EPTThere are options you can try out. Gas first mine drops into early tank push with liberators. Proxy your first barracks and playout a normal macro game off a reaper fast expand. Drop 4 hellions for a BBQ. These are already bad if the protoss scouts since all he needs to defend is an MSC and a pylon. And if the changes on the test map go through, those are going to get even worse.
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terran4lyfe
United States72 Posts
There are options you can try out. Gas first mine drops into early tank push with liberators. Proxy your first barracks and playout a normal macro game off a reaper fast expand. Drop 4 hellions for a BBQ. These are already bad if the protoss scouts since all he needs to defend is an MSC and a pylon. And if the changes on the test map go through, those are going to get even worse. | ||
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cop354g
61 Posts
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Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
On December 21 2015 20:18 cop354g wrote: In TvP, i thise days just build blindly 2-3 cyclones right after factory finishes, medivacs and liberators, marines, few tanks, maybe even random widow mine in mineral line etc. I do this too, but a little modified. Since reapers are basically useless at scouting TvP now, I SCV scout mainly for the nexus timing. If I see FE, I follow up with 2 cyclones and an early third, and if I see a delayed nexus (1:40 or later), I open with a widow mine first and expect an oracle in the main and an adept poke at the natural. Reactor right away on the barracks | ||
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KonanTenshi
Sweden210 Posts
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BiiG-Fr
Canada109 Posts
On December 21 2015 04:26 cop354g wrote: Just had game against two rax reapers, i sent my reaper and noticed his build and he attacked right after that. Holding that with two marines is not possible and factory was just finished so by the time hellion finishes game is over. So how exactly do I defend 2rax reapers? Starting to build another rax and hellion is no good since reapers are already at the base. You need to open gaz first-rax-facto to get your 1st hellion in time. | ||
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cop354g
61 Posts
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SpecKROELLchen
Germany151 Posts
On December 21 2015 21:07 KonanTenshi wrote: I for one enjoy TvP a lot right now, it feels like it's easier to drop my opponent and play very aggressive if you defend from the protoss harass in the early game. But I just achieved my dia promotion so my experience will most likely change when I start to hit more evenly matched protoss players. u also did, now im short from coming master and its a hell vs protoss. Adepts are a hell of a unit and you cannot punish the protoss for it. It feels so stressful and frustrating getting a big advantage in the earlygame and just being countered by pylons. It will be much better with the 50 energychange so that they do not have non stop PO. | ||
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cop354g
61 Posts
http://ggtracker.com/matches/6337422 | ||
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Kvassten
Sweden159 Posts
On December 22 2015 01:57 cop354g wrote: Why did I lose this tvz? I had 2-2 upgrades against 0-0 roaches and ravagers and supply was roughly even and I disrupted zerg alot in early game, even workers. http://ggtracker.com/matches/6337422 You lost mostly because of army composition and expanding too slow. Build som tanks and liberators against his army composition and you are in a great spot. | ||
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Epitoi
20 Posts
On December 21 2015 20:44 Jer99 wrote: I do this too, but a little modified. Since reapers are basically useless at scouting TvP now, I SCV scout mainly for the nexus timing. If I see FE, I follow up with 2 cyclones and an early third, and if I see a delayed nexus (1:40 or later), I open with a widow mine first and expect an oracle in the main and an adept poke at the natural. Reactor right away on the barracks I also open reactor CC TvP but then i go for > 4 hellion drop @5min in base - provides scouting > 2port banshee raven viking w/ mass marine all in ^^ (old iEchoic style) edit : I mean this > http://lotv.spawningtool.com/6908/ | ||
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arena_say_what
122 Posts
I've tried facing roach ravager with just bio and medivacs but it doesn't work. You need tanks or liberator support. Widow mines do not work vs roach ravager because they have too much hp. I haven't tried bio hellbat but I don't think that'd work very well, zerg would just need to add hydras and they just out DPS you in a straight up fight I just hate the feeling of being locked in my base with siege tanks else a bunch of roach ravager just gonna amove me and win if I move out on the map, or counter attack me | ||
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KOtical
Germany451 Posts
On December 22 2015 14:11 arena_say_what wrote: I don't understand what you're meant to do when Zergs go mass roach ravager and skip a lot of upgrades to go to hive for ultras or brood lords. Are Terran forced to go tanks now cause that's the only success I've had. Bio Liberator doesn't work that well imo. TvZ is causing me to tilt so much. When going bio tanks I feel zerg has so much map control and denying creep is impossible I've tried facing roach ravager with just bio and medivacs but it doesn't work. You need tanks or liberator support. Widow mines do not work vs roach ravager because they have too much hp. I haven't tried bio hellbat but I don't think that'd work very well, zerg would just need to add hydras and they just out DPS you in a straight up fight I just hate the feeling of being locked in my base with siege tanks else a bunch of roach ravager just gonna amove me and win if I move out on the map, or counter attack me hm i dont think that way... u are way more mobile with siege tanks in ur medivacs now. so just add siege tanks get decent army and push out before they got hyve/ultras (+do some mm drops to confuse them). in fights keep picking siege tanks up so they dont get hit by ravenger shots and u will be fine. if u want to deny creep u can pick up a tank and drop it from time to time. with the medivac boost and only ravengers shooting air at that point there is almost no risk doing that. if they add hydras the´ll just melt vs ur tanks... | ||
