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On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:23 Shorack wrote:On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Wasn't that the whole point of it? That quality foreigners wouldn't need to go to Korea with the uncertainties about wether or not they'd acquire code A? If you have to be there, it's totally unfair: - towards the foreigners not there, but who are just as/more qualified than foreigners already there. (and willing to make the trip ofc). - towards the koreans, who have to prove their worth through qualifiers first. Until EG arrives there, it's getting close to: "let's give the liquid players some free tickets". Especially ret, he got dropped from code A and immediately gets in again immediately and basically for free? (i love seeying ret's play, but it wouldn't be fair not to mention it) Purely from a marketing perspective, it's still a smart move ofc. Really this must stop. The seeding is there for the players who make an effort to sacrifice what they are doing and go to Korea. It's a nice thing GOM decided to do for the foreign scene. Stop spitting in their face and whining. Just be happy they actually care about anyone outside of Korea. They could act just like BW and not give a rats ass. People disgust me.
1. It's not because you're not in Korea that you wouldn't make the effort of coming to Korea if you got an A slot, obviously.
2. I seem to recall that it would be based on accomplishments. It's competition, results should be rewarded, not effort.
3. This system still doesn't care for anyone outside Korea, it's actually extremely close to a reward for assimilating to their scene.
4. Why would this be spitting in their face? Since when is there no longer such a thing as simply disagreeing?
5. I'm actually unhappy if this is how it's going to be. This almost only rewards team/player monetary resources. (and okay, the effort of moving to and living in Korea)
Btw, not saying that the ones given the A slots wouldn't have qualified. (i either don't know or do believe they were likely to qualify)
Also, the GomTV gaming house (if at least it will be as explained by John) is a good system then, since that actually does help those who have a decent shot at qualifying, but lack the resources for a prolonged stay, so i applaud gomtv for that.
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i'm okay if you don't agree, but at least try to understand my argument instead of just calling it spitting/whining.
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On January 31 2011 03:52 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:On January 31 2011 03:23 Shorack wrote:On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Wasn't that the whole point of it? That quality foreigners wouldn't need to go to Korea with the uncertainties about wether or not they'd acquire code A? If you have to be there, it's totally unfair: - towards the foreigners not there, but who are just as/more qualified than foreigners already there. (and willing to make the trip ofc). - towards the koreans, who have to prove their worth through qualifiers first. Until EG arrives there, it's getting close to: "let's give the liquid players some free tickets". Especially ret, he got dropped from code A and immediately gets in again immediately and basically for free? (i love seeying ret's play, but it wouldn't be fair not to mention it) Purely from a marketing perspective, it's still a smart move ofc. Really this must stop. The seeding is there for the players who make an effort to sacrifice what they are doing and go to Korea. I will respond with someone elses quote. Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:14 revoN wrote:On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Why would they need to be 'there' when they don't have to qualify? I thought the entire point of inviting players was to get skilled ppl that normally wouldn't be able to make it to Korea? I like the above quote because that is what I also thought the point was. Pro gamers can't just say "hey I'm going to go to fly across the world to a huge tournament hoping that I will win so that I don't lose money from the plane tickets and living expenses" because it is a huge risk. Do you honestly think this is the best way to incorporate the best players from around the world? I am not even hating on these players and saying they are worse, but clearly it was just for convenience sake. I think it would be cool to see players like Dimaga, Mana or WhiteRa competing in the GSL. Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:
It's a nice thing GOM decided to do for the foreign scene. Stop spitting in their face and whining. Just be happy they actually care about anyone outside of Korea. They could act just like BW and not give a rats ass.
People disgust me. Lmao... that is flawed logic. Basically what you are saying is "hey look they are trying" but by that logic if they pay Brat_OK 5 dollars to fly down and compete in the GSL you could say "look they are trying to help foreign players" but what it comes down to is how much. If this is an international event hosted by Blizzard, I think a reasonable about of money should be invested in having people from all around the world competing in the tournament. That's just my opinion and I am not saying what they are doing is terrible (it's obviously not), but you can't possibly think this is the best they can do and farthest they should go to get the best players from around the world into Korea.
At the latter part. Wouldn't that also backfire to GOM?
