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spacemonkeyy
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia477 Posts
November 27 2010 03:19 GMT
#1681
Tastosis are so zerg/terran biased its not even funny.
k20
Profile Joined September 2010
United States342 Posts
November 27 2010 03:30 GMT
#1682
it is kind of funny!
MiNDtriX
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden146 Posts
November 27 2010 04:13 GMT
#1683
How the f¨*ck can you even imply nerfing marines? Terran is the most unpowered race out there is right now. Protoss might be doing semi-bad in the GSL for the moment. but it's 100% due to few P qualifying to ro64 ..
I don't rap about bitches and hoes. I rap about witches and trolls.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
November 27 2010 04:17 GMT
#1684
On November 27 2010 13:13 MiNDtriX wrote:
How the f¨*ck can you even imply nerfing marines? Terran is the most unpowered race out there is right now. Protoss might be doing semi-bad in the GSL for the moment. but it's 100% due to few P qualifying to ro64 ..


Althought i agree that i don't think marines need a nerf there is so much wrong with what you said in your post that it made me lol.

1) Terran is the most UP race at the moment.
2) Basing your view of Protoss on the number that qualified.. that doesn't prove anything - you could just as well say so few P's qualified because marines are OP or P is UP.

Anyway - no more balance talk please, it is really annoying
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
November 27 2010 04:34 GMT
#1685
The reason why marine build time, reactor build time, and scv hp all got nerfed was the early scv+marine "cheese rush" that was rampant in Korea during early beta. It's impressive how it's still so effective after all those nerfs as well as the recent supply depot/rax change.

Back to GSL talk, Nestea's Ling micro was the best I have ever seen in sc2 so far. Sen didn't play badly, and both games were fairly close, but it was still clear that Nestea is the better player, at least in ZvZ. Tough luck for Sen.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 06:07:31
November 27 2010 06:06 GMT
#1686
Genius made some mistakes in the second game and made a crucial one in the first game. But even without the mistakes in game 2, he would most likely lose. Genius scouted everything and responded very well. Getting stalkers at the back and getting colossi as he saw many marines. Yea, he could have gotten that last colossus out but honestly, you think that ONE colossus would be able to do enough damage against all those tanks and SCVs on auto repair with banshees as well? TSL Rain just did A+Left Click and then managed his banshees while Genius has to pull off 600+ APM micro to be able to survive that. That kind of difficulty is what damages the Protoss a lot because it's the most micro-intensive race in the game IMO where one slip up usually costs you the game whereas Zerg and Terran can make a couple mistakes and still be in the game. Honestly, what could Genius actually do in order to fend that off and not suffer a lot? Only thing that pops up would be to completely switch his tech to Phoenix+Void Rays+Stalkers or two of the three.

I still have hope for Protoss though. TSL GuineaPig is still alive. Now if he loses, I will go berserk and will be 100% convinced that Protoss needs a buff or a change in its tech tree to make it easier for them to get an observer out.
MDew
Profile Joined November 2010
United States256 Posts
November 27 2010 06:14 GMT
#1687
On November 27 2010 13:34 Sein wrote:
The reason why marine build time, reactor build time, and scv hp all got nerfed was the early scv+marine "cheese rush" that was rampant in Korea during early beta. It's impressive how it's still so effective after all those nerfs as well as the recent supply depot/rax change.

Back to GSL talk, Nestea's Ling micro was the best I have ever seen in sc2 so far. Sen didn't play badly, and both games were fairly close, but it was still clear that Nestea is the better player, at least in ZvZ. Tough luck for Sen.


Do note that Sen

1. Was the attacker in both games

2. Almost won both games.

When you take into consideration that in ZvZ, whoever ATTACKS has to play better, considering the massive advantage you get when defending, that NesTea may not be better, but had better results in THAT series.

If NesTea attacked Sen instead, I think the outcome might have been the opposite. Being able to reinforce your army instantly as opposed to traveling across the map is massive.
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
November 27 2010 06:33 GMT
#1688
o yay! i cant wait for it to NOT work for me! cant watch vods or live streams. Hopefully they reply to my email about a refund.

go maka, sen, genius, and golden! The fOu team is soooo solid its awesome!
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 07:27:05
November 27 2010 07:26 GMT
#1689
On November 27 2010 13:13 MiNDtriX wrote:
How the f¨*ck can you even imply nerfing marines? Terran is the most unpowered race out there is right now. Protoss might be doing semi-bad in the GSL for the moment. but it's 100% due to few P qualifying to ro64 ..

And by logical extension few Protoss qualify for ro64 because they suck. Same reason very few are in top 10 on ladders. Race got to many nerfs. Everyone knows this.

MC for president
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 08:28:32
November 27 2010 08:27 GMT
#1690
On November 27 2010 11:54 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 06:37 AlexDeLarge wrote:
Why is everybody talking about game 2 only? It was game 1 that Genius should have won after scouting proxy. But he had horrible micro, and got caught with his stalkers in 2 places by the marine/scv push. Normally if you scout that as toss its 90% win. He also got probes out in the fight way too late, after most of his stalkers died.

If he would have won game 1, it would be a totally different story i'm sure. His morale, confidence everything would have shifted towards the rest of the series.

My guess is he let protoss UP discussions get into his head and didn't focus on winning regardless of balance. Or he just had a bad day. Sad though, wished for more protoss to advance.



The thing about game 1 is that it's really difficult to go against marine+SCV. Correct me I'm wrong, but I think SCVs can take 5 stalker shots, 3 zealot shots, and 9 sentry shots. Plus they build/repair bunkers. Marines have a high DPS, but low HP. The SCV tank nullifies their low HP.

