• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
TeamLiquid Liquipedia LiquidDota LiquidLegends
EDT 07:07
CEST 13:07
KST 20:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO16 Preview: Rogue, Zoun, INnoVation, Dark11[ASL11] Ro24 Preview Pt 3:Contenders and Streamers9WTL 2021 Summer - Week 2 Recap and Week 3 Preview9Code S RO16 Preview: Maru, Solar, Cure, Dream10Code S RO16 Preview: TY, Bunny, Hurricane, DRG8
Community News
Code S RO16: Maru & Dream advance to RO817BSL12 - Ladder Tournaments [$600 + 3x Pro Seeds]9Ladder map pool updated (5.0.7 patch)72Think Alpha Series: Dandy vs Sziky14ESL Open Week #65 - Zest, Clem, MaxPax win10
StarCraft 2
General
Ladder map pool updated (5.0.7 patch) Code S RO16: Maru & Dream advance to RO8 Blizzard looking for Developer in SC2, BW, etc. Code S RO16 Preview: Rogue, Zoun, INnoVation, Dark Code S RO16 Preview: Maru, Solar, Cure, Dream
Tourneys
The Siege Perilous - $5,000 in top-end hardware! [GSL 2021] Code S - Group C [EPT 2021-22] ESL Open Cups Ignition - ITaX Pro Circuit 6 $7,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2021
Strategy
Practice Partner Thread Season 1 - 2018 Simple Questions Simple Answers How to Break the F2 Hotkey Addiction How to Defeat Protoss - Part 1: Powering
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Routavaara [M] (2) Tropical Sacrifice [M] (4)Nautilus [UMS] Micro Match
External Content
Mutation # 260 Fright night Mutation # 259 Breath Of Destruction Mutation # 258 Wheel of Misfortune - Lock & Load Drogos Recap of 2020
Brood War
General
Help get Medry(bw vods 24/7) a new computer [ShowMatch] Foreign All-Star vs Korean Gamer Scan & Nyoken to community cast ASL [StarCastTV] Update Thread eSport.fund 2020
Tourneys
[ASL11] Ro24 Group F BSL12 - Russia Puts in Money New Worlds Map Contest: ALL SUBMISSIONS Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Sorry's TvP lategame Ghost strategies? Fog of War Noises Simple Questions, Simple Answers pvz FE, goons opening
Other Games
Heroes of the Storm
[HotS] CCL Season 2: ONYX HotS: WP and Funny Moments [HotS] The Road to Paris QQ/Rage Thread. Simple Questions, Simple Answers
General Games
Path of Exile Sid Meier's Civilization VI Cyberpunk 2077 Genshin Impact - Coop RPG FF7 remake for PS4 announced
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread [M][N] Mafia Mafia: Mafia Edition Active List of Mafia Games [M][T] Poker Mafia
Hearthstone
Is Hearthstone Gambling?
LoL General
LoL Tournaments
LoL Strategy
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Coronavirus and You Dating: How's your luck? NASA and the Private Sector Bitcoin discussion thread
Fan Clubs
The Scarlett Fan Club The TY Fan Club Stats Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Hip Hop / Rap Music Discussion [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2020 - 2021 Football Thread 2020 NFL and College Football Corona Season TL Golf Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2020 NBA General Discussion
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers Help! i need a low profile keyboard!!!
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts The Automated Ban List Ask TL Staff Anything
Blogs
Magic the Gathering Cu…
TheRealNanMan
Whale Watching at Hervey Bay i…
Tak3r
To Be a Vtuber
Zambrah
Help me win a vacation by watc…
Chosi
Golf Battle Report (Persona…
FlaShFTW
10 later years finally mast…
Juliette
Homemade gaujas/ chiroti…
mymomspride
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1067 users

Ruthless PvZ Build for New Rush Maps (Season 3 GM)

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12 Next All
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1852 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 19:21:43
July 17 2011 12:31 GMT
#1
Epic PvZ Rush: KiwiKaki-Style 5Gate Zealot/Sentry

[image loading]
TL Stream Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=286050

Examples/Replays:

+ Show Spoiler +
Here is a tutorial of this build on youtube:


Here is a game showcasing how Zerg can respond to this type of pressure:


The Concept

+ Show Spoiler +
This is a build ROOTKiWiKaKi did to me. He was rank1 Grand Master at the time and this is the exact build he does in almost every other ladder PvZ. No matter how high your MMR is, at least on the NA ladder you will never reach a point where zerg players are consistently defending this if executed optimally. It relies heavily on subtle alterations and exact timings, but if your timings are on and you deny scouting it’s VERY hard to predict and prepare for as a zerg. The interesting thing about the build is any time before the 6:30 mark, if the zerg player scouts it looks like a sentry expand - you still have sentries at the top of the ramp when he ling scouts and you still build a pylon at the bottom of the ramp at the correct time. Therefore, it's excellent for catching players off-guard and winning fast games (Ideal for rush-maps like some of the new Season3) Thank you very much for checking it out, guys!


The Build

+ Show Spoiler +
9: Pylon - At the ramp, the pylon power should just barely reach the top of your ramp, you should scout with the probe. Try to hide this probe after you scout his opening, somewhere you can proxy later.

10: Rally - this probe to scout for an overlord coming from close positions (On maps like Metalopolis and Shattered). When the pylon finishes, immediately chronoboost probes. When Chronoboost wears off, immediately use a second one on probes up to 14.

14: Gateway – Build this gateway to semi-wall in at the top edge of your ramp. Also, as soon as you have 25 energy on nexus chronoboost probes for the 3rd and final time.

15: Gas – Gas is key in this build, do not forget to fill it immediately

17: Pylon – Use 2nd pylon at the front to power gateway as well

17: Gas - Gas is key in this build, do not forget to fill it immediately

18: CyberCore – Build beside your gateway at front, leaving a small gap for a zealot to wall in.

19: Zealot – Depending on what you scout, you may opt to chronoboost this guy but typically you won’t.

22: Pylon – Build somewhere in back of base where 1) Zerglings that scout up ramp wouldn’t see and 2) somewhere scouting overlords wouldn’t see. Typically, somewhere behind the mineral line is ideal.

23: WarpTech/Sentry – Chronoboost both immediately (You will chrono your warp tech 3 times) Continue building sentries and probes until 30 food.)

30: Build 4 Gateways! - 2 gateways somewhere near the front (Somewhere a scouting zergling will see them). Also, though, build 2 gateways somewhere in the back, where you built your pylon on 22. Do not build a single probe or anything until 4 gateways are being warped in. You should have 30 food before you start the gates and 30 food immediately after.

31: Sentry

33: Pylon – Build at the bottom of your ramp, similar to what a 3gate expo looks like. Bring zealot/sentries down the ramp to clear out any scouting zerglings around your expo area.

34: Pylon again (Crucial) Go back into probe production, warp in as many sentries as you can and move out.


Executing the Push

+ Show Spoiler +
At 7:00 you should be moving out with 12 units, your initial probe that you hid at the beginning should have a proxy pylon building, and you should have a bit of supply saved up to continue warping in aggressively. By 50 food, you should be planting a pylon RIGHT outside his creep (as close as you can get) and warping in constantly. Go right for the ramp and force field over and over. You have TONS of sentries with this build, so do not be cagey when it comes to using them to defend yourself. Oftentimes, you’ll win outright, but as you practice the build more and more you’ll see that you CAN produce probes throughout this engagement and you have the sentry count needed to fall back and get a nexus up. You will win enough games outright to make the build +EV, and if you perfect your follow-throughs, I think you'll almost always do enough damage to make up for getting a later nexus


Best of luck to all of you in your games, have a blast in season 3.

-Tang
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7021 Posts
July 17 2011 12:35 GMT
#2
Very good build, only problem I see is against a lot of spinecrawlers? But perhaps that won't be big of a deal if you micro your sentries properly. Would be really cool to see the game or a few games by KiWiKaKi executing this build. Please edit your thread when the game is up on your youtube channel!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Saiton
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden465 Posts
July 17 2011 12:37 GMT
#3
Would have loved to see replays/videos right now. Otherwise i'm just going to forget it when you actually post it.