If we take Brat_OK as an example. He has had visa issues before. GOM pays his ticket and invites him. Foreigners very happy but then his visa gets denied.
The players first need to be able to go to Korea and open for it.
You can't expect GOM to do everything. That's asking too much from them. They could've done entirely nothing and just let foreigners qualify and not make a team house at all.
Some people here expect that GOM should do everything and the players just tell publicly they want to go to Korea. Kind of egoistic on those kind of players.
And tickets to Korea are expensive and you expect GOM to pay tickets for every foreigner invite. That's 7x4 foreigner = 28 times the amount of money a 1way ticket to Korea.
Or they could invest that kind of money into something else like a house for the players who are commiting their time and effort to go to Korea. Players like from TL and mOOnglaDe.
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By moving to Korea the Liquid players basically gave up the ability to compete in most non-Korean tournaments. It would be cruel to punish them for that by then basing the slots only on overseas tournament results.
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Anyone know what happened to notable players like ST_Bomber or NEXpuzzle??? They were all-killing oGs/fOu/IM/SlayerS guys in the team invitational back in jan.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 31 2011 02:34 Hoju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 21:17 shannn wrote:Ok I have made the list of Code A players for GSL March. I am missing 1 person (not sure if Yeah is a person who qualified by that list bokchoi mentioned). So far we have. Don't know everyone's races so if anyone can help out. Qualified through code A qualifiers (12, should be 13 missing 1 person): CchapSeungEu  Alicia  Curious ST_Ace St_Virus ZeNEXCoCa IMLosira IMGanZi TSL_Pretty (RevivaL) MvPDog oGsSuperNova ZeNEXSakura Foreign invitees (4): Liquid`HuK Liquid`Ret Liquid`Haypro FXOmOOnGLaDe Current code A players (8): IMJunwi TSL_aLive TSL_Killer ST_Squirtle ST_August LonerPrime.WE SlayerSYuGiOh ButterflyEffect TBD code A players by code S regulation matches (1 spot of code S rest stays code A out of 8 players): FOXMoon LeenockfOu MakaPrime.WE PoltPrime.WE oGsJookTo oGsCezanne TSL_Rain SlayerSLegalMind Cchap Seung Eu and Alicia appear to be in SlayerS. And Curious is in StarTale. MvPDog, oGsSuperNova, ZeNEXSakura (aka Destination) are all Terran players (in case people were wondering why Terran didn't even have half of the qualified players, now they almost do  ) Source: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2583487 ( Translated page w/ Google Translate) Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 01:58 shannn wrote:
I'm pretty sure now that TL is sitting at 8th place since SlayerS team lost 1 player last GSL in the ro32 of code A. Meaning if GOM does not maintain the 8 member minimum rule. TL will participate in the GSTL. I hope GOM doesn't maintain this and thus we can see a foreign team in the GSTL. Should probably sent a mail and ask for this clarification. Not quite, 2 players qualified from SlayerS: Cchap Seung EU and Alicia. Combine that with YuGiOh and LegalMind (who might even get back into Code S) in Code A and BoxeR in Code S that would be 1*1.6 + 4*1 = 5.6. Liquid has 1 Code S and 3 Code A, so 1*1.6 + 3*1 = 4.6 Close, but not quite.
The last player to make it in is  Yeah(altogether 13 players) although PlayXP says he only played 1 game?
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They were given invites because they were highest ranked foreigners on KR ladder. Anyone else across the world could have tried for that.
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Gom are doing an awesome job in attempting to make it easier for foreign players to get set up in Korea when trying to compete in the GSL
With that said, I do hope they aren't going to be extending invites first and foremost to players in Korea for every season. It's just unfeasible for some of the top players elsewhere in the world to uproot and move to Korea without assurance at a shot in Code A, because not all teams are as awesome as Liquid in terms of getting their players set up over there. By all means make a deadline for confirmation on whether or not a player would be able to accept an invite (visa/travel/work/time issues) so you are positive the players invited will be showing up, but having to have players sent over to the country in the first place just to get a chance at the invite makes it somewhat more redundant.
I'm of the opinion that GOM probably invited the players in Korea (and Moonglade) because of proximity and a guarantee of appearance even on shorter notice. For the next season, with a bit more time for GOM, teams, and players to communicate, then hopefully we may see some more wide ranging invites.
