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EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
November 22 2010 22:51 GMT
#3201
nice game from sen, glad he keeps going!
if play random i can't call any race imba?
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
November 22 2010 22:53 GMT
#3202
On November 23 2010 07:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
lol being maxed is not an excuse for having too many minerals... hitting 200 should coincide with an attack. but there are some situations where having thousands of minerals isn't a significant mistake. they are just kinda rare on shakuras


I think he was just banking so that when his army died he could just instant rebuild wasn't he? I mean, he lost a ton of stuff and replenished it fairly quickly from what I saw anyways. Since he had so many vikings i think ^^
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Hurfdurf
Profile Joined November 2010
United States45 Posts
November 22 2010 22:53 GMT
#3203
I haven't seen Sen's games so sorry for misinterpreting D: I really need to buy my ticket already!
The only thing that shuts my pie hole is pie.
Hurfdurf
Profile Joined November 2010
United States45 Posts
November 22 2010 22:53 GMT
#3204
On November 23 2010 07:53 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 07:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
lol being maxed is not an excuse for having too many minerals... hitting 200 should coincide with an attack. but there are some situations where having thousands of minerals isn't a significant mistake. they are just kinda rare on shakuras


I think he was just banking so that when his army died he could just instant rebuild wasn't he? I mean, he lost a ton of stuff and replenished it fairly quickly from what I saw anyways. Since he had so many vikings i think ^^


300 food push :3
The only thing that shuts my pie hole is pie.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
November 22 2010 22:54 GMT
#3205
On November 23 2010 07:53 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 07:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
lol being maxed is not an excuse for having too many minerals... hitting 200 should coincide with an attack. but there are some situations where having thousands of minerals isn't a significant mistake. they are just kinda rare on shakuras


I think he was just banking so that when his army died he could just instant rebuild wasn't he? I mean, he lost a ton of stuff and replenished it fairly quickly from what I saw anyways. Since he had so many vikings i think ^^

dunno i dont watch trash play sc2
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Toriko
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada60 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 23:04:08
November 22 2010 22:58 GMT
#3206
On November 23 2010 06:23 teacash wrote:
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On November 23 2010 05:54 Toriko wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:08 Zzoram wrote:
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On November 23 2010 01:44 Madder wrote:
On November 23 2010 01:26 Siwa wrote:
does tasteless even play starcraft 2? seriously he didn't even know desert oasis is not in the map pool.. jisus

I'm pretty sure he was joking.. I hope, lol.

Anyways, awesome games for a season opener. Hope Jys comes back next season.


Tasteless often seems clueless about things he should know. How can it be that they're paid commentators but often get details about their tournament wrong? Tasteless doesn't even seem to know how to use a lot of the observer functions or at least forgets to even after months on the job. There is no excuse for not always leaving on the production tab unless he wants to switch briefly to check something else like unit count, army value, or income.

It looks unprofessional when a players hidden proxy tech midgame catches the observer by surprise because he didn't have the production tab open. Just last season I recall a voidray coming from offscreen but due to no production tab and not looking around the bases we didn't even see a Stargate.

Tasteless is fun to listen to but I hope he and artosis actually practice some observing off the job so they can improve their live observing.


I totally agree. Sometimes I just can't believe their lack of unprofessionalism, on live TV!! When they miss something once in a while, that's understandable, mistakes happen. But when it happens so often, it gives the impression that they (mainly Tasteless) don't understand the game at all. Up until now, I haven't heard Tasteless add insightful comments. Give your brother a call, he'll help you out.

Other comments or examples of unprofessionalism:
- Tasteless gargling powerade, like wtf?
- Nobody wants to hear the same thing over and over again about the supply depot placed next to the refinery or behind the mineral lines, we get it
- Stop calling viewers noobs
- Obvious biased commentary
- First season, Tasteless asked Artosis what the hotkey for the production tab was. As far as i know, it's not that hard to learn what the few hotkeys are, especially when you are paid to commentate!
- Artosis kept calling BoxeR "Fake Boxer" in his face, which i find pretty insulting. He's got skills, he can use the ID BoxeR if he wants. Seriously though, who wants to use an ID with Fake in it?
- Shameless EG or handsomenerds plugs. Can they do that? lol Either way i don't like it. Seems like tasteless cares about everything but to give great commentary for GSL. I know he's working hard to find a house in Korea for EG, but if I was in his shoes, i'd make GSL and learning the game my top priority. Not fired for lack of professionalism > finding a house, any day of the week for me. I just don't see how he benefits from staying on team EG, based on his understanding of the game, he's probably just an average player.
- and so on lol, can't remember everything.

anyways, just posting this and hoping that tastosis do see it, I like them but anymore of this bs and i'll be hoping that they get replaced.


