EPTHDH Invitational #1 - Page 291
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SureYouCan
United States38 Posts
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ChaosSmurf
United Kingdom175 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:51 CScythe wrote: Any position is "well positioned" when you can create a fucking wall wherever you want. Not really, didn't you watch this game? There was a choke, when you play Z you ideally want to flank enemy - that was the case in SC1 and still is in SC2! | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:52 SureYouCan wrote: Where was Idra going to engage the army? At his natural? HE HAD ENOUGH FORCEFIELDS TO COVER ANY AREA ON ANY MAP. There was no "pro" positioning from whitera. He could have cast those same forcefields anywhere and the outcome would have been the same. THE BEST MOVE IDRA COULD HAVE DONE WAS ENGAGING HIM THERE. Why? He's fighting him on the other side of the map, if he loses the battle he has time for his eggs to hatch into reinforcements and help defend. To say he fought in a bad position is stupid. What he should do is drop. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
Burrow. It exists. | ||
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Moon200
Norway5 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:50 SureYouCan wrote: There was nothing remotely "great" about those forcefields. That's what makes it so infuriating. Are you telling me that you couldnt train a monkey to smart cast forcefields across an entire choke in the space of 2-3 seconds? Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't IdrA just backed off, charged and backed off again, forcing the sentries to use all their energy, and when they were empty, just fly in and crush WhiteRa's army? | ||
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CuttyFlam
Belgium523 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:54 iEchoic wrote: To the people crying about forcefields: Burrow. It exists. its TRUE!!! | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
WhiteRa has worse APM and worse multi-tasking so Idra's supposed to abuse that, especially after being able to see a how-to by Sen. Makes me remember when Idra said:"He can f*ck around all he wants, if you can still outproduce him." Well, obviously not. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:50 Salv wrote: As a zerg player, it feels like that BC game between sAviOr vs. FBH. A few small things negated the fact that one player mostly outplayed the other.Have you watched SC1? What if I out-macro a Terran, he is taking expansions and turtling because he knows he is behind, and I just attack move in to a choke? The Terran would demolish the Protoss army and lose mines and close to no units, it's the same situation. To say Idra couldn't have done anything different shows that you don't know what you're even talking about. Why people like you feel the need to make an excuse for why Idra lost? He lost because he attacked in stupid fashion, it's the same if I was winning all game but threw my army away by attacking stupidly in to a Terran choke. White-Ra didn't win that game because he is a genius, but he did know that he needed to fight Idra somewhere advantageous and Idra chose to follow him in to the perfect spot for White-Ra to fight, what is so hard to understand? Just because Idra was playing better up to that point doesn't mean that it should excuse a colossal mistake late game. If you want to make the argument that something needs to change, then I could argue the same thing for SC1. "How come I cannot blindly and stupidly attack this army and win?" Are you serious? | ||
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Phyxx
Denmark681 Posts
The only thing I missed was more terran action - would have loved to see players like Lucifron and Demuslim in it. But once again, great job! I can't wait for the next event | ||
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xti.aden
Germany65 Posts
I´m pretty sure white-ra playing in a good temper helped him a lot more against idra than anyone would have thought. Idra shouldn´t practice winning only, he should start to practice losing - i think that would improve his ability to win in tournements a lot. felt like he lost his focus in the last games due to raging. btw. 24k+ viewers ! congrats again ! ![[image loading]](http://img541.imageshack.us/i/hdhfinale.jpg/) can´t wait to see nony vs tlo. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:52 SureYouCan wrote: Where was Idra going to engage the army? At his natural? HE HAD ENOUGH FORCEFIELDS TO COVER ANY AREA ON ANY MAP. There was no "pro" positioning from whitera. He could have cast those same forcefields anywhere and the outcome would have been the same. THE BEST MOVE IDRA COULD HAVE DONE WAS ENGAGING HIM THERE. Why? He's fighting him on the other side of the map, if he loses the battle he has time for his eggs to hatch into reinforcements and help defend. To say he fought in a bad position is stupid. Clearly you don't want to understand, you just want to type in all caps and let every one in this thread know how ignorant you are. Congratulation you're doing a terrific job. The game is just totally imbalanced and that's the only way to explain that game. Good thing there will be a VOD because until that moment, we just didn't know to what extent Protoss was imbalanced. Too bad there wasn't a way to exploit a Protoss' lack of mobility at that stage, you know, I mean to exploit that it's difficult to cover so many areas. Too bad doom drops like from SC1 didn't exist anymore. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:54 Moon200 wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't IdrA just backed off, charged and backed off again, forcing the sentries to use all their energy, and when they were empty, just fly in and crush WhiteRa's army? Yes he could, but instead he was stupid and just a-moved in. Hope this will teach him. Clearly Idra is not as good as we thought. Sen is a monster compared to Idra. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44368 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:46 SureYouCan wrote: He gave up because you saw the same things I saw. Without forcefield in the earlier games white-ra got out microed and out macroed. There's no way you can look at the games and think Idra isnt the better player. There's also no way you can look at the games and think there was ANYTHING Idra could do at that point to change the fact that White-ra was killing off a 200/200 pop zerg army WITHOUT LOSING MORE THAN 10-20 POP HIMSELF. Not because White-Ra was a better player, or more skilled. But simply because he had remembered that he could smart cast forcefields. Plain and simple. There's no way you can watch those games and not think something needs to happen to forcefield, and allowing massive units to trample it isn't the fix. 1. WhiteRa did fine micro-ing his zealots in the last game to take the win, without any forcefields, didn't he? He won that game without sentries, and with superior positioning of his units. 2. Um.. Idra could have attacked before WhiteRa had a million collossi on Metalopolis... he also could have harrassed a lot more like he did to Nony on that map (cracklings, doomdrops, etc.). 3. Corruptors. Corruptors. Corruptors. Corruptors. Corruptors. Mutalisks. Corruptors. 4. Actually, a few ultras would have been pretty good, considering WhiteRa is KNOWN for his stellar FF play. And that doesn't mean FF is overpowered (I can't throw them out every time the way he does, and I doubt you can either); it means he's a great player. Learn to deal with FFs. 5. QQ | ||
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SureYouCan
United States38 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:55 Jibba wrote: As a zerg player, it feels like that BC game between sAviOr vs. FBH. A few small things negated the fact that one player mostly outplayed the other. Sure if you consider a terrible, terrible attack to be a small thing. Look, if I outplay a Terran in PvT, but decide not to make arbiters and just attack in to his army, I will lose. I will lose my army, and I will have thrown away any lead I probably have incurred this is the same thing in this game. This isn't new people. | ||
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Fayfay
Sweden128 Posts
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Idra GG'ed! | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:44 ChickenLips wrote: To all the people with 2k++ posts: Why were the games bad? Care to elaborate? I personally didn't see any mind-boggling play, but still think that the games were exciting to watch. I think they mean the whole bo7 in itself is exciting as being unpredicted but for each single game it was kinda one-sided or quickly resolved (one battle and it is GG) and therefore not that good. | ||
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