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On January 31 2011 04:16 Asha` wrote:
Gom are doing an awesome job in attempting to make it easier for foreign players to get set up in Korea when trying to compete in the GSL
With that said, I do hope they aren't going to be extending invites first and foremost to players in Korea for every season. It's just unfeasible for some of the top players elsewhere in the world to uproot and move to Korea without assurance at a shot in Code A, because not all teams are as awesome as Liquid in terms of getting their players set up over there. By all means make a deadline for confirmation on whether or not a player would be able to accept an invite (visa/travel/work/time issues) so you are positive the players invited will be showing up, but having to have players sent over to the country in the first place just to get a chance at the invite makes it somewhat more redundant.
I'm of the opinion that GOM probably invited the players in Korea (and Moonglade) because of proximity and a guarantee of appearance even on shorter notice. For the next season, with a bit more time for GOM, teams, and players to communicate, then hopefully we may see some more wide ranging invites.
You bring up an interesting point about the teams not supporting their players by sending them to korea. It seems you are hinting that the players should move to other teams?
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I'm pretty sure John said in the interview he gave with Artosis (see GOM Foreign house video) that you don't need to be IN Korea to get the invite (merely ready to pay your own ticket to Korea) and you DON'T need to compete in Korean ladder (he said ladder only is taken into account IF there are NO accomplishments).
If Haypro and Ret got in, that means they counted previous GSL qualifying as an 'accomplishment' and then took into account they're ladder rating.
I'm pretty sure if players like White-Ra, Fenix, or even Morrow CHOSE to apply, they would have received an invite over the two liquid players. It even says, those two were 'recommended' instead of accomplishment based.
Edit: By reading this thread, I also think people are under the impression that GOM just gives out the invites, but people have to apply (though again, not sure if Ret and Haypro did since they were recommended). It wouldn't even be the smartest options for top Euro players or NA players to simply accept a shot at Code A with so little prize money on the line when they have a lot more resources at their disposal in their home.
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On January 31 2011 03:55 Shorack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:On January 31 2011 03:23 Shorack wrote:On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Wasn't that the whole point of it? That quality foreigners wouldn't need to go to Korea with the uncertainties about wether or not they'd acquire code A? If you have to be there, it's totally unfair: - towards the foreigners not there, but who are just as/more qualified than foreigners already there. (and willing to make the trip ofc). - towards the koreans, who have to prove their worth through qualifiers first. Until EG arrives there, it's getting close to: "let's give the liquid players some free tickets". Especially ret, he got dropped from code A and immediately gets in again immediately and basically for free? (i love seeying ret's play, but it wouldn't be fair not to mention it) Purely from a marketing perspective, it's still a smart move ofc. Really this must stop. The seeding is there for the players who make an effort to sacrifice what they are doing and go to Korea. It's a nice thing GOM decided to do for the foreign scene. Stop spitting in their face and whining. Just be happy they actually care about anyone outside of Korea. They could act just like BW and not give a rats ass. People disgust me. 1. It's not because you're not in Korea that you wouldn't make the effort of coming to Korea if you got an A slot, obviously. 2. I seem to recall that it would be based on accomplishments. It's competition, results should be rewarded, not effort. 3. This system still doesn't care for anyone outside Korea, it's actually extremely close to a reward for assimilating to their scene. 4. Why would this be spitting in their face? Since when is there no longer such a thing as simply disagreeing? 5. I'm actually unhappy if this is how it's going to be. This almost only rewards team/player monetary resources. (and okay, the effort of moving to and living in Korea) Btw, not saying that the ones given the A slots wouldn't have qualified. (i either don't know or do believe they were likely to qualify) Also, the GomTV gaming house (if at least it will be as explained by John) is a good system then, since that actually does help those who have a decent shot at qualifying, but lack the resources for a prolonged stay, so i applaud gomtv for that. *edit* i'm okay if you don't agree, but at least try to understand my argument instead of just calling it spitting/whining.
These invites WERE awarded based on accomplishments. Since the tournament consists mostly of Korean players, the accomplishments taken into consideration must to be relevant to Korean players. They cannot just look at foreigner tournaments because almost no Koreans played in those, so it's not really a good way to gauge how a foreigner would stack up in the GSL against Koreans.