Armchair nitpicking Toriko, thx very creative.
I hate to even touch this debate, but it's just too easy to show that so many of your points are BS and really stretching the limits of reality..
1st pt: Tasteless has to multitask on live TV, observing and commentating. Not easy by any measure. Oh, did you also ever hear of "Dyslexia"? . he has that too, k thxbye.
2nd pt: he doesn't "call viewers noobs", he merely makes statements directed towards the noobs that watch.. it's very important to make GSL as accessible as possible to new audiences, and yeah that requires rehashing things you and I have heard 20x before.. so what ?
3rd pt: he's probably ENCOURAGED to chug powerade on the air, as they are a sponsor and it is more effective marketing to see him drinking it rather than just have the bottle sitting next to his monitor all throughout the broadcast..
4th pt: who says a bit of bias is a bad thing? this isn't a friggin CNN news program or a political show.. when you watch a yankees game on the Yes network, those announcers are lifelong Yanks fans.. And I'd probably rather somebody who takes a liking to players rather than treats them like numbers and sets of accomplishments.. get over it
5th pt: Fake Boxer is not inherently a defamation.. it's just a stone cold observation of the fact that he chose to use a well-known ID that belonged to someone else, and it's necessary to say something to distinguish them.
6th pt: OMG tasteless forgot / didn't know an important hotkey at one point? fire him on the spot! It's not like he was HDstarcraft, casting 15 games a week since Beta was released.. He was a broodwar caster until GSL started..
7th pt: OMG he plugs his own clan like 4-5 times a season?!?! (depending on how far EGIdra makes it). You really are desperate for reasons to dislike this guy, aren't you... It's not like he's plugging EG's sponsors.. And yeah they plug HandsomeNerd because they can.. If the oversight allows it, then why not? There's nothing ethically wrong with that. Just because it wouldnt happen on a standard american news program or sports broadcast doesnt mean it's some insane morally wrong absurdity..


So what do we conclude from all this? (aside from the fact that your points are all flimsy and you're grasping at straws)
Well sir, that it's bloody E-sports! not ESPN2 with a finicky production team all trying to please the bosses and move up the ladder.

What a joke your post is, Toriko.
Nice try son. Better luck with your 30th post than with your 15th.


Not nitpicking at all. I'd say the one nitpicking is you. I said i like them, I just wish they were a bit more professional.

1- I can't remember which game they were casting, but Tasteless did gargle. Not drink it, GARGLE! It's entirely different. Even Artosis made a comment about that.

2- Someone said he called viewers newbs instead of noobs. fair enough my bad.

3- Also I know Tasteless has to multitask, and i said that it's understandable if he misses a few things. But as far as commentating goes, he hasn't said anything insightful as far as i can remember. Sure i haven't watched all the game, but i did watch a lot of them. If I'm wrong, fine whatever. Doesn't mean he shouldn't improve his knowledge about the game.

4- Everyone has different opinions on whether bias is good or bad. i personally thinks it's bad. Why are you getting so worked up? How many times have you heard Artosis make comments (directly or indirectly) about Terran being overpowered in season 1? What does he say about zerg now? nothing? just because he's a zerg player?

5- About fake boxer, just a personal opinion. Plus when i saw the interviews with Artosis telling him about foreigners wanting him to change his name to Foxer, I don't think he was too overjoyed about it, based on his facial expression. Again, just a personal opinion. You may interpret it differently, good for you.

6- Tasteless forgetting about a hotkey is a pretty big deal to me. He's being paid to do that! It showed that he hasn't done any effort to prepare for the job.

7- I did ask if he was allowed to plug EG and handsomenerds. If you knew how to read, you could just say "yes" and end it. I don't think i can take your comments very seriously.

Anyways, just replying to your post to make my point clear: MY OPINION is that Tastosis could show more professionalism. That's all. This will be my last post about their commentating.

