EPTHDH Invitational #1 - Page 290
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SureYouCan
United States38 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:44 ChickenLips wrote: To all the people with 2k++ posts: Why were the games bad? Care to elaborate? I personally didn't see any mind-boggling play, but still think that the games were exciting to watch. I feel the same way. Maybe not the best games I've ever seen, but still very exciting. | ||
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:44 nihlon wrote: They react that way when most players do that, you can watch some of their YT vids. I don't think they are trying to be disrespectful, although it's easy to see it that way. Ah, yes, come to think of it I remember husky doing that. You are probably right. Perhabs I put to much into this. I think I just like a more neutral commentator style better. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:43 Zarahtra wrote: Yeah, but my point was more on the "mental level", idra couldn't afford to loose to cheese like whitera can do so horribly well, so he seems to have felt compelled to hold back to 1 base, while whitera knowing idra just as well seemed to be sure idra wouldn't cheese him and just FEed and made idra have to do some aggression to stay in the game. Yeah, I'm saying that advantage wasn't 'somewhat', it was huge.  He had to prepare for zealot pressure and Whitera knew it, so did the opposite. If anything, I think it shows that pre-set map pools with Blizzard maps is a bad idea. | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
They need to be nerfed, because blocking off 100 supply from attacking with a few sentries is pretty imbalanced. | ||
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SureYouCan
United States38 Posts
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
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DevAzTaYtA
Oman2005 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:46 mdb wrote: Dont you guys think, that Idra`s crazy macro is backfiring a bit at him? He maxed out so fast, but half of his limit is drones and queens. Yeah, that's exactly what i thought when i saw metalopolis game. I just couldn't understand why didn't he abuse his eco and didn't attack everytime he had 200/200 to abuse zerg's awesome ability to reinforce very quickly. Instead he waited for W-R to almost catch up in supply and charged into very bad position. | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:36 SureYouCan wrote: People are talking about "epic infestor blocks with forcefields" rofl. He cast 10 forcefields across an entire choke. You really think he was specifically saying "OK I NEED TO MICRO THESE FORCEFIELDS TO STOP INFESTORS FROM COMING IN"? No, he was abusing the fact that he had a t1.5 unit that could change map terrain and block off 80% of an entire zerg army from attacking. He didn't give a damn if there were infestors there. He spam clicked across the choke and won a fight he should have had no chance in. maybe get a fucking brain and dont 1a well positioned protoss army sen played vs ra the same day as hdh finals and managed to win droping into ra's main and pushing exp simultaneously was way better idea than what idra did | ||
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nemahsys
Canada457 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:46 SureYouCan wrote: He gave up because you saw the same things I saw. Without forcefield in the earlier games white-ra got out microed and out macroed. There's no way you can look at the games and think Idra isnt the better player. There's also no way you can look at the games and think there was ANYTHING Idra could do at that point to change the fact that White-ra was killing off a 200/200 pop zerg army WITHOUT LOSING MORE THAN 10-20 POP HIMSELF. Not because White-Ra was a better player, or more skilled. But simply because he had remembered that he could smart cast forcefields. Plain and simple. There's no way you can watch those games and not think something needs to happen to forcefield, and allowing massive units to trample it isn't the fix. there was no need for idra to engage that army where he did, and he lost b/c of it. he didnt lose b/c ff is imba. no matter how many words you type in caps you're still dead wrong. | ||
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SureYouCan
United States38 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45280 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:42 hefty wrote: Thanks for a good tournament. I have to say though, that HD and husky could be a bit more respectful towards the players. They talked a lot about IdrA's "rage quit", although he only did that one game. Rest of the time he was acting rather graciously, yet it was called "rage quitting" again in the last game. Commentators can be biased as well, sure, but they seemed to thrive on IdrA's misfortune. Apparently you've never heard of Idra before, and what he's best known for: Being really good at StarCraft, and being incredibly bad-mannered. It was incredibly surprising to EVERYONE that he announced "gg" before leaving the first, third, and fourth games he lost to WhiteRa. He almost never does that. He's traditionally known for whining about losses and certain builds (like cheeses/rushes) and simply leaving games without telling his opponent "gg". Everyone busts him for it, because it's not a good-mannered thing to do. That doesn't make him a bad player (obviously), but he deserves to be made fun of when he portrays bad manners 99% of the time. He has a reputation. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:46 SureYouCan wrote: He gave up because you saw the same things I saw. Without forcefield in the earlier games white-ra got out microed and out macroed. There's no way you can look at the games and think Idra isnt the better player. There's also no way you can look at the games and think there was ANYTHING Idra could do at that point to change the fact that White-ra was killing off a 200/200 pop zerg army WITHOUT LOSING MORE THAN 10-20 POP HIMSELF. Not because White-Ra was a better player, or more skilled. But simply because he had remembered that he could smart cast forcefields. Plain and simple. There's no way you can watch those games and not think something needs to happen to forcefield, and allowing massive units to trample it isn't the fix. Have you watched SC1? What if I out-macro a Terran, he is taking expansions and turtling because he knows he is behind, and I just attack move in to a choke? The Terran would demolish the Protoss army and lose mines and close to no units, it's the same situation. To say Idra couldn't have done anything different shows that you don't know what you're even talking about. Why people like you feel the need to make an excuse for why Idra lost? He lost because he attacked in stupid fashion, it's the same if I was winning all game but threw my army away by attacking stupidly in to a Terran choke. White-Ra didn't win that game because he is a genius, but he did know that he needed to fight Idra somewhere advantageous and Idra chose to follow him in to the perfect spot for White-Ra to fight, what is so hard to understand? Just because Idra was playing better up to that point doesn't mean that it should excuse a colossal mistake late game. If you want to make the argument that something needs to change, then I could argue the same thing for SC1. "How come I cannot blindly and stupidly attack this army and win?" Are you serious? | ||
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CScythe
Canada810 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:49 lolreaper wrote: maybe get a fucking brain and dont 1a well positioned protoss army Any position is "well positioned" when you can create a fucking wall wherever you want. | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
To those saying IdrA should have attacked somewhere else where he couldn't abuse forcefields... What game are you watching? Where on metalopolis could he possibly attack where forcefields couldn't block him off? Every place on metalopolis can be closed off with 10 force fields. Also, when a player types GG, it doesn't mean he rage quits. He didn't "rage quit" in the last game, he rage quit on metalopolis which is understandable. If you have ever played a competitive game of SC in your life, the worst feeling is when you feel you are outplaying them, are far ahead, and then lose. Saying gg or not saying gg isn't a big deal for the commentators to stress over, he is going to be pissed off either way. Also, really annoying to hear bias in the commentators. IdrA's play was much cleaner, but White Ra had great timing and game sense. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
What sen did are drops, and attacking several places at the same time. Even with a smaller economy, sen won the match. That's how zerg can win protoss in late game, not macro. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 24 2010 06:47 hefty wrote: Ah, yes, come to think of it I remember husky doing that. You are probably right. Perhabs I put to much into this. I think I just like a more neutral commentator style better. I think a mix of the styles would work pretty well. In real sport commentaries you usually have one that does the screaming and one that is icy cool and keeps it real. Once they get more experience with the game mechanics I can see them turning into a pretty good commentator duo. | ||
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