a win or two, it's probably going to be with his mech play or something else unorthodox that MC isn't familiar with. I think thorzain should have ppl play aggressive protoss on him all the time now, to become aggression-proof, probably he can win if he can field his mech army. MC could practice with Jinro though, after all, he was the first to try mech against a solid protoss on a big tournament and win (Coincidentally, against MC of all people), and thorzain's mech looks very similar to jinro's. Also, oGs has some solid terrans to practice against. Anyways, if this is played on the US server, I think thorzain has good chances. If played offline, hands down MC wins. Can't remember what's the setting for Ro8 yeah, but jinro's mech was more tank focused, IIRC. i have never seen mass 250mm thor in a pro game before. but i don't think MC will be taking these games lightly. and yeah, he has jinro to practice with. Sangho vs TLO in GSL2. TLO makes some brutal mistakes that could obviously be corrected, but then again, he wasn't up against MC.
oh cool, thx i'm gonna check it out. the only real mech games i could remember were jinro v. MC and MVP v. Squirtle (?), which were both tank-based
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On April 10 2011 05:31 Beyonder wrote:
And to those that say WR is being unmannered.. the guy is the epitome of manner.. O_O
Yeah I defended him in world competition too then he admitted on camera he was frustrated and it was not a compliment. Now I'm not so eager. Huge fan still and this only proves he's human and not a saint anymore.
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tl.net is turning into a haterfest on anyone that isn't super duper manner 100% all the time. white-ra has one of the longest track records in e-sports for being super manner and a nice guy to everyone online and at LAN events so even if he did BM 1 or 2 times out of frustration with builds that aren't super skill intensive it still should be received as just that and not an uproar with everyone saying omg WR = BM!!! Sure he may have had a lapse but I'm sure if anyone went up to him at a LAN he would be one of the nicest guys there even with his terrible english. This "BM" in no way makes him a bad person in general or for e-sports overall so I think the whining should just end. It is also no surprise that almost all the people complaining are posters who joined in 2010 or later and none of the actual strong gamers that know white-ra and his history in broodwar.
Overall looking forward to Thorzain vs MC. Should be a fun one either way.
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Uhm.. guys. That last sentence by White-Ra was 100% a compliment to MC, nothing else.
Saying the opposite is quite wrong... new sc2-guys here on TL don't know who white-ra is i guess..
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I sorta expected Whitera and MC but i was hoping for 3-1 or 3-2..
Nony however i didnt see coming at all
and LOL @ all the new people saying White-Ra was being BM
Please learn something about him before you say something so stupid and obnoxious
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On April 10 2011 05:43 LostDevil wrote:
tl.net is turning into a haterfest on anyone that isn't super duper manner 100% all the time. white-ra has one of the longest track records in e-sports for being super manner and a nice guy to everyone online and at LAN events so even if he did BM 1 or 2 times out of frustration with builds that aren't super skill intensive it still should be received as just that and not an uproar with everyone saying omg WR = BM!!! Sure he may have had a lapse but I'm sure if anyone went up to him at a LAN he would be one of the nicest guys there even with his terrible english. This "BM" in no way makes him a bad person in general or for e-sports overall so I think the whining should just end. It is also no surprise that almost all the people complaining are posters who joined in 2010 or later and none of the actual strong gamers that know white-ra and his history in broodwar.
Overall looking forward to Thorzain vs MC. Should be a fun one either way.
Great post! It's not like he was BM to his opponent. 4 Gate build is terrible in pvp, and every pvp game is frustrating.
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i can't believe how much of this thread is people talking about whether or not whitera is bm. fucking get over it i swear most sc2 players are a bunch of whiny little bitches still living in their mama's basement
User was warned for this post
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On April 10 2011 05:31 Beyonder wrote:
And to those that say WR is being unmannered.. the guy is the epitome of manner.. O_O
That's the general idea and the reason why people are disappointed when he first BMed San(and openly admitted it) and now MC.
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On April 10 2011 05:44 arb wrote:
I sorta expected Whitera and MC but i was hoping for 3-1 or 3-2..
Nony however i didnt see coming at all
and LOL @ all the new people saying White-Ra was being BM
Please learn something about him before you say something so stupid and obnoxious
How could you not see Nony's performance coming a mile away. His lackluster result at MLG was a clear sign that their was something wrong with his play/practice/mindset lately. He had about two weeks to prepare for three people. I have no doubt he'll rebound in NASL but, he has been down lately.
Surprising that he didn't take a single game off Thorzain, not a surprise that he lost though.
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look all i was saying that is that white ra fans should stop saying he is 100% manner all the time. he's not, and has admitted so. but that is fine, and people should also stop whining about every single tiny comment made in frustration. but now it's white ra fans saying that unless you think white ra is 100% good manner you are an idiot. jeez. anyway TL lesson learned, these manner discussions are pointless.
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It's funny that people are so used to Nony being BM'd and a whiny baby they don't mind when he leaves game 3 without a GG but White-Ra's frustrations at 4-gate get a ton of attention. White-Ra is held to a different standard. He's really the only good guy left in the foreign scene.
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