You can have the last word. Enjoy!
ch0c0b0fr34k
Profile Joined October 2010
United States452 Posts
November 22 2010 22:59 GMT
#3207
O_O wow that's harsh..
Pew pew!
teacash
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 23:04:20
November 22 2010 23:04 GMT
#3208
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 23 2010 07:58 Toriko wrote:
On November 23 2010 06:23 teacash wrote:
Show nested quote +
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 23 2010 05:54 Toriko wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:08 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 01:44 Madder wrote:
On November 23 2010 01:26 Siwa wrote:
does tasteless even play starcraft 2? seriously he didn't even know desert oasis is not in the map pool.. jisus

I'm pretty sure he was joking.. I hope, lol.

Anyways, awesome games for a season opener. Hope Jys comes back next season.


Tasteless often seems clueless about things he should know. How can it be that they're paid commentators but often get details about their tournament wrong? Tasteless doesn't even seem to know how to use a lot of the observer functions or at least forgets to even after months on the job. There is no excuse for not always leaving on the production tab unless he wants to switch briefly to check something else like unit count, army value, or income.

It looks unprofessional when a players hidden proxy tech midgame catches the observer by surprise because he didn't have the production tab open. Just last season I recall a voidray coming from offscreen but due to no production tab and not looking around the bases we didn't even see a Stargate.

Tasteless is fun to listen to but I hope he and artosis actually practice some observing off the job so they can improve their live observing.


I totally agree. Sometimes I just can't believe their lack of unprofessionalism, on live TV!! When they miss something once in a while, that's understandable, mistakes happen. But when it happens so often, it gives the impression that they (mainly Tasteless) don't understand the game at all. Up until now, I haven't heard Tasteless add insightful comments. Give your brother a call, he'll help you out.

Other comments or examples of unprofessionalism:
- Tasteless gargling powerade, like wtf?
- Nobody wants to hear the same thing over and over again about the supply depot placed next to the refinery or behind the mineral lines, we get it
- Stop calling viewers noobs
- Obvious biased commentary
- First season, Tasteless asked Artosis what the hotkey for the production tab was. As far as i know, it's not that hard to learn what the few hotkeys are, especially when you are paid to commentate!
- Artosis kept calling BoxeR "Fake Boxer" in his face, which i find pretty insulting. He's got skills, he can use the ID BoxeR if he wants. Seriously though, who wants to use an ID with Fake in it?
- Shameless EG or handsomenerds plugs. Can they do that? lol Either way i don't like it. Seems like tasteless cares about everything but to give great commentary for GSL. I know he's working hard to find a house in Korea for EG, but if I was in his shoes, i'd make GSL and learning the game my top priority. Not fired for lack of professionalism > finding a house, any day of the week for me. I just don't see how he benefits from staying on team EG, based on his understanding of the game, he's probably just an average player.
- and so on lol, can't remember everything.

anyways, just posting this and hoping that tastosis do see it, I like them but anymore of this bs and i'll be hoping that they get replaced.


Armchair nitpicking Toriko, thx very creative.
I hate to even touch this debate, but it's just too easy to show that so many of your points are BS and really stretching the limits of reality..
1st pt: Tasteless has to multitask on live TV, observing and commentating. Not easy by any measure. Oh, did you also ever hear of "Dyslexia"? . he has that too, k thxbye.
2nd pt: he doesn't "call viewers noobs", he merely makes statements directed towards the noobs that watch.. it's very important to make GSL as accessible as possible to new audiences, and yeah that requires rehashing things you and I have heard 20x before.. so what ?
3rd pt: he's probably ENCOURAGED to chug powerade on the air, as they are a sponsor and it is more effective marketing to see him drinking it rather than just have the bottle sitting next to his monitor all throughout the broadcast..
4th pt: who says a bit of bias is a bad thing? this isn't a friggin CNN news program or a political show.. when you watch a yankees game on the Yes network, those announcers are lifelong Yanks fans.. And I'd probably rather somebody who takes a liking to players rather than treats them like numbers and sets of accomplishments.. get over it
5th pt: Fake Boxer is not inherently a defamation.. it's just a stone cold observation of the fact that he chose to use a well-known ID that belonged to someone else, and it's necessary to say something to distinguish them.
6th pt: OMG tasteless forgot / didn't know an important hotkey at one point? fire him on the spot! It's not like he was HDstarcraft, casting 15 games a week since Beta was released.. He was a broodwar caster until GSL started..
7th pt: OMG he plugs his own clan like 4-5 times a season?!?! (depending on how far EGIdra makes it). You really are desperate for reasons to dislike this guy, aren't you... It's not like he's plugging EG's sponsors.. And yeah they plug HandsomeNerd because they can.. If the oversight allows it, then why not? There's nothing ethically wrong with that. Just because it wouldnt happen on a standard american news program or sports broadcast doesnt mean it's some insane morally wrong absurdity..