Sounds interesting though, will give it a try if i find it.
Top diamond terran streaming at http://www.twitch.tv/saitontv
SCPlato
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States248 Posts
July 17 2011 12:48 GMT
#4
Would be better imo to post a replay instead of a youtube video. That way people can see all of the ins and outs of the game not just the build order you show.
All men are by nature equal, made all of the same earth by one Workman; and however we deceive ourselves, as dear unto God is the poor peasant as the mighty prince. -Plato
Robqxz
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 12:51:28
July 17 2011 12:50 GMT
#5
A replay would be appreciated.

Also, did you consider getting hallucinate, not for scouting but for hallucinating some zealots/stalkers to help you in combat? I mean, it doesn't really cost you much, and since you have so many sentries, you may very well have enough energy anyways.

I feel like chances are, a Zerg won't rush for overseer/sporecrawler when he sees a 3gate sentry expand.
You can't spell Voidray without 'idra'.
iChau
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1209 Posts
July 17 2011 13:11 GMT
#6
Oh I saw this build in his match history lol. Cool, will try it.
us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1688911/1/SaniShahin/ | http://teamenvy.net/
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
July 17 2011 13:13 GMT
#7
I use this from time to time against terran on tal'darim. I hide 2 gates outside my base so it looks like 3 gate expo for some time, then i come with shit ton of units, reinforcing with 5 gates. Altho i have it slightly delayed so i cen reinforce even with 5 stalkers. I think i lost only one time with this build ^^
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
July 17 2011 13:25 GMT
#8
wow a hidden 5 gate allin

seriously thats what you came up after more than a year starcraft 2?

User was warned for this post
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1852 Posts
July 17 2011 13:45 GMT
#9
Yeah sorry for the delay with examples, I'll try to have some up by tomorrow and will edit the thread. I haven't tried with hallucination but it's something to consider. A lot of zerg will have 2-3 spines but you'd be surprised how easy it is to kill spines with zealots lol
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2518 Posts
July 17 2011 13:56 GMT
#10
I can't tell if this a troll post or serious post lol. A 5 gate all-in, doesn't sound new or interesting at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2279 Posts
July 17 2011 14:08 GMT
#11
I've faced this several times before and the counter is definitely spine crawlers, which makes it difficult to defend on maps like Xel'naga Caverns. You can pretty much always come out even or ahead on that map. However on other maps like Shakuras or Shattered temple, if you are stopped by spines you're in a bad spot but if you don't sack your sentries you can come back with a 2 base timing before he has burrow movement or mutalisk.

On July 17 2011 22:25 phil.ipp wrote:
wow a hidden 5 gate allin

seriously thats what you came up after more than a year starcraft 2?


i laughed
Try another route paperboy.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2543 Posts
July 17 2011 14:39 GMT
#12
this seems like an incorporation of what huk/mc's, whitera's, and minigun's (don't know if minigun originally came up with his idea) old builds.

huk/mc - 3gate dark templar but looks a lot like sentry expand.
they make a 15gate, 15gas, 16 pylon, 17gas. 15gate to allow for double gas before core (i believe you cut probes briefly if you 14gate, not a big deal though), chrono out zealot if you scout pool first and close spawn. this is insanely hard to scout because poking zerglings up the ramp will look exactly like a sentry expand, and they tend to throw the additional 2gates where overlords will be able to scout them.

whitera - 5gate all in
he uses it most on maps like shakuras where you can wall your natural. he opens with no wall off, then proceeds to make 2gateways at the natural ramp and throw 2 additional gates in his main. leaves a probe by the natural to make it look like an expansion is going up when he's really 5gate all inning.

minigun - 4gate all in
low ground pylon, standard 4gate delayed timing, and sentry count makes this really really hard to scout.

this build kiwi uses seems to incorporate a little of all these things.
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2099 Posts
July 17 2011 16:03 GMT
#13
Cool build. May I know what unit mix do you warp in in front of the Zerg base? Do you go for Stalkers if theres Roaches or continue to Zealot and Sentries? I will be trying this off!!.
aaycumi
Profile Joined March 2011
England265 Posts
July 17 2011 16:12 GMT
#14
http://www.youtube.com/user/TitusStarcraft?blend=1&ob=5#p/u/0/jV79f9uS-FE
Uses this against Terran as well, and the results are ridiculous. Metro is no push over either, normally using strange and oddly timed builds that run through even professional players on a regular basis if you watch some of his other videos.