So what accomplishments do they look at? Well, obviously past GSL results, first of all. Haypro and Ret have both qualified for previous GSLs. That means they have at least what it takes to compete against Koreans.
What other accomoplishments can they look at? Korean ladder. Huk is extremely high up on the Korean ladder and Moonglade is top 200 as well, I think.
These players have already proven they can compete against Koreans, while other foreigners have not. Gom would look really bad if they invited foreigners that Koreans have never heard of only to have them flop in the first rounds. The only player I can see a debate against giving an invite is Moonglade, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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On January 31 2011 04:19 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 04:16 Asha` wrote:
Gom are doing an awesome job in attempting to make it easier for foreign players to get set up in Korea when trying to compete in the GSL
With that said, I do hope they aren't going to be extending invites first and foremost to players in Korea for every season. It's just unfeasible for some of the top players elsewhere in the world to uproot and move to Korea without assurance at a shot in Code A, because not all teams are as awesome as Liquid in terms of getting their players set up over there. By all means make a deadline for confirmation on whether or not a player would be able to accept an invite (visa/travel/work/time issues) so you are positive the players invited will be showing up, but having to have players sent over to the country in the first place just to get a chance at the invite makes it somewhat more redundant.
I'm of the opinion that GOM probably invited the players in Korea (and Moonglade) because of proximity and a guarantee of appearance even on shorter notice. For the next season, with a bit more time for GOM, teams, and players to communicate, then hopefully we may see some more wide ranging invites. You bring up an interesting point about the teams not supporting their players by sending them to korea. It seems you are hinting that the players should move to other teams?
No no not at all, most players seem pretty damn happy with their teams from what I've seen. I'm just saying that it's a big step for a team to do what Liquid did. I might even say a big risk, but I don't know the extent of the costs of Liquids arrangement and wouldn't like to make presumptions there.
To send your players over to Korea is an investment and I believe teams are less likely to make it if there isn't some kind of assurance that their players stay will be worthwhile. Sure it would be nice to see more teams take the plunge, but I'm not sure you'll see them leaping to do it just yet.
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On January 31 2011 03:41 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:20 revoN wrote:On January 31 2011 03:12 syllogism wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? I'm repeating myself but I think there are quite reasonable explanations for this Even assuming there were more deserving players available, the next GSL begins in two weeks so it would have been quite challenging to get the players there in time and allow them to have time to prepare. Furthermore there'll be 7 (I recall?) main tournaments this year so plenty of opportunities to invite other top foreigners. These other foreigners haven't already invested months into qualifying so while you may argue some of them could have been more deserving based on results, Huk/Haypro/Ret have sacrificed a lot to participate. They could have been in Europe/NA instead and winning/doing well in all these tournaments. Then they shouldn't choose the invitees at the last minute. Ret and Haypro are skilled enough to get into Code A on their own (HuK as well but since he won one MLG and placed top3 in another inviting him is a no brainer). I thought GSL wanted to have more foreign exposure? It seems that there's always the same old faces competing... Players shouldn't be penalized for putting extra effort into participating, ie. by temporarily moving there and practicing hard for months. Currently, it makes no sense financially for a top foreigner to do that as the foreigner tournaments provide a much more reliable source of revenue. Also you've to remember this invitation system and indeed the whole tournament structure is quite new and perhaps they weren't even sure if the foreigner house would be ready in time. Moreover, it's possible other players were considered, but either hadn't yet expressed interest, or already had other arrangements made for the time period. Finally, I'd once again like to stress there'll be many tournaments this year and thus plenty of chances to invite other good candidates.
They wouldn't be penalised. In fact with the current system in place they are being favoured over the Koreans. It's no big feat to be a top4 foreigner if there's only 4 foreigners total in Korea (I know there's actually a few more than that but still). If you don't intend to invite the absolute best from all round the world you might as well scrap the idea altogether. Offline qualifications that are fair for everyone would be enough.
On January 31 2011 04:15 Gentleman7 wrote:
They were given invites because they were highest ranked foreigners on KR ladder. Anyone else across the world could have tried for that.
