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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 09 2011 20:20 GMT
#2981
On April 10 2011 05:15 dre2k wrote:
yeah like being married has anything to do with being bm or not

Probably increases it. Ever had a LTR?
MC for president
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 09 2011 20:21 GMT
#2982
are there VODS up yet? i wanna watch tyler vs thorzain OO!~
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artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
April 09 2011 20:21 GMT
#2983
He probably meant beasty and was giving MC a compliment. It wasn't an insult or bm. WTF?
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
April 09 2011 20:22 GMT
#2984
On April 10 2011 05:21 Xeris wrote:
are there VODS up yet? i wanna watch tyler vs thorzain OO!~

Not yet, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=203014 you can see there. Should be coming within few hours though
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JediGamer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States656 Posts
April 09 2011 20:23 GMT
#2985
Thorzain 3-0 MC hwaiting. Sorry for the future spoiler.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46136 Posts
April 09 2011 20:23 GMT
#2986
On April 10 2011 05:16 Karakaxe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Thorzain is going to put up a very good fight vs MC. Can he win though?


So far, Thorzain's playstyle has been a safe, slow, heavy macro-style that ends up rolling his opponent.

MC has the ability to apply aggression whenever he wants, and his early attacks are a heck of a lot stronger (read as: perfectly executed) than Tyler's one attempt at blink micro in game two. Therefore, I think Thorzain may have a lot of trouble against MC.

MC has the uncanny ability to dictate the entire flow of the game, from start to finish.

I think MC's going to win 3-1, although I'm incredibly impressed with Thorzain's play thus far. MC is just playing far better than Tyler is. Heck, MC is arguably the best player in the world at the moment, let alone absolutely the best Protoss.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
shaman6ix
Profile Joined January 2011
Greece212 Posts
April 09 2011 20:23 GMT
#2987
i cannot believe this is still going on.. when have you ever heard whitera bm again? thats right, never. RA is a solid player and a nice person, he wouldnt bm for no reason, he just gave a copliment to his opponent. gogo MC!
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Skydancer
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy249 Posts
April 09 2011 20:23 GMT
#2988
I don't hate WR but when someone don't know how to lose without QQ it's sad... especially after you did just the game before what you're QQ about in the next match...

I respect white-ra as a player (also if clearly MC is way way ahead him) but he lost two times and QQ two times... is too much from an old respected player like him...

After 10months that the game is out QQ about 4 gate is so boring...
MMA | MC | Dear
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 09 2011 20:24 GMT
#2989
wow a typo and people go wild. And wow so bad mannered to compliment the other player ^^. Well WhiteRa is still the most mannered bw player of all times.

But what word can you build out of besty and thinking its bad mannered ? I mean alot of people thought its BM, so there must be an easy to find word, unless its the easy solution of the green big thingies running around here again.
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
April 09 2011 20:24 GMT
#2990
People seem to care more about the drama, than the actual game.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
April 09 2011 20:25 GMT
#2991
On April 10 2011 05:21 artanis2 wrote:
He probably meant beasty and was giving MC a compliment. It wasn't an insult or bm. WTF?

He probably meant best since the y-key is right next to the t-key.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Fungal Growth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
April 09 2011 20:26 GMT
#2992
On April 10 2011 05:13 dre2k wrote:
...plus if it is scouted your enemy just instantly expands and can contain you with their 4 gate units for a long time.
I'm not so sure about that (would be curious to know if any toss players have tried this)...

The nice thing about cannons is that they are so gas cheap. This means you can focus your gas on teching (instead of say stalkers) and cruise to fast colossi (2nd most powerful PvP weapon after 4gate). Immortals can be built while waiting for the colossi as they do very well vs stalkers.

The other important thing is supply... 1 pylon = 100m = 8 supply which means a stalker costs you 25+ more than what you thought and say a immortal cost 50+ more. Cannons don't have these hidden costs, which would free up more minerals for defense and teching because you don't have to build as many pylons. Now in late game this doesn't matter so much because units are getting killed left and right so then, pylon cost are somewhat not relevant, but in early game their cost is very important.

Lastly, beating the opposition to +1 gives you a nice advantage in the mid to late game. On paper it is +10% but can be more for some units like colossi... So that roughly means when you have about 40 supply worth of military units +1 pays for itself.
shire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
April 09 2011 20:26 GMT
#2993
as expected. + Show Spoiler +
clean sweep by both mc and thorzain. never doubted.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 20:27:58
April 09 2011 20:26 GMT
#2994
On April 10 2011 05:18 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 05:15 Skydancer wrote:
If the 4gate is the besty why he lost in game 2?
Pls come on white-ra you're 30 years old and married... stop be a child BM and QQ.
You won your're only PvP vs MC of your life in GSL WC, be happy about that!