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cop354g
61 Posts
On December 22 2015 07:28 Kvassten wrote: You lost mostly because of army composition and expanding too slow. Build som tanks and liberators against his army composition and you are in a great spot. 2-2 MM should decimate 0-0 roach&ravager, still he always pushed me back instantly. | ||
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Rambolav
Norway42 Posts
On December 22 2015 14:11 arena_say_what wrote: I don't understand what you're meant to do when Zergs go mass roach ravager and skip a lot of upgrades to go to hive for ultras or brood lords. Are Terran forced to go tanks now cause that's the only success I've had. Bio Liberator doesn't work that well imo. TvZ is causing me to tilt so much. When going bio tanks I feel zerg has so much map control and denying creep is impossible I've tried facing roach ravager with just bio and medivacs but it doesn't work. You need tanks or liberator support. Widow mines do not work vs roach ravager because they have too much hp. I haven't tried bio hellbat but I don't think that'd work very well, zerg would just need to add hydras and they just out DPS you in a straight up fight I just hate the feeling of being locked in my base with siege tanks else a bunch of roach ravager just gonna amove me and win if I move out on the map, or counter attack me Banshees work really for me, and they might just be the most important unit in TvZ for me. They're not great if the zerg goes ling/bling/muta and you should probaby not make any more than 1 or 2 then. But as it happens, today, most zergs use roach ravager. I go hellion banshee in TvZ. The hellions are an okay defense against lings and can also work as a distraction for your banshees. Banshees will be your watchdogs and can serve different purposes. There's always something to do with them while you macro behind: - Kill drones - Kill queens (works really well when you get several banshees and surprise the zerg- I recommend 3 or maybe 4 max). Killing queens means less AA, and very good if the zerg doesn't want to make hydras. - Attack army (target ravagers) VERY IMPORTANT if zerg decides to attack you because he has had enough of your banshee harass - Kill creep If you see hydras, abandon banshee aggression. You have derailed zerg from teching up and have bought yourself time. Play it from there. Bio/tank/liberator comp is good. Kill expansions and take good trades. If you want to slow down a zerg going roach ravager, then banshees are a great choice. There are usually always some holes to poke into the zerg with them. Just avoid corrosive biles and target ravagers (ravagers are really mushy and die really fast). Just keep the banshees alive, fly them around, let them help you! Keep in mind I'm just a diamond scrub teetering on the edge of masters league... | ||
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JWD[9]
364 Posts
Are there any high level Korean Terran Replays? I found a TvP from Byun against Puck from 14.12 on Spawning Tool. Most Replays are just too old to be useful, where do I find GSL replays, have the leagues started yet? :> | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On December 22 2015 22:53 JWD[9] wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Replay_Websites Are there any high level Korean Terran Replays? I found a TvP from Byun against Puck from 14.12 on Spawning Tool. Most Replays are just too old to be useful, where do I find GSL replays, have the leagues started yet? :> GSL is in Pre-Season. SSL did qualifiers last week. I don't think either league gives out replays before the season ends. | ||
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CharAznable2
26 Posts
http://ggtracker.com/matches/6339860 | ||
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wjat
385 Posts
On December 22 2015 22:53 JWD[9] wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Replay_Websites Are there any high level Korean Terran Replays? I found a TvP from Byun against Puck from 14.12 on Spawning Tool. Most Replays are just too old to be useful, where do I find GSL replays, have the leagues started yet? :> There is the twitch channel "GSL" I think, where you can watch the whole stream again. Reality did an amazing All in vs Zest on Prion Terraces for exemple. I recall also TY doing really good builds vs herO, and forte(salvation) showing some really cool builds vs Zerg. In TvT just look at forGG stream... he is such a beast, he is doing a mech builds against terran which is just disgusting ;p (open cyclone raven to be safe, then a strong 2base push mech (2x drop hellbatmedivac hellbats,, tanks, vikings, raven) | ||
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alpenrahm
Germany629 Posts
1. It seems to me that TvT is currently being dominated by reaper openings, mosty the 2 Rax Reaper Expand. Do you think its worth it opening Gas first Cyclone by default to counter it? it has been working great for me against reaper openings but is it setting me behind substantially against greedier openings or classic 1-1-1 builds? 2. on some maps (dusk towers and Ulrena to some extend) there is relatively little space for reapers to jump into your main, does that make Rax CC Rax Gas a viable opening? 3. is building some vikings to deal with liberators banshees and drops stronger then just going for your own harrasment tools? whats the difference to HotS here? Thx! | ||
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BiiG-Fr
Canada109 Posts
On December 23 2015 01:07 CharAznable2 wrote: Hi, I would like to know how to defend well against adept warprism... seriously I am having a hard time with protoss like that. I am posting a replay below, was trying to do a 3 CC cyclone build, scouted that he was going to do the build and panicked. Any help or considerations regarding my play will be appreciated =) http://ggtracker.com/matches/6339860 You need to kill the prism with your cyclone, if you let the protoss warp-in adepts, you re dead. | ||
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