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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
 TSL_Rain played well there. Congrats to him, I do not hate him or the terran race, and I'm a protoss.However, this is why I find playing protoss extremely hard sometimes. You need to build exacly right things to even survive. There is no "middle ground", or a "safe route". | ||
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Teeny
Austria885 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:45 Orpheusz wrote: Cannons being as effective as bunkers or spines would help also. They can shoot both up and down and are already much stronger than spines and bunkers require units to fill them. That really isn't a problem, cannon is the strongest static def. | ||
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Orpheusz
Australia210 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:47 Shikyo wrote: They can shoot both up and down and are already much stronger than spines and bunkers require units to fill them. That really isn't a problem, cannon is the strongest static def. How often do you see cannons used in PvT where we probably need them most? | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:42 Shikyo wrote: He only needed to get the Nexus and set up a contain, that was almost guaranteed to happen. He didn't need to kill the P right away, in my opinion. It was a timing attack to hit the Protoss expansion, yes, but that doesn't make it an all-in. He could have expanded just fine after taking out the Nexus and forcing Genius up his ramp. well no shit. wtf is your definition of an all in? Inflict game ending damage or LOSE. his build hard counters FE colossus build so yeah no shit it was guaranteed success but its not like he KNEW that when he began executing his all in build | ||
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Pills
206 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:43 flodeskum wrote: I listen to every SOTG but I don't remember hearing that. However I would agree with idra there, genius has been seen as some uber-strong toss because he won at blizzcon but he's never really been that impressing. He would have lost to the same push in the ro64 if the terran hadn't butchered the execution. Also, his face annoys me. I forget exactly which SOTG it was, but they definitely talked about that. It was during their discussion of who the best Protoss in the world was, and how they were underrepresented during the GSL. | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
i dont want to theorycraft, just saying him assuming cloaked banshees cost him. cloaked banshees and what rain did are very different Thats the problem. How can he NOT assume cloaked banshees? Its the reason he went robo in the first place =/ | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:42 Orpheusz wrote: If he sits up on his base he's pretty much giving up his expo and asking to get contained, putting himself in a very disadvantageous position anyway. Might've been the better choice, might've not been but it would've been very hard either way. I realize this. But with a second collosus there and the uphill position, he would have made it the Terran 10 times more difficult. If the T decides to contain and destroy the expansion, then he is going to be in a position where he cant reinforces his army AND can't hit protoss his main base. Which means ANOTHER collosus and all his other buildings unharmed. If Genius attacked THEN, with 4 collosus and 5 probes as cannon flodder. He would have destroyed the Terran. But I make mistakes like this 15 times in a game. Make this mistake once in GLS and it is over. Especially against an all-in. I think we will have to wait 1 year till the players have perfect mekanisms, all-ins will be very very rare then. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:48 billyX333 wrote: well no shit. wtf is your definition of an all in? Inflict game ending damage or LOSE. his build hard counters FE colossus build so yeah no shit it was guaranteed success but its not like he KNEW that when he began executing his all in build My definition is such that a timing attack against an expansion isn't an all-in, and how is going back to even bases "game-ending damage"? Like, a Terran can midgame-push a Zerg's third off 2 bases and have great chances to take it out... it's not an all-in. It's just a timing attack. Sigh. What was the worst-case scenario? He was pretty much guaranteed to cut the ramp circulation off and hence be able to take the natural out, even if he after that got broken, he'd have been totally fine. But sure, feel free to think that every timing attack that doesn't expand before 5 minutes is all-in if it makes you feel good. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:47 Piledriver wrote: Queue terran retards saying 1 base void rays are key to defeating this strategy. (Even though a void ray costs almost twice as much as a banshee but has only 80% of its dps). Well.. to be completely honest 1 base VR holds the raven cheeses really well  I say this as a Protoss user as well | ||
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SKtheAnathema
United States885 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:48 andrewwiggin wrote: Thats the problem. How can he NOT assume cloaked banshees? Its the reason he went robo in the first place =/ nono i meant when he used the observer to scout and saw a banshee pop, tech lab factory. i THINK he went straight home with the obs instead of hanging around to see what else rain was doing. i don't know if he would've held it off even if he did know, but i think he would've positioned better pre-attack. | ||
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
They don't have to practice PvP. They have better chance of winning a lottery than advancing in gsl ; ) In all seriousness P has worst results in gsls and you have fewest Ps in top 200 (constantly dropping since last patch). Why is that the case I don't really know but I feel bad for them just like I felt bad for Zergs in gsl1. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
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Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:50 Koshi wrote: I realize this. But with a second collosus there and the uphill position, he would have made it the Terran 10 times more difficult. If the T decides to contain and destroy the expansion, then he is going to be in a position where he cant reinforces his army AND can't hit protoss his main base. Which means ANOTHER collosus and all his other buildings unharmed. If Genius attacked THEN, with 4 collosus and 5 probes as cannon flodder. He would have destroyed the Terran. But I make mistakes like this 15 times in a game. Make this mistake once in GLS and it is over. Especially against an all-in. I think we will have to wait 1 year till the players have perfect mekanisms, all-ins will be very very rare then. Wait another year and this will be a 2 race game.+ Show Spoiler + (Already is) | ||
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Orpheusz
Australia210 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:52 SKtheAnathema wrote: nono i meant when he used the observer to scout and saw a banshee pop, tech lab factory. i THINK he went straight home with the obs instead of hanging around to see what else rain was doing. i don't know if he would've held it off even if he did know, but i think he would've positioned better pre-attack. He probably could've stuck around a BIT longer but afaik you can't tell whether or not the tech lab is researching (unless they changed this a while ago haven't really bothered paying attention ) | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On November 26 2010 21:41 STenSatsu wrote: Since when do chargelots and immortals shoot up? Cause there were 3 banshees and a PDD in that army too if you missed it. At the risk of feeding the trolls, I'll explain something to you that most people already know: tanks do more damage than banshees. They also die faster than banshees to a good army composition. You only need about 6 chargelots and 3 immortals, which Genius easily could have had instead of investing into colossi and excess probes. Imagine if those 3 gimp colossi were 6 chargelots and +2 immortals. Yeah. He'll even have some gas for sentries left over. | ||
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Reminiscence
Singapore34 Posts
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Yrq
Iceland88 Posts
if the techlab would show if it was upgrading anything, like, spin or anything like all other structures do. this would also help in mindgames vs all races, that they think your going something but your actually not, or cancel, or anything like that. the only downside (and a upside for balance and observers excitement) would be that people would try to snipe the techlabs building some upgrades. (I dont see this as a big problem since most upgrades in the techlab take a very short time to finish). thoughts? | ||
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