Yes because playing with 200+ ping is totally viable.
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On January 31 2011 04:44 Kutnatsen wrote:
Artosis playing when?
Artosis already played.
Lost first match against LittleBoy (Goma) i believe.
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On January 31 2011 03:55 Shorack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:On January 31 2011 03:23 Shorack wrote:On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Wasn't that the whole point of it? That quality foreigners wouldn't need to go to Korea with the uncertainties about wether or not they'd acquire code A? If you have to be there, it's totally unfair: - towards the foreigners not there, but who are just as/more qualified than foreigners already there. (and willing to make the trip ofc). - towards the koreans, who have to prove their worth through qualifiers first. Until EG arrives there, it's getting close to: "let's give the liquid players some free tickets". Especially ret, he got dropped from code A and immediately gets in again immediately and basically for free? (i love seeying ret's play, but it wouldn't be fair not to mention it) Purely from a marketing perspective, it's still a smart move ofc. Really this must stop. The seeding is there for the players who make an effort to sacrifice what they are doing and go to Korea. It's a nice thing GOM decided to do for the foreign scene. Stop spitting in their face and whining. Just be happy they actually care about anyone outside of Korea. They could act just like BW and not give a rats ass. People disgust me. 1. It's not because you're not in Korea that you wouldn't make the effort of coming to Korea if you got an A slot, obviously. 2. I seem to recall that it would be based on accomplishments. It's competition, results should be rewarded, not effort. 3. This system still doesn't care for anyone outside Korea, it's actually extremely close to a reward for assimilating to their scene. 4. Why would this be spitting in their face? Since when is there no longer such a thing as simply disagreeing? 5. I'm actually unhappy if this is how it's going to be. This almost only rewards team/player monetary resources. (and okay, the effort of moving to and living in Korea) Btw, not saying that the ones given the A slots wouldn't have qualified. (i either don't know or do believe they were likely to qualify) Also, the GomTV gaming house (if at least it will be as explained by John) is a good system then, since that actually does help those who have a decent shot at qualifying, but lack the resources for a prolonged stay, so i applaud gomtv for that. *edit* i'm okay if you don't agree, but at least try to understand my argument instead of just calling it spitting/whining.
The problem is your whole argument is based on assumptions. Without facts and some solid grounding an "argument" merely turns into whining. If you come back with some actual facts about how GOM went about this then yes you can argue all you like. You don't know if they didn't try anyone else, you don't know if anyone else approached them.
We know only see the surface of these things. My last comment was more a general thing. You always see people complaining about something in these tournament threads.
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On January 31 2011 05:01 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:55 Shorack wrote:On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:On January 31 2011 03:23 Shorack wrote:On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Wasn't that the whole point of it? That quality foreigners wouldn't need to go to Korea with the uncertainties about wether or not they'd acquire code A? If you have to be there, it's totally unfair: - towards the foreigners not there, but who are just as/more qualified than foreigners already there. (and willing to make the trip ofc). - towards the koreans, who have to prove their worth through qualifiers first. Until EG arrives there, it's getting close to: "let's give the liquid players some free tickets". Especially ret, he got dropped from code A and immediately gets in again immediately and basically for free? (i love seeying ret's play, but it wouldn't be fair not to mention it) Purely from a marketing perspective, it's still a smart move ofc. Really this must stop. The seeding is there for the players who make an effort to sacrifice what they are doing and go to Korea. It's a nice thing GOM decided to do for the foreign scene. Stop spitting in their face and whining. Just be happy they actually care about anyone outside of Korea. They could act just like BW and not give a rats ass. People disgust me. 1. It's not because you're not in Korea that you wouldn't make the effort of coming to Korea if you got an A slot, obviously. 2. I seem to recall that it would be based on accomplishments. It's competition, results should be rewarded, not effort. 3. This system still doesn't care for anyone outside Korea, it's actually extremely close to a reward for assimilating to their scene. 4. Why would this be spitting in their face? Since when is there no longer such a thing as simply disagreeing? 5. I'm actually unhappy if this is how it's going to be. This almost only rewards team/player monetary resources. (and okay, the effort of moving to and living in Korea) Btw, not saying that the ones given the A slots wouldn't have qualified. (i either don't know or do believe they were likely to qualify) Also, the GomTV gaming house (if at least it will be as explained by John) is a good system then, since that actually does help those who have a decent shot at qualifying, but lack the resources for a prolonged stay, so i applaud gomtv for that. *edit* i'm okay if you don't agree, but at least try to understand my argument instead of just calling it spitting/whining. The problem is your whole argument is based on assumptions. Without facts and some solid grounding an "argument" merely turns into whining. If you come back with some actual facts about how GOM went about this then yes you can argue all you like. You don't know if they didn't try anyone else, you don't know if anyone else approached them. We know only see the surface of these things.
