EPT[GSL] S3 Ro32 Day 1 - Page 85
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spacemonkeyy
Australia477 Posts
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k20
United States342 Posts
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MiNDtriX
Sweden146 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:13 MiNDtriX wrote: How the f¨*ck can you even imply nerfing marines? Terran is the most unpowered race out there is right now. Protoss might be doing semi-bad in the GSL for the moment. but it's 100% due to few P qualifying to ro64 .. Althought i agree that i don't think marines need a nerf there is so much wrong with what you said in your post that it made me lol. 1) Terran is the most UP race at the moment. 2) Basing your view of Protoss on the number that qualified.. that doesn't prove anything - you could just as well say so few P's qualified because marines are OP or P is UP. Anyway - no more balance talk please, it is really annoying  | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
Back to GSL talk, Nestea's Ling micro was the best I have ever seen in sc2 so far. Sen didn't play badly, and both games were fairly close, but it was still clear that Nestea is the better player, at least in ZvZ. Tough luck for Sen. | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
I still have hope for Protoss though. TSL GuineaPig is still alive. Now if he loses, I will go berserk and will be 100% convinced that Protoss needs a buff or a change in its tech tree to make it easier for them to get an observer out. | ||
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MDew
United States256 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:34 Sein wrote: The reason why marine build time, reactor build time, and scv hp all got nerfed was the early scv+marine "cheese rush" that was rampant in Korea during early beta. It's impressive how it's still so effective after all those nerfs as well as the recent supply depot/rax change. Back to GSL talk, Nestea's Ling micro was the best I have ever seen in sc2 so far. Sen didn't play badly, and both games were fairly close, but it was still clear that Nestea is the better player, at least in ZvZ. Tough luck for Sen. Do note that Sen 1. Was the attacker in both games 2. Almost won both games. When you take into consideration that in ZvZ, whoever ATTACKS has to play better, considering the massive advantage you get when defending, that NesTea may not be better, but had better results in THAT series. If NesTea attacked Sen instead, I think the outcome might have been the opposite. Being able to reinforce your army instantly as opposed to traveling across the map is massive. | ||
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IntoTheBush
United States552 Posts
go maka, sen, genius, and golden! The fOu team is soooo solid its awesome! | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:13 MiNDtriX wrote: How the f¨*ck can you even imply nerfing marines? Terran is the most unpowered race out there is right now. Protoss might be doing semi-bad in the GSL for the moment. but it's 100% due to few P qualifying to ro64 .. And by logical extension few Protoss qualify for ro64 because they suck. Same reason very few are in top 10 on ladders. Race got to many nerfs. Everyone knows this. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:54 AndAgain wrote: The thing about game 1 is that it's really difficult to go against marine+SCV. Correct me I'm wrong, but I think SCVs can take 5 stalker shots, 3 zealot shots, and 9 sentry shots. Plus they build/repair bunkers. Marines have a high DPS, but low HP. The SCV tank nullifies their low HP. It was really weird when Rain was coming with all those marines and SCV and Tastosis were saying how Genius was in a good position while he only had 2 stalkers. It's obvious that they know relatively little about how protoss works. He was in a good position because warp gate was almost finishing, a third stalker was coming out, and Rain only had 2 marines heading towards Genius's base. If Genius was able to save that third stalker and snipe the two marines coming with the SCVs, rather than getting his third stalker surrounded, and pulled his two other stalkers to the front earlier, he might have been able to hold. By pulling probes to engage the scvs, he could allow his stalkers to engage the marines and in a straight up marine v. stalker batter the stalkers easily win. Not only that, but Genius allowed the bunker to go up, which essentially spells gg. Long story short, Genius could've held, but bad positioning of his initial two stalkers, along with what I believe was a rally error with his third stalker cost him the game. EDIT @ Mindtrix: LOL how the hell is Terran the most UP race atm; I hope you're trolling. | ||
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loafmaster
United States203 Posts
On November 27 2010 15:14 MDew wrote: Do note that Sen 1. Was the attacker in both games 2. Almost won both games. When you take into consideration that in ZvZ, whoever ATTACKS has to play better, considering the massive advantage you get when defending, that NesTea may not be better, but had better results in THAT series. If NesTea attacked Sen instead, I think the outcome might have been the opposite. Being able to reinforce your army instantly as opposed to traveling across the map is massive. This isn't really a valid point. You can say the defender has the advantage for ANY matchup. Also the attacker has its own advantages such as dictating when the battle is going to happen (IE in game 1, sen got quick banes and attacked before nestea had banes), and potential element of surprise (IE: slipping through defense to harass drones). I actually find in ZvZ its usually advantageous to attack first. In other words, Sen's BO was designed for him to be the aggressor. It doesn't make sense to say that if Nestea attacked Sen instead, the outcome would be different. Sen played great though, but Nestea just played better. | ||
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
![[image loading]](https://s3.amazonaws.com/summerloud/sc2reps/stats.jpg) some interesting stats: - zerg is 0-4 vs terran on jungle basin and 1-5 on delta quadrant - pvt is the shortest matchup on average, tvt obviously the longest - games on blistering sands and steppes of war are less than 10 minutes on average although of course the sample size is very small | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On November 27 2010 12:19 spacemonkeyy wrote: Tastosis are so zerg/terran biased its not even funny. Tasteless plays Protoss btw. | ||
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
Tasteless plays terran. | ||
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Balfazar
Australia483 Posts
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Eminent Rising
United States174 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:13 MiNDtriX wrote: How the f¨*ck can you even imply nerfing marines? Terran is the most unpowered race out there is right now. Protoss might be doing semi-bad in the GSL for the moment. but it's 100% due to few P qualifying to ro64 .. terran up??? lol. u must not play a lot of starcraft or dont understand wut ur watching. | ||
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psycow
55 Posts
On November 28 2010 02:10 summerloud wrote: if anyone is interested: i made an excel spreadsheet with stats and game summaries cuz im an excel nerd some interesting stats: - zerg is 0-4 vs terran on jungle basin and 1-5 on delta quadrant - pvt is the shortest matchup on average, tvt obviously the longest - games on blistering sands and steppes of war are less than 10 minutes on average although of course the sample size is very small Nice tables, once again showing how short these games are. SC2 in one sentence: 가위 바위 보! GG | ||
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hallx
Pakistan163 Posts
Tasteless plays? O.o | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Tasteless doesn't play sc2. | ||
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