The Terran Help Me Thread - Page 275

On June 25 2012 03:39 jpsull wrote:
On TVT I usually am first to seige up outside his base, but then I still lose because I can't break his line and get frustrated and move all my forces in and lose them. What should I do after I have set up outside his base?

On June 25 2012 06:41 Starshaped wrote:
I've decided to 1base all-in every TvZ until a patch or switch to Z, not sure yet.

Anyway, can anyone recommend some really cheesy/gimmicky all-ins? So far all I have is proxy 9/9 rax.

Edit: 2base all-ins are welcome, too.

On June 25 2012 06:26 DelugeSC wrote:
What is the best way to hold a proxy-stargate Void Ray/Stalker all-in while going 1 Rax FE?

On June 25 2012 06:41 Starshaped wrote:
I've decided to 1base all-in every TvZ until a patch or switch to Z, not sure yet.

Anyway, can anyone recommend some really cheesy/gimmicky all-ins? So far all I have is proxy 9/9 rax.

Edit: 2base all-ins are welcome, too.

On June 25 2012 03:39 jpsull wrote:
On TVT I usually am first to seige up outside his base, but then I still lose because I can't break his line and get frustrated and move all my forces in and lose them. What should I do after I have set up outside his base?

On June 25 2012 12:17 dynwar7 wrote:
Hi guys

I am so confused..in TvP Everyone says to focus fire colossi with vikings, and I understand why, beacuse a near death colossus does just as much damage as a full health colossus...

So I spent hours in unit tester but the result was shocking and weird.

I first just a moved my vikings to his colossi. THe result was that the vikings killed the colossi much quicker than if I focus fired each colossi!!! Why is this? I am so interested in this, curious to know why?

On June 25 2012 11:50 deeshoo wrote:
Need some help with some decision making regarding the TvZ 1RaxFE into Hellion Banshee build. I know the general build order; I just don't know what I should do regarding how to harass the zerg with it. Should I suicide my hellions and try to get some drones? Target queens? Should I be going for cloak as well? Also, to transition out, should I start my 3rd CC before getting production and upgrades? Or reverse order? Haven't seen enough games regarding what to do with this build (aside from the one where MKP auto-won vs YuGiOh).

Diamond NA

edit: added matchup

On June 25 2012 12:32 Blazinghand wrote:


It's possible your focus-firing is overkilling the colossi. EX:

you have enough colossi to ALMOST 1-shot a colossus, but not quite. If you shoot each colossus with every viking, it takes 6 volleys to kill 3 colossi. However, if you divide your fire more evenly, you might get it done in as few as 4, especially if you focus-fire the colossi with just enough to kill them.

Alternatively, if you have so many vikings you OVERKILL a colossus, as in, you have like 20 of them, having ALL a billion of your vikings shoot one colossus is a tragic waste of ammunition since most of them are firing rockets at a colossus that will be dead before the rockets land.

Spend some time in the unit tester playing around with typical numbers of vikings to get an idea for when focus-firing alone is good enough for your micro, and when you want to also anti-overkill.

On June 25 2012 12:46 dynwar7 wrote:


Thanks Blazing,

Well, those people saying that it is always better to focus fire colossi, are not always right then? In my case, (having many many vikings) it is better to a move, whereas if I have not many vikings, its better to focus fire, am I correct here?

So I guess it all depends on the number of vikings I have?

On June 25 2012 09:34 iAmJeffReY wrote:

Do a demuslim like opening, but drop 2 gas, tech lab the factory, and push out on stim cs +1 blue flame. Get BF right after stim, and then swap reactor onto factory, and land rax on tech lab. Churn marines until BF is done from all 3 rax, then do triple marauder production, with BF hellions, and move out with some of your SCVs as well for a marine marauder BF hellion stim cs +1 BF push. If they muta, you're fucked if you don't kill them. Dodge/split banes, let scvs soak up whatever. Roach ling cannot defend you AT ALL.

On June 25 2012 12:37 xertion wrote:


ForGG goes this build in like 90% of his TvZ on his stream. You should check it out. He almost always suecide his first 4 hellions. Sometime he do almost 0 drone kills, sometime he get like 10 dronekills. However, he always damage drones. Maybe the reason he does this is because the banshee will be able to kill them even faster later, or maybe it is because he wants to force additional lings and delay any evo chamber or lair tech to protect the zerg from cloak banshee.

I'm not sure exactly WHY he always suecide these. But he does it over and over again, even straight after a game where he lost them all without doing almost any damage.

On June 25 2012 13:34 Starshaped wrote:


Got any replays of it? I think I saw Kawaiirice do a similar build (sans the marauders) and it got kind of raped by infestors.




I think he's just hoping to do a lot of damage by catching the Zerg off-guard. It's pretty terrible in general, and I'd advise against it if not for the fact that TvZ is a joke right now. So yeah, do gimmicky stuff like suiciding your hellions, because you won't win by playing safe anyway. Might as well take huge risks etc.until a patch is released.