No matter if someone said that WR would never BM because he's soo cool and so Manner... after loosing from korean his lost his credit imo...


Why are ppl making such a fuss over what white-ra said in that last game?? It's ridiculous, he made a comment about a build, a tiny bit of QQ and ppl are all over him, that's insane. It doesn't really matter if it was BM or not, he's still probably the best mannered player around, one of the most skilled (if not the most consistent) and one of the best to watch players in the scene.

God White-Ra haters are on fire today, wtf? He's the most likeable guy around, definitely.

It's not really a big deal taken in isolation. But lowers Whitera to the guys saying "he's playing protoss" or "he built marines" or similar nonsense so I'm disappointed cuz I like Whitera.

He just got outplayed no reason for anything other than GG.
MC for president
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 20:27:50
April 09 2011 20:27 GMT
#2995
On April 10 2011 05:13 dre2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 05:07 Fungal Growth wrote:
4 gate is really taking over PvP in these high level matches...wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard increases the research time for warp gate...

For those of you that play high level PvP, why don't players go 'forge tech' vs 4 gate? On paper cannons compare very well to stalker/zealot (32 hp*dps/cost compared to 20 for zealots and 8/6 for stalkers). The cannons can also allow you to bank gas and supply for immortals 29/11 (great stalker killers) and then fast colossi (12 hp*dps/cost but assuming 3 units a swipe it is closer to 36).

You can then +1 very fast which is crucial for colossi of how their damage stacks.

Would this work? It is too vulnerable to blink stalkers?

Yes it would be vulnerable to blink stalkers, plus if it is scouted your enemy just instantly expands and can contain you with their 4 gate units for a long time.

The second point is the important one. It's the same reason why you don't throw down 5 spine crawlers in ZvZ just to not die early, it's not enough to not die early at any price.
Skydancer
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 20:28:31
April 09 2011 20:27 GMT
#2996
On April 10 2011 05:24 Brad wrote:
People seem to care more about the drama, than the actual game.


There's so few to say about the today's game. ;-)

If all the white-ra fans stop defend him when he also admin that bm san... that's weird...

Anyway go on... fans are fans...
MMA | MC | Dear
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46136 Posts
April 09 2011 20:28 GMT
#2997
On April 10 2011 05:24 FeyFey wrote:
wow a typo and people go wild. And wow so bad mannered to compliment the other player ^^. Well WhiteRa is still the most mannered bw player of all times.

But what word can you build out of besty and thinking its bad mannered ? I mean alot of people thought its BM, so there must be an easy to find word, unless its the easy solution of the green big thingies running around here again.


WhiteRa BMed San for beating him with a 4gate a short while ago. He openly admitted it in an interview, saying that he didn't think that 4gate rushes required players to use their brains.

This is the second time he gave a similar response before leaving the game after losing to a fast 4gate rush. It's absolutely clear that this is a QQ/ BM response from WhiteRa, despite the fact that he's known for normally having a fantastic reputation when it comes to good manners.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
April 09 2011 20:30 GMT
#2998
On April 10 2011 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 05:16 Karakaxe wrote:
I'm pretty sure Thorzain is going to put up a very good fight vs MC. Can he win though?


So far, Thorzain's playstyle has been a safe, slow, heavy macro-style that ends up rolling his opponent.

MC has the ability to apply aggression whenever he wants, and his early attacks are a heck of a lot stronger (read as: perfectly executed) than Tyler's one attempt at blink micro in game two. Therefore, I think Thorzain may have a lot of trouble against MC.

MC has the uncanny ability to dictate the entire flow of the game, from start to finish.

I think MC's going to win 3-1, although I'm incredibly impressed with Thorzain's play thus far. MC is just playing far better than Tyler is. Heck, MC is arguably the best player in the world at the moment, let alone absolutely the best Protoss.


Thanks for the response.

I agree with you all the way. If Thorzain picks a win or two, it's probably going to be with his mech play or something else unorthodox that MC isn't familiar with.
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
April 09 2011 20:31 GMT
#2999
And to those that say WR is being unmannered.. the guy is the epitome of manner.. O_O
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danielsan
Profile Joined December 2010
Romania399 Posts
April 09 2011 20:32 GMT
#3000
On April 10 2011 05:15 Skydancer wrote:
If the 4gate is the besty why he losty in game 2?

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