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On January 31 2011 02:34 Hoju wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 21:17 shannn wrote:Ok I have made the list of Code A players for GSL March. I am missing 1 person (not sure if Yeah is a person who qualified by that list bokchoi mentioned). So far we have. Don't know everyone's races so if anyone can help out. Qualified through code A qualifiers (12, should be 13 missing 1 person): CchapSeungEu  Alicia  Curious ST_Ace St_Virus ZeNEXCoCa IMLosira IMGanZi TSL_Pretty (RevivaL) MvPDog oGsSuperNova ZeNEXSakura Foreign invitees (4): Liquid`HuK Liquid`Ret Liquid`Haypro FXOmOOnGLaDe Current code A players (8): IMJunwi TSL_aLive TSL_Killer ST_Squirtle ST_August LonerPrime.WE SlayerSYuGiOh ButterflyEffect TBD code A players by code S regulation matches (1 spot of code S rest stays code A out of 8 players): FOXMoon LeenockfOu MakaPrime.WE PoltPrime.WE oGsJookTo oGsCezanne TSL_Rain SlayerSLegalMind Cchap Seung Eu and Alicia appear to be in SlayerS. And Curious is in StarTale. MvPDog, oGsSuperNova, ZeNEXSakura (aka Destination) are all Terran players (in case people were wondering why Terran didn't even have half of the qualified players, now they almost do  ) Source: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2583487 ( Translated page w/ Google Translate) Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 01:58 shannn wrote:
I'm pretty sure now that TL is sitting at 8th place since SlayerS team lost 1 player last GSL in the ro32 of code A. Meaning if GOM does not maintain the 8 member minimum rule. TL will participate in the GSTL. I hope GOM doesn't maintain this and thus we can see a foreign team in the GSTL. Should probably sent a mail and ask for this clarification. Not quite, 2 players qualified from SlayerS: Cchap Seung EU and Alicia. Combine that with YuGiOh and LegalMind (who might even get back into Code S) in Code A and BoxeR in Code S that would be 1*1.6 + 4*1 = 5.6. Liquid has 1 Code S and 3 Code A, so 1*1.6 + 3*1 = 4.6 Close, but not quite.
Ah thanks. I thought they were at 8th place because I didn't knew about Cchap and Alicia yet.
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Updated the list. Now we know all players and it's possible to make a list of points each team has for GSTL 2.
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Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans?
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can't wait to see the new and improved huk in action. From what i've seen on his bnet stream games, he seems to be a lot more solid now and he was pretty talented going to Korea anyways. Also excited to see haypro/ret/moonglade qualify as well, should make for some interesting games.
spades not qualifying was not all that surprising, he needs to practice in korea more, if he can refine his play better, i think he'll make code A soon too.
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I think a large part of it is that even though they haven't been competing in some of the huge lans they are the ones who are actually in Korea and are very good players. The people who have been taking the huge lans are not. White-Ra isn't there or he would have been in pretty much instantly and neither are Sjow, Socke, Naniwa, qxc or any of the other people that have been doing well lately
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On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans?
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On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans?
I'm repeating myself but I think there are quite reasonable explanations for this
Even assuming there were more deserving players available, the next GSL begins in two weeks so it would have been quite challenging to get the players there in time and allow them to have time to prepare. Furthermore there'll be 7 (I recall?) main tournaments this year so plenty of opportunities to invite other top foreigners. These other foreigners haven't already invested months into qualifying so while you may argue some of them could have been more deserving based on results, Huk/Haypro/Ret have sacrificed a lot to participate. They could have been in Europe/NA instead and winning/doing well in all these tournaments.
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On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there
Why would they need to be 'there' when they don't have to qualify? I thought the entire point of inviting players was to get skilled ppl that normally wouldn't be able to make it to Korea?
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Nice to see Haypr0 and HuK on the list not to forget Ret, and looking very much forward to see mOOnGlades performance ! Sad not to see Torch tho. Anywho FOREIGNERS FIGHTIIINGG!! GG to all in Code A
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On January 31 2011 03:14 revoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Why would they need to be 'there' when they don't have to qualify? I thought the entire point of inviting players was to get skilled ppl that normally wouldn't be able to make it to Korea?