So what do we conclude from all this? (aside from the fact that your points are all flimsy and you're grasping at straws)
Well sir, that it's bloody E-sports! not ESPN2 with a finicky production team all trying to please the bosses and move up the ladder.

What a joke your post is, Toriko.
Nice try son. Better luck with your 30th post than with your 15th.


Not nitpicking at all. I'd say the one nitpicking it you. I said i like them, I just wish they were a bit more professional.

1- I can't remember which game they were casting, but Tasteless did gargle. Not drink it, GARGLE! It's entirely different. Even Artosis made a comment about that.

2- Someone said he called viewers newbs instead of noobs. fair enough my bad.

3- Also I know Tasteless has to multitask, and i said that it's understandable if he misses a few things. But as far as commentating goes, he hasn't said anything insightful as far as i can remember. Sure i haven't watched all the game, but i did watch a lot of them. If I'm wrong, fine whatever. Doesn't mean he shouldn't improve his knowledge about the game.

4- Everyone has different opinions on whether bias is good or bad. i personally thinks it's bad. Why are you getting so worked up? How many times have you heard Artosis make comments (directly or indirectly) about Terran being overpowered in season 1? What does he say about zerg now? nothing? just because he's a zerg player?

5- About fake boxer, just a personal opinion. Plus when i saw the interviews with Artosis telling him about foreigners wanting him to change his name to Foxer, I don't think he was too overjoyed about it, based on his facial expression. Again, just a personal opinion. You may interpret it differently, good for you.

6- Tasteless forgetting about a hotkey is a pretty big deal to me. He's being paid to do that! It showed that he hasn't done any effort to prepare for the job.

7- I did ask if he was allowed to plug EG and handsomenerds. If you knew how to read, you could just say "yes" and end it. I don't think i can take your comments very seriously.

Anyways, just replying to your post to make my point clear: MY OPINION is that Tastosis could show more professionalism. That's all. This will be my last post about their commentating.

You can have the last word. Enjoy!

last word = k
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
November 22 2010 23:05 GMT
#3209
On November 23 2010 07:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 07:53 Qikz wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
lol being maxed is not an excuse for having too many minerals... hitting 200 should coincide with an attack. but there are some situations where having thousands of minerals isn't a significant mistake. they are just kinda rare on shakuras


I think he was just banking so that when his army died he could just instant rebuild wasn't he? I mean, he lost a ton of stuff and replenished it fairly quickly from what I saw anyways. Since he had so many vikings i think ^^

dunno i dont watch trash play sc2


LoL, I just find this halarious.I know you're Amazing Tyler, but you should not be trash talking other players equally as good as you. Sure you can see flaws in his play, and I think he had like 80-90 harvesters too. He did end up making 10-11 ultras and 50 lings after he sacked his army with that large amount of minerals.

I can't even go into much more detail since I may make a mistake, but I don't think you can call what he did playing like trash.Or am I missing your point?
Kemy
Profile Joined November 2010
105 Posts
November 22 2010 23:05 GMT
#3210
On November 23 2010 07:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Hooking them up to the Korean observer is not perfect either, they did that during the short Jason Lee - era, and I remember some game where a Terran proxied a starport + techlab, and that Korean guy would just not show that on screen and they were like "oh yeah, we can see a starport coming down on the production tab, we'll probably see it soon.... Or not... Oh lol now there's banshees out, didn't see that coming"
(Game was on Xel'Naga, forgot the players)

Being able to show what you are talking about is more useful than you may think. And if you compare Tasteless' observing to Season 1 ro64, you'll actually see how much better it got.

And it's actually Artosis' job to provide tactical insights.


Hooking up on the Korean observer would be terrible. It's like a tv movie: you use the camera as a supportive tool to tell your story. You dont tell the spectators what just happened on the screen...