Stop arguing and leave space for real posts regarding this please. I'm F5ing like crazy for qualifier updates.
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Don't think you'll get any more updates.
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On January 31 2011 03:55 Shorack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:On January 31 2011 03:23 Shorack wrote:On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Wasn't that the whole point of it? That quality foreigners wouldn't need to go to Korea with the uncertainties about wether or not they'd acquire code A? If you have to be there, it's totally unfair: - towards the foreigners not there, but who are just as/more qualified than foreigners already there. (and willing to make the trip ofc). - towards the koreans, who have to prove their worth through qualifiers first. Until EG arrives there, it's getting close to: "let's give the liquid players some free tickets". Especially ret, he got dropped from code A and immediately gets in again immediately and basically for free? (i love seeying ret's play, but it wouldn't be fair not to mention it) Purely from a marketing perspective, it's still a smart move ofc. Really this must stop. The seeding is there for the players who make an effort to sacrifice what they are doing and go to Korea. It's a nice thing GOM decided to do for the foreign scene. Stop spitting in their face and whining. Just be happy they actually care about anyone outside of Korea. They could act just like BW and not give a rats ass. People disgust me. 1. It's not because you're not in Korea that you wouldn't make the effort of coming to Korea if you got an A slot, obviously. 2. I seem to recall that it would be based on accomplishments. It's competition, results should be rewarded, not effort. 3. This system still doesn't care for anyone outside Korea, it's actually extremely close to a reward for assimilating to their scene. 4. Why would this be spitting in their face? Since when is there no longer such a thing as simply disagreeing? 5. I'm actually unhappy if this is how it's going to be. This almost only rewards team/player monetary resources. (and okay, the effort of moving to and living in Korea) Btw, not saying that the ones given the A slots wouldn't have qualified. (i either don't know or do believe they were likely to qualify) Also, the GomTV gaming house (if at least it will be as explained by John) is a good system then, since that actually does help those who have a decent shot at qualifying, but lack the resources for a prolonged stay, so i applaud gomtv for that. *edit* i'm okay if you don't agree, but at least try to understand my argument instead of just calling it spitting/whining.
Okay here's the thing, this is the first time they are doing it, it's obvious that to justify giving away the spots(to the korean fans and to the higher ups), they would want to give it to players that are familiar with the korean style of play and have proven some degree of success, on top of which those 4 players are all accomplished in some regard, all have either won tournaments or qualified for the GSL before, not sure on m00nglade's accomplishments but everything i hear is that he's a good player
Also i see a lot of people talking about why they didnt invite this player or that, given that's it's the middle of the season in EU, at least that was my impression from the demuslim quotes, meaning that none of those players would be that interested in going at this particular time anyway, as for the north american scene, well huk was invited and we was probably the most accomplished before he went to korea
I'm sure in the next few seasons that other players will get invited, i'm going to go out on a limb and say that i seriously doubt a guy that loses in the Ro32 in Code A, will get a free invite again back in, given the system they've devised. so starting with 4 of the guys that are in korea, and working away from that, i see no problem with
Also i'm sure gom wants some guarantee that the player will actually show up, and for the initial trial run through of this system, picking players that have committed to going to korea is a good idea
and don't even mention spades, he's got nothing on the 4 players picked i'd say
On January 31 2011 05:05 Bijan wrote:
Stop arguing and leave space for real posts regarding this please. I'm F5ing like crazy for qualifier updates.
why are you f5ing at 5:30 in the morning korean time, the quals have been over forever, we just have to wait for the thread to be finally updated, or search through it
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Nice zerg turnout but the lack of protoss is disappointing.
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