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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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OPDream
Canada77 Posts
On March 17 2014 07:45 darkness wrote: I've had two weird PvT games so far. They push with a small army slightly before warp gate is done (if not boosted at all). So I'm forced to use my photon overcharge, while they mass bio army. Once the photon overcharge runs out, they attack. I tend not to have enough even though I have 3 gates. Any advice? Should I get a cannon and stalkers? What's the response? It's a pure marine army with 1-2 reapers if at all. I don't lose against this but I end up at a disadvantage. Edit: Replay provided for clarity. Link: https://www.mediafire.com/?wyakichuzh3au70 Adding cannons is the right choice if it is robo forge before extra gates. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 18 2014 04:55 OPDream wrote: Adding cannons is the right choice if it is robo forge before extra gates. Thank you. Then I should make sure to get that cannon while photon overcharge is active. | ||
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OPDream
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Teoita
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OPDream
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On March 18 2014 05:15 Teoita wrote: They are both viable, it's really personal preference. I mean how to play each build out against ling hydra XD. Sry for my eng~ | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On March 18 2014 05:21 OPDream wrote: I mean how to play each build out against ling hydra XD. Sry for my eng~ In either situation you will need phoenix. In the first build - third into blink, you need to be aggressive with the blink stalkers to keep the zerg spending money on something that isn't mutas. In the second, you need to keep your phoenix alive in order to have them against the mutas. No matter what, you will need phoenix with range to kill mutalisks. So with that in mind constant hallucination scouting is very important. You also need that third base fairly quickly in order to afford your phoenix army and be able to transition into a ground force to deal with whatever comes post mutas if they transition out. So no matter what you do as your opening you need to keep the following in mind: 1) make sure you are scouting as often as possible 2) check for ground upgrades/evos on the hydras - if its not a large hydra count and there arent ranged upgrades and Zerg is on 6-8 gas, prepare for mutas 3) have stargates, make phoenix get range upgrade 4) observers for vision of where the mutas are is a bonus if you have a robo at all 5) take a third at a reasonable time, after 10 minutes is now considered late and you will have a hard time dealing with the mutas | ||
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Teoita
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SC2Toastie
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I found these games of his; Map 5 vs Polt, Map 2 vs Polt and Map 3 vs MajOr. I am looking for good players to copy for Z and P as well. The same hero seems like a good candidate. What is an easy to adopt, versatile style in those matchups? | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
San has a really easy to copy really easy to execute PvZ build. He does it pretty much every PvZ and has a really high win rate. Naniwa has a few builds that are pretty easy to copy as well (PvZ). Basically gate expand into early aggression off Zealots or Zealots + tech. There are some Day9 Dailies on them I think otherwise just look for the latest Vods they are pretty consistent in how they play. In PvP Rain and Parting are the guys to copy. PartinG's micro is out of this world and gets a lot of focus but his builds are actually pretty good (he's on a team with Rain and Classic) and they get him a lot of the scouting he needs to make key decisions. Same with Rain.. Classic is a bit cheesier. You can play Colosus or you can go Chargelot Archon on maps where it's easier to surround the Colossus player. Every other tech path is either for a particular response or an allin of some kind. PvT - I love LiquidHero's style. Harder to execute because of the multitasking required but when it works the Terran is just helpless. If you like that watch his games vs. Polt from IEM Cologne. As someone who doesn't play Protoss all the time I'd probably go with a Robo style just because it's easier to execute and safer vs. Widow Mines which are coming back into the meta. CJ Hero, Dear both play Blink + Colossus. They're good players you can copy. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 18 2014 07:31 DinoMight wrote: CJ Hero is really good. San has a really easy to copy really easy to execute PvZ build. Naniwa has a few builds that are pretty easy to copy as well (PvZ). Basically gate expand into early aggression off Zealots or Zealots + tech. In PvP Rain and Parting are the guys to copy. PartinGs micro is out of this world and gets a lot of focus but his builds are actually pretty good (he's on a team with Rain and Classic) and they get him a lot of the scouting he needs to make key decisions. Same with Rain.. Classic is a bit cheesier. You can play Colosus or you can go Chargelot Archon on maps where it's easier to surround the Colossus player. Every other tech path is either for a particular response or an allin of some kind. PvT - I love LiquidHero's style. Harder to execute because of the multitasking required but when it works the Terran is just helpless. As someone who doesn't play Protoss all the time I'd probably go with a Robo style just because it's easier to execute and safer vs. Widow Mines which are coming back into the meta. CJ Hero, Dear both play Blink + Colossus. They're good players you can copy. I don't fear hard styles man, those are the most fun! I used to play like Liquid Hero late WOL, but that guy just does weird shit only he seems to be able to pull of, haha! Thanks for the advise! My problem with Rain and especially Parting is their low exposure, CJHero and Dear pop up at some more foreign tournaments atm, which gives me more access to VODs :D How is CJHeros PvZ? I might go PvP $O$style, seems pretty straight forward (jkjk) | ||
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OPDream
Canada77 Posts
On March 18 2014 06:38 ZeromuS wrote: In either situation you will need phoenix. In the first build - third into blink, you need to be aggressive with the blink stalkers to keep the zerg spending money on something that isn't mutas. In the second, you need to keep your phoenix alive in order to have them against the mutas. No matter what, you will need phoenix with range to kill mutalisks. So with that in mind constant hallucination scouting is very important. You also need that third base fairly quickly in order to afford your phoenix army and be able to transition into a ground force to deal with whatever comes post mutas if they transition out. So no matter what you do as your opening you need to keep the following in mind: 1) make sure you are scouting as often as possible 2) check for ground upgrades/evos on the hydras - if its not a large hydra count and there arent ranged upgrades and Zerg is on 6-8 gas, prepare for mutas 3) have stargates, make phoenix get range upgrade 4) observers for vision of where the mutas are is a bonus if you have a robo at all 5) take a third at a reasonable time, after 10 minutes is now considered late and you will have a hard time dealing with the mutas So do I need colossus against ling hydra if i open with 3base blink? Hydra is pretty strong after the buff. In the 2nd situation, if my 3rd is successfully established and my 5 phoenixes are alive, can i do a 2 colossus 8 gate timing? If its not viable, when is the timing to move out in mid game? | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On March 18 2014 07:41 OPDream wrote: So do I need colossus against ling hydra if i open with 3base blink? Hydra is pretty strong after the buff. In the 2nd situation, if my 3rd is successfully established and my 5 phoenixes are alive, can i do a 2 colossus 8 gate timing? If its not viable, when is the timing to move out in mid game? Hydras are really strong. If you're doing a Blink timing you need to be hitting before he can get critical mass of them out, otherwise you're toast. You also need to have decent Blink micro against anyone who knows what they're doing. Hydras are really strong vs pure Gateway, especially if he gets lings out to act as fodder. If Zerg is starting to go Muta (as opposed to late game transition into Muta) I like to just go HAM and attack him with Archons or mass Blink. They key to fighting Muta is to keep the count low, and if you keep trading you force him to stay at a low Muta count. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On March 18 2014 22:48 SC2Toastie wrote: Btw, any plans to update the OP? It's kinda slim compared to its counterparts... Protoss doesn't need any help  But yeah I feel it's dated. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On March 18 2014 07:34 SC2Toastie wrote: I might go PvP $O$style, seems pretty straight forward (jkjk) Good god you will lose so many games But when you win you'll sit back laughing like a mad scientist in shock that something that stupid actually worked. I've been doing this since WoL, lol. My friends call it Dino Tactics. But seriously if you like winning don't try to copy sOs, pretty much nothing he does makes sense and it does not work on ladder. All jokes aside, his mind games are so good that they just won't work against lesser opponents. A lot of his builds are deceptive in nature but they won't elicit the proper reaction from someone who isn't at the highest level of game understanding. It's basically like when a bunch of Jazz musicians are playing and one of them hits a "wrong" note and they all laugh but observers can't even tell someone messed up. For example sOs will hallucinate an Oracle and follow it up with a real Oracle for massive damage. But on the ladder your noob opponent will just build a turret and your follow up Oracle won't do anything... | ||
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Buchinsky
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KingAlphard
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