EPTHDH Invitational #1 - Page 292
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FireEagle
Romania171 Posts
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:59 SureYouCan wrote: Wow you really explained the great micro and mechanics White-Ra used to get out played at every point. Out macroed and out microed. I also forgot how they had forcefields in Broodwar. It must have taken every ounce of APM and will power to create a wall directly on top of a 200/200 capped zerg army and completely decimate it without losing more than 10-20 pop yourself. Must have been that GREAT positioning behind that forcefield wall he created. White Ra didn't own the shit out of Idra that game, I wouldn't argue that. Idra had a big advantage, but that doesn't mean he can attack in to the worst position possible and expect to win. Idra would have won that game had he played smart, but he did a dumb attack and payed for it. That's the reasoning, not because of some massive imbalance that has somehow gone over every one's head except yours. PvT Brood War: If you attack a Terran in a bad position, they will win. Same thing here. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:01 FireEagle wrote: White-Ra for president of Eastern Europe! He can have the north as well.  | ||
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Sophus
18 Posts
I've never played any starcraft game; I don't really play computer games at all. One month ago I didn't even know what a nexus is. I obviously don't really belong to the whole community here. But Husky and HD got me. And if you can make such a newbie like me shouting in ecstasy at a casted computer game, then you can get everyone. Good luck for any future projects. | ||
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scottyyy
United Kingdom796 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:59 SureYouCan wrote: Wow you really explained the great micro and mechanics White-Ra used to get out played at every point. Out macroed and out microed. I also forgot how they had forcefields in Broodwar. It must have taken every ounce of APM and will power to create a wall directly on top of a 200/200 capped zerg army and completely decimate it without losing more than 10-20 pop yourself. Must have been that GREAT positioning behind that forcefield wall he created. You're completely ignoring the fact that IdrA made the awful mistake of a-moving into 400 colossi. Regardless of forcefields, this is never a good idea. But keep reiterating your opinion, I'm sure you'll convince someone sooner or later. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45678 Posts
Troll? Did you even watch the finals? We're all explaining to you how Idra lost. And it's not because FFs are overpowered -.-' | ||
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SureYouCan
United States38 Posts
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skYfiVe
United States382 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:02 scottyyy wrote: You're completely ignoring the fact that IdrA made the awful mistake of a-moving into 400 colossi. Regardless of forcefields, this is never a good idea. But keep reiterating your opinion, I'm sure you'll convince someone sooner or later. What else can you do into collosi? They will have an obs with their army if they are smart.. you can't burrow. Forcefields plus that many colossi is basically impossible to stop. the FFs clearly stopped the infestors from doing anything too. Either way, you will have to engage the army at some point. You can't say him A-moving lost him the game... | ||
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scottyyy
United Kingdom796 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:03 SureYouCan wrote: I want somebody to explain to me where Idra should have attacked once he hit 200/200. Drop on his main? How does that stop him from losing his entire army due to forcefield abuse and only killing 10-20 pop of the protoss's army. Because there is no scenario I can imagine at that point where Idra can win the game without engaging White-Ras army. And as we all saw theres no way to beat his army with smart cast forcefields. Harass his main, let a few units die and make Corruptors? He had no proper counters to the Colossus. Freeing up some of that 200/200 with some decent harass would've allowed him to make a better unit comp. Instead he just ran head first into WhiteRa's army and tried to end the game there. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/legbamel/Dont_feed_the_troll.jpg) Btw, great tournament anyhow, really enjoyed watching it. | ||
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luckybeni2
Germany1065 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