No it was giving them a place to stay and a seed into code A. They had to go there themselves.
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On January 31 2011 03:12 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? I'm repeating myself but I think there are quite reasonable explanations for this Show nested quote +Even assuming there were more deserving players available, the next GSL begins in two weeks so it would have been quite challenging to get the players there in time and allow them to have time to prepare. Furthermore there'll be 7 (I recall?) main tournaments this year so plenty of opportunities to invite other top foreigners. These other foreigners haven't already invested months into qualifying so while you may argue some of them could have been more deserving based on results, Huk/Haypro/Ret have sacrificed a lot to participate. They could have been in Europe/NA instead and winning/doing well in all these tournaments.
Then they shouldn't choose the invitees at the last minute. Ret and Haypro are skilled enough to get into Code A on their own (HuK as well but since he won one MLG and placed top3 in another inviting him is a no brainer).
I thought GSL wanted to have more foreign exposure? It seems that there's always the same old faces competing...
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On January 31 2011 03:14 revoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Why would they need to be 'there' when they don't have to qualify? I thought the entire point of inviting players was to get skilled ppl that normally wouldn't be able to make it to Korea?
because qualifiers are now and there was no one else on that caliber rdy to go to korea now?
really i dont understand all the complaining about the invites. k youre favourite player didnt get it(good chance its because of himself and not gom). big deal. they have a business to run and its not like the invites are in any way bad.
artosis qualifying wouldve been fun. and sad for torch, soo clooose
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No, code A invites were based on KR ladder, so the highest rated foreigners on the KR ladder got invited. Thus, Torch didn't, but Huk, Haypro, ret, and Moonglade did.
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On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there
Wasn't that the whole point of it? That quality foreigners wouldn't need to go to Korea with the uncertainties about wether or not they'd acquire code A?
If you have to be there, it's totally unfair:
- towards the foreigners not there, but who are just as/more qualified than foreigners already there. (and willing to make the trip ofc).
- towards the koreans, who have to prove their worth through qualifiers first.
Until EG arrives there, it's getting close to: "let's give the liquid players some free tickets".
Especially ret, he got dropped from code A and immediately gets in again immediately and basically for free? (i love seeying ret's play, but it wouldn't be fair not to mention it)
Purely from a marketing perspective, it's still a smart move ofc.
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On January 31 2011 03:22 Gentleman7 wrote:
No, code A invites were based on KR ladder, so the highest rated foreigners on the KR ladder got invited. Thus, Torch didn't, but Huk, Haypro, ret, and Moonglade did.
So much for seeing top foreigners in any of the future GSLs then. This new system doesn't change anything at all except that now we also have ladder qualifiers.
Also I'm not bashing Ret and Haypro just saying there are more players that are also deserving an invite.
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On January 31 2011 03:23 Shorack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Wasn't that the whole point of it? That quality foreigners wouldn't need to go to Korea with the uncertainties about wether or not they'd acquire code A? If you have to be there, it's totally unfair: - towards the foreigners not there, but who are just as/more qualified than foreigners already there. (and willing to make the trip ofc). - towards the koreans, who have to prove their worth through qualifiers first. Until EG arrives there, it's getting close to: "let's give the liquid players some free tickets". Especially ret, he got dropped from code A and immediately gets in again immediately and basically for free? (i love seeying ret's play, but it wouldn't be fair not to mention it) Purely from a marketing perspective, it's still a smart move ofc.
Really this must stop. The seeding is there for the players who make an effort to sacrifice what they are doing and go to Korea. It's a nice thing GOM decided to do for the foreign scene. Stop spitting in their face and whining. Just be happy they actually care about anyone outside of Korea. They could act just like BW and not give a rats ass.
People disgust me.
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On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:
(...) Just be happy they actually care about anyone outside inside of Korea. (...)