I enjoy watching GSL with Tasteless and Artosis. The only thing that sometimes annoys me is Tasteless constantly confirming Artosis insights ("No kiddin!", "Yeah, definitely") and repeting stuff that Artosis just pointed out. Sometimes I think he's kinda lost between the roles as the guy with the insights and the guy that talks about stuff going on while asking questions for further insight. I guess the commentating could be better if he would hold back with tactical insights when Artosis is obviously better at that.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
November 22 2010 23:06 GMT
#3211
On November 23 2010 07:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 07:53 Qikz wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
lol being maxed is not an excuse for having too many minerals... hitting 200 should coincide with an attack. but there are some situations where having thousands of minerals isn't a significant mistake. they are just kinda rare on shakuras


I think he was just banking so that when his army died he could just instant rebuild wasn't he? I mean, he lost a ton of stuff and replenished it fairly quickly from what I saw anyways. Since he had so many vikings i think ^^

dunno i dont watch trash play sc2


I guess Nestea played sloppy then. He did only win 2-1 and was in danger of being knocked out. A lot of pros dont seem to like nestea is there a particular reason other than him being trash?
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
November 22 2010 23:09 GMT
#3212
The maka interview was just awesome

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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 22 2010 23:09 GMT
#3213
Damn, sen you beast!
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ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
November 22 2010 23:10 GMT
#3214
I thought that Jlc guy, who played Nestea, was very entertaining to watch. Never seen a terran play quite like that.

Too bad he didn't win in the end.

Hope Haypro's games go good tonight!
SgtMuffins
Profile Joined June 2010
United States37 Posts
November 22 2010 23:11 GMT
#3215
On November 23 2010 08:06 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 07:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:53 Qikz wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
lol being maxed is not an excuse for having too many minerals... hitting 200 should coincide with an attack. but there are some situations where having thousands of minerals isn't a significant mistake. they are just kinda rare on shakuras


I think he was just banking so that when his army died he could just instant rebuild wasn't he? I mean, he lost a ton of stuff and replenished it fairly quickly from what I saw anyways. Since he had so many vikings i think ^^

dunno i dont watch trash play sc2


I guess Nestea played sloppy then. He did only win 2-1 and was in danger of being knocked out. A lot of pros dont seem to like nestea is there a particular reason other than him being trash?


People seem to have a strange definition of "trash". I would be extremely hesitant to apply the title of "trash" to anyone that QUALIFIES for the GSL, let alone someone that holds the goddamn title.

Just because someone has a playstyle that doesn't appeal to you does not make them trash. NesTea has demonstrated that it works, and pretty damn well at that. He's not the Zergbong you remember.

Are you going to win a GSL title, Tyler?
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
November 22 2010 23:15 GMT
#3216
On November 23 2010 07:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 07:53 Qikz wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
lol being maxed is not an excuse for having too many minerals... hitting 200 should coincide with an attack. but there are some situations where having thousands of minerals isn't a significant mistake. they are just kinda rare on shakuras


I think he was just banking so that when his army died he could just instant rebuild wasn't he? I mean, he lost a ton of stuff and replenished it fairly quickly from what I saw anyways. Since he had so many vikings i think ^^

dunno i dont watch trash play sc2


sorry haven't read 100 pages but who are you refeering too?
SgtMuffins
Profile Joined June 2010
United States37 Posts
November 22 2010 23:16 GMT
#3217
On November 23 2010 08:15 backtoback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 07:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:53 Qikz wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
lol being maxed is not an excuse for having too many minerals... hitting 200 should coincide with an attack. but there are some situations where having thousands of minerals isn't a significant mistake. they are just kinda rare on shakuras


I think he was just banking so that when his army died he could just instant rebuild wasn't he? I mean, he lost a ton of stuff and replenished it fairly quickly from what I saw anyways. Since he had so many vikings i think ^^

dunno i dont watch trash play sc2


sorry haven't read 100 pages but who are you refeering too?


NesTea.
adalcim
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany166 Posts
November 22 2010 23:16 GMT
#3218
Just watched the VODs and i am a little bit disappointed because of the quality. I hope they'll fix it.
jyisvip
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada209 Posts
November 22 2010 23:17 GMT
#3219
On November 23 2010 08:16 SgtMuffins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 08:15 backtoback wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:53 Qikz wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
lol being maxed is not an excuse for having too many minerals... hitting 200 should coincide with an attack. but there are some situations where having thousands of minerals isn't a significant mistake. they are just kinda rare on shakuras


I think he was just banking so that when his army died he could just instant rebuild wasn't he? I mean, he lost a ton of stuff and replenished it fairly quickly from what I saw anyways. Since he had so many vikings i think ^^

dunno i dont watch trash play sc2


sorry haven't read 100 pages but who are you refeering too?


NesTea.


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