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Armut
Turkey141 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:24 diehilde wrote: would make sense if ppl actually paid the cost. As many have pointed out, this will make the sc2 fanbase for GSL tiny to begin with, so no new and bigger sponsors will be attracted. It doesnt take to be a genius to figure out they will ultimately lose a lot more money than they will gain from a decision like this. The email is especially ridiculous. Its basically as if a company producing soap would say "hey we are running the business horribly and thus have a large debt. so in order to get back on track, were going to have to charge 20$ per piece of soap. Sry guys!". This is not how economy works ^^ yah i totally agree with this, i'm just saying i can understand why they're doing it. They decided to make a high prize pool to attract players. But then they realized they need to make money to pay for those high prize pools. So then they charge for streams. But like you said, this could cause a vicious downward cycle where less people pay for the streams and then GOMTV is screwed with no revenue, no spectators and lots of money being spent. I guess this is where extracting royalties from OSL/MSL/Proleague come in: leech revenue from the successful league to keep your flawed league afloat. Just overall a really shortsighted business strategy imo, really blind to externalities. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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FuriousJodo
United States212 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:28 Devolved wrote: People, please post your concerns at the GOMtv site. You have to sign up, but it's quick and painless. There are hardly any posts over there compared to the amount here, which they said they won't be checking as much. We need to overwhelm their forums with distinct IP addresses from around the world if we want our opinions to be heard and games to be streamed for free. Everyone here knows the pricing is ridiculous, but it's time to let them know by posting on their forums. I know the SC community can gather force when needed as seen in WCG voting among other things, but now is the time we need you the most. This is the future of E-Sports we're talking about. http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/forum/ but see i'd rather not. GOMTV is starving for revenue now, and attracting us to their forums is one way for them to get some. And I guess I'm what you could call a bit of a GOMTV hater. I loved that they hired Tasteless, I loved that they gave free VODs and had a pretty good league going for a bit, but I really think the whole altruism aspect of that company is overrated. They did what they did to try and compete in an already crowded market: their strategies were not kind-hearted ones, but creative manipulations of market niches. Good for them. But now that they're on top, where did all their coolness go? | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:33 theqat wrote: The idea of re-streaming and paying the re-streamer is extremely foolish. That will quite directly result in that person getting sued for profiting off of GOM's work. Isnt it possible to restream and hiding ur ip/identity from GOM? Im no expert in stuff like this (guess proxy is too slow) but in my naive mind somebody skilled with this (and a fat connection probably) can hide his identity and restream stuff without much trouble. Am I wrong here? | ||
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Armut
Turkey141 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:33 theqat wrote: The idea of re-streaming and paying the re-streamer is extremely foolish. That will quite directly result in that person getting sued for profiting off of GOM's work. They cant do shit if the person is in a legally safe country. I could do it if my connection could handle it. | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:27 d_so wrote: isn't it obvious why their prize pool is so high? They're competing for BW players and their audience, and it's kinda cute really how similar it is to poker. If the 40,000 dollar prize for BW players is the big blind, GomTV is the mid-position player early game with the premium hand and is raising the bet to 3x or 4x the big blind. Except BW is holding a Full House while GomTV is holding pair 2s. | ||
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Armut
Turkey141 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:37 diehilde wrote: Isnt it possible to restream and hiding ur ip/identity from GOM? Im no expert in stuff like this (guess proxy is too slow) but in my naive mind somebody skilled with this (and a fat connection probably) can hide his identity and restream stuff without much trouble. Am I wrong here? you are not wrong, and to track a pro online and sue him and prove that he did somthing illegal in HIS country is close to impossible if he is not in US or if he did not robbed a bank. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:30 Armut wrote: I say we choose a trustable caster with very very good connection, make a simple website, open a paypal, donate like 1 dolar for each and let that guy restream for us the rest of the money for each month he can keep well let's say there's 8 "must-see" events per tournament, and 12 tournaments per year. wouldn't it be more economical for the viewers to just pay for their own streams then pay a dollar * 96 to watch someone restream? Plus the revenue potential for that streamer (let's guesstimate 5,000ish viewers per "must-see" event) is kinda disgusting. | ||
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Skeyser
Canada219 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:39 Armut wrote: you are not wrong, and to track a pro online and sue him and prove that he did somthing illegal in HIS country is close to impossible if he is not in US or if he did not robbed a bank. If you take money from paypal like you suggested they wouldn't have much trouble finding you though | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:38 zenMaster wrote: Except BW is holding a Full House while GomTV is holding pair 2s. Well if we're talking early game, I'd say it's more like BW's got QQ while GomTV has QK suited (more future possibilities ^_^). I dono if i'd play that hand though, not early on.. but I'm no poker expert so i'll stfu now before i look stupid | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 01 2010 18:20 GOMTV wrote: I appreciate your fast feedbacks, but like I said, complaining here will not help. There is a Forum at www.gomtv.net if you press league on the menu What a joke, no one has even bothered reading there or responding. Just in the case you don't know, there's like 70 new topics that say your system sucks. Please don't say garbage like that if you won't even read your own forums. | ||
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edtechy
Philippines30 Posts
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hyouro
Denmark45 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:45 Shikyo wrote: What a joke, no one has even bothered reading there or responding. Just in the case you don't know, there's like 70 new topics that say your system sucks. Please don't say garbage like that if you won't even read your own forums. Isn't that a bit too harsh? I mean give them time to figure out some official statements? Why would they want to reply to all the threads that are 100% identical? It is better to come out with some official thread about the whole deal than just going and replying to the same shit over and over. | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:45 Shikyo wrote: What a joke, no one has even bothered reading there or responding. Just in the case you don't know, there's like 70 new topics that say your system sucks. Please don't say garbage like that if you won't even read your own forums. Look at the time -_- | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
excellent choice of esports partner there blizzard, spreadin esports across the world!!! terran is op | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:37 d_so wrote: but see i'd rather not. GOMTV is starving for revenue now, and attracting us to their forums is one way for them to get some. And I guess I'm what you could call a bit of a GOMTV hater. I loved that they hired Tasteless, I loved that they gave free VODs and had a pretty good league going for a bit, but I really think the whole altruism aspect of that company is overrated. They did what they did to try and compete in an already crowded market: their strategies were not kind-hearted ones, but creative manipulations of market niches. Good for them. But now that they're on top, where did all their coolness go? Lol, an altruistic company. That's a good one, you oxymoron. Every company that's not a non-profit organization is in it to make money. I would hate to see their flawed business model be the downfall of SC2 as an E-sport in Korea. The only way to promote change is to allow your voice to be heard, and the best way to do that is to post on their forums. The more they realize how few people are actually willing to pay for the stream, the more likely they will be to change their fee-based strategy. And trust me, you posting on their forums is not going to magically erase their debt. | ||
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Art_of_Kill
Zaire1232 Posts
On September 02 2010 08:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: terran is op agree here for me gsl just died ... or there will be a good restream | ||
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