EPT[Q] Can cannon rushing really be perfected? - Page 7
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QNdie
Poland210 Posts
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drezi
Iceland72 Posts
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:41 QNdie wrote: Well, the cannon rush is supposed to work like any other cheese, if unscouted and not reacted to properly, it will kill you. As you see in all of Gaulzi's games in the daily, the only one which was responded to correctly was the one with Idra playing. This means the cannon rush is broken on Antiga. Nowhere else, on other maps it is the same deal as a 6pool or proxy 11/11 rax. Idra did not build an extractor at his gas on the edge, therefore he did not react properly. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
This isn't even like the guy that got to GM by 6 pool, which actually requires really aggressive ling/drone micro and perfect hold position micro. This is just map abuse. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:04 meadbert wrote: Idra did not build an extractor at his gas on the edge, therefore he did not react properly. How could he possibly have known in advance that such a cannon rush was coming? You don't get gas against FFE that early. You want Zergs to blindly build an extractor on their gas at the edge in case of a cannon rush? That's ludicrous. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:06 Flonomenalz wrote: How could he possibly have known in advance that such a cannon rush was coming? You don't get gas against FFE that early. You want Zergs to blindly build an extractor on their gas at the edge in case of a cannon rush? That's ludicrous. No. You obviously did not read the thread or watch the video. Idra SAW the pylons coming up and pulled drones. He then tried to block a second drone from entering by pulling even more drones. Assimilator completed, got killed AND rebuilt. During all this, there's SO MUCH TIME for idra to spend 25 minerals to build an extractor. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:14 Heh_ wrote: No. You obviously did not read the thread or watch the video. Idra SAW the pylons coming up and pulled drones. He then tried to block a second drone from entering by pulling even more drones. Assimilator completed, got killed AND rebuilt. During all this, there's SO MUCH TIME for idra to spend 25 minerals to build an extractor. Idra messed up. He should have built an extractor and it's auto win. I don't really see any excuse - one mistake and you lose to a cannon rush. | ||
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Animzor
Sweden2154 Posts
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freetgy
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MugenXBanksy
United States479 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:35 Animzor wrote: Man, Day9 has the most annoying fucking laugh, it's like he thinks he's being funny so he laughs some more. i don't know what your talking about man his laughter is hilarious and my god i was alot more then disgusted watching the cannon pro cannon everyone and I play protoss.... cannoning some zerg nat cause they didn't put a overlord over the hatch building is one thing but this goes too far | ||
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mknsri
United Kingdom11 Posts
On May 03 2012 03:14 Heh_ wrote: No. You obviously did not read the thread or watch the video. Idra SAW the pylons coming up and pulled drones. He then tried to block a second drone from entering by pulling even more drones. Assimilator completed, got killed AND rebuilt. During all this, there's SO MUCH TIME for idra to spend 25 minerals to build an extractor. Better yet, isn't it still possible to just put a drone next to the gas and you cant build an assimilator there? That was discovered a while back to stop Zergs from gas-stealing, and that should be an optimal response to this kind of cannon rush? | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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][Primarch][
Sweden302 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On May 03 2012 04:06 ][Primarch][ wrote: So...CombatEx and Deezer are gone but hey Gaulzi comes to rescue, he will make the ladder as disgusting as possible for everyone. Way to go Gaulzi! Herp Fucking Derp To be fair, from what i have seen of him, he doesn't bm or stream cheat, which was what made combat ez and deezer so despicable. If he does do that as well then yes he is just as bad, if not he is just someone who has chosen to be good at one (cheesy) thing, as opposed to trying to be good at the game over all. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:41 QNdie wrote: Well, the cannon rush is supposed to work like any other cheese, if unscouted and not reacted to properly, it will kill you. As you see in all of Gaulzi's games in the daily, the only one which was responded to correctly was the one with Idra playing. This means the cannon rush is broken on Antiga. Nowhere else, on other maps it is the same deal as a 6pool or proxy 11/11 rax. That's what you don't get. I faced him twice on KR. Beat him the first time, second game on antiga, and I knew it was coming. I did a proxy 12 rax maka behind natural minerals, and a 12 rax at my ramp. No gas, even pulled scvs on the first pylon. If he gets an early scout off, there is only luck as a counter, and hoping you can pull the perfect amount of scvs. All you guys who are so far up this kids ass are so annoying. Yes, he mastered ONE fucking strategy. It's cool if it's a cheese rush, but if someone masters another all in, they're shunned. Very hypocritical. The fact he was plat, and now facing top GMs is plain said. All you saying it's easy to stop haven't played a cannon rusher who know what they are doing. | ||
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Rainbow Cuddles
United States486 Posts
Be Perfect? Never. There are a lot of players who have dedicated their entire SC2 'Careers' to cannon rushing that MOST of the best & advanced cannon rushing tactics have been figured out. I think the biggest problem at this point is that there are a lot of players who play so defensive right out the gate, it's an automatic Build Order Loss. | ||
Poopi
France12790 Posts
I played against him on a smurf (I'm terran), raped him pretty badly when he tried this on me on daybreak I scv pulled randomly to attack his two pylon blocks and it gave me time for a marine. However on metalopolis he did the build successfully : I lost a lot of mining time / scv, but I flyed my CC to the gold and procedeed to win from here despite him being ahead since he is so bad in normal games. Was kinda fun but yeah cannon rushes are a pain, worse than marine / scv allins. | ||
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PandaMonk
United States300 Posts
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