Anyway, thanks a lot to Husky, HDH and irip, i loved the tournament and hope to see more! I hope this was also a success for you guys! =) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45678 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:05 skYfiVe wrote: What else can you do into collosi? They will have an obs with their army if they are smart.. you can't burrow. Forcefields plus that many colossi is basically impossible to stop. the FFs clearly stopped the infestors from doing anything too. Either way, you will have to engage the army at some point. You can't say him A-moving lost him the game... Hm. I didn't realize that forcefields work against air. What patch was that buff introduced? | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:03 SureYouCan wrote: I want somebody to explain to me where Idra should have attacked once he hit 200/200. Drop on his main? How does that stop him from losing his entire army due to forcefield abuse and only killing 10-20 pop of the protoss's army. Because there is no scenario I can imagine at that point where Idra can win the game without engaging White-Ras army. And as we all saw theres no way to beat his army with smart cast forcefields. Drops won him a game vs NonY atleast. Nydus would be another option. Also idrA played that match really well, except he let WhiteRa catch up to him, so some aggression as soon as he had advantageous position, trying to trade armies or something along those lines would've worked better. Those forcefields were just pinnacle of how and where idra's strategy failed. That's my take on that particular game anyway. | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:03 SureYouCan wrote: I want somebody to explain to me where Idra should have attacked once he hit 200/200. Drop on his main? How does that stop him from losing his entire army due to forcefield abuse and only killing 10-20 pop of the protoss's army. Because there is no scenario I can imagine at that point where Idra can win the game without engaging White-Ras army. And as we all saw theres no way to beat his army with smart cast forcefields. it was said alot of times you clueless maggot watch ra vs sen, they even had the same positions | ||
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gsteve
5 Posts
Too many Idra fan boys for me on here, so leme jsut say real quick: White ra outplayed him through and through. He won one game by out microing idra; who is famous for macro. And when idra went to chagne up his strategy, the game 6 rush, he failed miserably. Let me just say that this force filed/food blocked supply controversy is rediculous. Casting is part of the game, so is food. Idra could have sacrificed the roaches as scouts, and built corruptos/muta's soo quick. he had what? 4 hatches? 5? its his fault for not being able to deal with the army, and not being smart enough to kill off some of his own roaches/sacrifice them. The better player won. There is no way you can argue that whitera won 4 games with luck/op force fields/ thats rediculous. Idra has terrible manners and my favorite part of the tournie (aside from hydras gettin "war of the worlds" raosted) was his rage quite. Thats the idra i think of, a well beaten, pissed off nerd. running with his tail between his legs, and his middle finger in the air. Congrats to Whitera, and it sucks idra still got something out of this. And seriously, did idra ever micro? aside from zerglings harassing probes, i never him micro at a pro level even once. Whitera got one victory by being able to slip his army past idras defences at the natural and into the main. | ||
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Grettin
42393 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: SureYouCan: Troll? Did you even watch the finals? We're all explaining to you how Idra lost. And it's not because FFs are overpowered -.-' The games would have been different IF the forcefields wouldn't be that good. You saw it yourself in metalopolis. Because of the forcefields, White-Ra was able to cut the army to half and block those infestors which were a huge part of IdrA's army. But it could still turn out to be victory for white-ra. | ||
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thelin79
Sweden4 Posts
So perhaps anyone can inform me who won 3rd place? And how the match series for it ended? thanks in advance. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On May 24 2010 07:03 SureYouCan wrote: I want somebody to explain to me where Idra should have attacked once he hit 200/200. Drop on his main? How does that stop him from losing his entire army due to forcefield abuse and only killing 10-20 pop of the protoss's army. Because there is no scenario I can imagine at that point where Idra can win the game without engaging White-Ras army. And as we all saw theres no way to beat his army with smart cast forcefields. First of all, his army composition wasn't ideal. If I create a Zealot/Dragoon 200/200 army in SC1 instead of a Zealot/Dragoon/HT/Arbiter 200/200 army, it's not the same thing. How does a drop stop him from losing his entire army? White Ra would have to choose to either counter-attack, or to go back and save his gateways and tech. You cannot take out Zerg's production the same way you can a Protoss', the Zerg produces out of their hatcheries and will have them all over. It's extremely easy to forcefield if your opponents entire army is right in front of you, it becomes a lot harder when they are coming in different directions, or fighting from multiple angles. | ||
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