It was really weird when Rain was coming with all those marines and SCV and Tastosis were saying how Genius was in a good position while he only had 2 stalkers. It's obvious that they know relatively little about how protoss works.

He was in a good position because warp gate was almost finishing, a third stalker was coming out, and Rain only had 2 marines heading towards Genius's base. If Genius was able to save that third stalker and snipe the two marines coming with the SCVs, rather than getting his third stalker surrounded, and pulled his two other stalkers to the front earlier, he might have been able to hold. By pulling probes to engage the scvs, he could allow his stalkers to engage the marines and in a straight up marine v. stalker batter the stalkers easily win. Not only that, but Genius allowed the bunker to go up, which essentially spells gg.

Long story short, Genius could've held, but bad positioning of his initial two stalkers, along with what I believe was a rally error with his third stalker cost him the game.

EDIT @ Mindtrix: LOL how the hell is Terran the most UP race atm; I hope you're trolling.
loafmaster
Profile Joined August 2006
United States203 Posts
November 27 2010 09:01 GMT
#1691
On November 27 2010 15:14 MDew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 13:34 Sein wrote:
The reason why marine build time, reactor build time, and scv hp all got nerfed was the early scv+marine "cheese rush" that was rampant in Korea during early beta. It's impressive how it's still so effective after all those nerfs as well as the recent supply depot/rax change.

Back to GSL talk, Nestea's Ling micro was the best I have ever seen in sc2 so far. Sen didn't play badly, and both games were fairly close, but it was still clear that Nestea is the better player, at least in ZvZ. Tough luck for Sen.


Do note that Sen

1. Was the attacker in both games

2. Almost won both games.

When you take into consideration that in ZvZ, whoever ATTACKS has to play better, considering the massive advantage you get when defending, that NesTea may not be better, but had better results in THAT series.

If NesTea attacked Sen instead, I think the outcome might have been the opposite. Being able to reinforce your army instantly as opposed to traveling across the map is massive.


This isn't really a valid point. You can say the defender has the advantage for ANY matchup. Also the attacker has its own advantages such as dictating when the battle is going to happen (IE in game 1, sen got quick banes and attacked before nestea had banes), and potential element of surprise (IE: slipping through defense to harass drones). I actually find in ZvZ its usually advantageous to attack first.

In other words, Sen's BO was designed for him to be the aggressor. It doesn't make sense to say that if Nestea attacked Sen instead, the outcome would be different. Sen played great though, but Nestea just played better.
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
November 27 2010 17:10 GMT
#1692
if anyone is interested: i made an excel spreadsheet with stats and game summaries cuz im an excel nerd

[image loading]

some interesting stats:

- zerg is 0-4 vs terran on jungle basin and 1-5 on delta quadrant
- pvt is the shortest matchup on average, tvt obviously the longest
- games on blistering sands and steppes of war are less than 10 minutes on average

although of course the sample size is very small
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
November 27 2010 17:15 GMT
#1693
On November 27 2010 12:19 spacemonkeyy wrote:
Tastosis are so zerg/terran biased its not even funny.

Tasteless plays Protoss btw.
the farm ends here
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
November 27 2010 17:56 GMT
#1694
On November 28 2010 02:15 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 12:19 spacemonkeyy wrote:
Tastosis are so zerg/terran biased its not even funny.

Tasteless plays Protoss btw.

Tasteless plays terran.
Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
November 27 2010 23:26 GMT
#1695
Yeah you used to get a lot of snide comments from Artosis before the zerg-buff, because he played zerg, but you get nothing of the sort while protoss is getting exposed and destroyed left and right.
Eminent Rising
Profile Joined October 2010
United States174 Posts
November 27 2010 23:40 GMT
#1696
On November 27 2010 13:13 MiNDtriX wrote:
How the f¨*ck can you even imply nerfing marines? Terran is the most unpowered race out there is right now. Protoss might be doing semi-bad in the GSL for the moment. but it's 100% due to few P qualifying to ro64 ..

terran up??? lol. u must not play a lot of starcraft or dont understand wut ur watching.
Momento Mori
psycow
Profile Joined October 2010
55 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 09:01:21
November 28 2010 00:31 GMT
#1697
On November 28 2010 02:10 summerloud wrote:
if anyone is interested: i made an excel spreadsheet with stats and game summaries cuz im an excel nerd

[image loading]

some interesting stats:

- zerg is 0-4 vs terran on jungle basin and 1-5 on delta quadrant
- pvt is the shortest matchup on average, tvt obviously the longest
- games on blistering sands and steppes of war are less than 10 minutes on average

although of course the sample size is very small


Nice tables, once again showing how short these games are.

SC2 in one sentence: 가위 바위 보! GG
hallx
Profile Joined November 2010
Pakistan163 Posts
November 29 2010 07:25 GMT
#1698
On November 28 2010 02:56 HeroHenry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 02:15 PartyBiscuit wrote:
On November 27 2010 12:19 spacemonkeyy wrote:
Tastosis are so zerg/terran biased its not even funny.

Tasteless plays Protoss btw.

Tasteless plays terran.


Tasteless plays? O.o
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 29 2010 07:30 GMT
#1699
On November 28 2010 02:56 HeroHenry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 02:15 PartyBiscuit wrote:
On November 27 2010 12:19 spacemonkeyy wrote:
Tastosis are so zerg/terran biased its not even funny.

Tasteless plays Protoss btw.

Tasteless plays terran.

Tasteless doesn't play sc2.
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