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guys, stop feeding the trolls. haypro, ret, huk, and moonglade are excellent choices to get the automatic bid into code A. They earned it through hard work in the korean ladder and plus they have already moved to korea. I hope to see them go far in the tournament.
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On January 31 2011 03:20 revoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:12 syllogism wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? I'm repeating myself but I think there are quite reasonable explanations for this Even assuming there were more deserving players available, the next GSL begins in two weeks so it would have been quite challenging to get the players there in time and allow them to have time to prepare. Furthermore there'll be 7 (I recall?) main tournaments this year so plenty of opportunities to invite other top foreigners. These other foreigners haven't already invested months into qualifying so while you may argue some of them could have been more deserving based on results, Huk/Haypro/Ret have sacrificed a lot to participate. They could have been in Europe/NA instead and winning/doing well in all these tournaments. Then they shouldn't choose the invitees at the last minute. Ret and Haypro are skilled enough to get into Code A on their own (HuK as well but since he won one MLG and placed top3 in another inviting him is a no brainer). I thought GSL wanted to have more foreign exposure? It seems that there's always the same old faces competing...
Players shouldn't be penalized for putting extra effort into participating, ie. by temporarily moving there and practicing hard for months. Currently, it makes no sense financially for a top foreigner to do that as the foreigner tournaments provide a much more reliable source of revenue. Also you've to remember this invitation system and indeed the whole tournament structure is quite new and perhaps they weren't even sure if the foreigner house would be ready in time. Moreover, it's possible other players were considered, but either hadn't yet expressed interest, or already had other arrangements made for the time period. Finally, I'd once again like to stress there'll be many tournaments this year and thus plenty of chances to invite other good candidates.
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On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:23 Shorack wrote:On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Wasn't that the whole point of it? That quality foreigners wouldn't need to go to Korea with the uncertainties about wether or not they'd acquire code A? If you have to be there, it's totally unfair: - towards the foreigners not there, but who are just as/more qualified than foreigners already there. (and willing to make the trip ofc). - towards the koreans, who have to prove their worth through qualifiers first. Until EG arrives there, it's getting close to: "let's give the liquid players some free tickets". Especially ret, he got dropped from code A and immediately gets in again immediately and basically for free? (i love seeying ret's play, but it wouldn't be fair not to mention it) Purely from a marketing perspective, it's still a smart move ofc. Really this must stop. The seeding is there for the players who make an effort to sacrifice what they are doing and go to Korea.
I will respond with someone elses quote.
On January 31 2011 03:14 revoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 03:09 mprs wrote:On January 31 2011 03:02 revoN wrote:
Although it's nice to see all Liquid members that are currently in Korea getting into Code A (and S) I'm surprised that Ret and Haypro got a direct invite. What about players that actually won or placed high in major international lans? They were not there Why would they need to be 'there' when they don't have to qualify? I thought the entire point of inviting players was to get skilled ppl that normally wouldn't be able to make it to Korea?
I like the above quote because that is what I also thought the point was. Pro gamers can't just say "hey I'm going to go to fly across the world to a huge tournament hoping that I will win so that I don't lose money from the plane tickets and living expenses" because it is a huge risk. Do you honestly think this is the best way to incorporate the best players from around the world? I am not even hating on these players and saying they are worse, but clearly it was just for convenience sake. I think it would be cool to see players like Dimaga, Mana or WhiteRa competing in the GSL.
On January 31 2011 03:27 Numy wrote:
It's a nice thing GOM decided to do for the foreign scene. Stop spitting in their face and whining. Just be happy they actually care about anyone outside of Korea. They could act just like BW and not give a rats ass.
People disgust me.
Lmao... that is flawed logic. Basically what you are saying is "hey look they are trying" but by that logic if they pay Brat_OK 5 dollars to fly down and compete in the GSL you could say "look they are trying to help foreign players" but what it comes down to is how much. If this is an international event hosted by Blizzard, I think a reasonable about of money should be invested in having people from all around the world competing in the tournament.
That's just my opinion and I am not saying what they are doing is terrible (it's obviously not), but you can't possibly think this is the best they can do and farthest they should go to get the best players from around the world into Korea.
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