The main thing about this five gate is the shear army size before the 10 min mark that no one is gonna be expecting, I simply do not know how any race could hold against this particular attack without heavy defense that would put you behind anyways, and its not even an all-in because Kiwikaki continues to make probes to full base saturation so it is possible to transition out it easily.
H.k[D]
Profile Joined April 2010
United States256 Posts
July 17 2011 16:15 GMT
#15
Haha, this reminds me a little of some video I saw of minigun doing his "unstoppable" 4-gate all in.

TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1852 Posts
July 17 2011 16:22 GMT
#16
If you're macroing effectively, you shouldn't be able to afford stalkers. Kiwi used only zealot/sentry against me. It's the unit positioning/quantity of units that makes it so effective. Also, you deny early scouting and like I mentioned it really looks like a 3gate sentry expand so the zerg may be completely unprepared or may prepare minimally for like light 3gate pressure.

If you build your first 2 additional gates where they can be seen by zerglings and the second two somewhere hidden, there's really no way to know unless he's REALLY active with his lings and scouts your proxy.
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2611 Posts
July 17 2011 16:31 GMT
#17
This build aganist may have a hard time aganist 2 base roach ling 7:30 push unless u have really good ff.
Chicken gank op
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1296 Posts
July 17 2011 16:56 GMT
#18
upload the replay of kiwi crushing you
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1050 Posts
July 17 2011 17:01 GMT
#19
On July 17 2011 22:25 phil.ipp wrote:
wow a hidden 5 gate allin

seriously thats what you came up after more than a year starcraft 2?


I laughed quite a bit. But this is true though. There's almost nothing special about this build other than being a 5 gate rush. No +1, or anything special. The Zerg can get spines with ling/roach and most likely hold off this attack.
A fed jungler is no longer a jungler, but a terrorist.
laharl23
Profile Joined February 2011
United States582 Posts
July 17 2011 17:10 GMT
#20
i dont like builds where its "if they scout you, you lose"

any top top zerg who actively scouts and knows this is coming can defend.

but for lower leagues you will win 95% of the time most likely.
1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OlimoLeague
11:00
Week 224
Maynarde121
Liquipedia
Afreeca Starleague
10:00
Round of 24 / Group F
Mini vs soso
MIsO vs Mong
Afreeca ASL 6384
StarCastTV_EN162
AfreecaTV YouTube
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
DeMusliM 810
Harstem 492
OGKoka 433
Livibee 362
Ryung 132
Maynarde 121
DIMAGA 116
JimRising 87
ProTech75
mcanning 68
Ragnarok 49
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 10632
Sea 3336
Shuttle 2330
Horang2 1656
Rain 1077
EffOrt 989
Pusan 488
Larva 474
firebathero (twitch) 443
Tyson 400
[ Show more ]
Zeus 373
Snow 189
Stork 177
Sea.KH 125
Soma 107
Rush 98
PianO 49
Noble 47
Hyuk 46
sSak 41
firebathero 34
Sharp 29
ggaemo 14
Barracks 14
Killer 8
yabsab 5
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
rGuardiaN818
ceh9399
Super Smash Bros
Liquid`Ken2
Other Games
m0e_tv939
nookyyy 477
Liquid`Crank 227
crisheroes176
kiocsgo171
Chillindude162
Hui .56
Organizations
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
ESL CS:GO3434
StarCraft 2
ESL.tv223
OGamingTV SC2 172
Blizzard YouTube
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• ALGaming 108
• Maddox 23
• RayReign 5
• NeNeSh 1
• Matiz_pl
• Laughngamez YouTube
• LaughNgamez Trovo
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• Genesis Gaming
• Gussbus
• gravity620
• intothetv
• AlphaB_SC2
• aXEnki
• AweesomeSauce
• Alpha X_
• Migwel
SC2: Legacy of the Void
• KarlJayG
StarCraft: Brood War
• UltimateBattle 200
• sscaitournament5
Upcoming Events
CreightonOlsen Tournament
4h 54m
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4h 54m
ThermyCup
5h 54m
BSL: Ladder Tournament
5h 54m
OSC
20h 54m
Alpha Pro Series
21h 54m
Patience vs Solar
KCM Race Survival
22h 54m
WardiTV Spring Champion…
23h 54m
Zoun vs Dream
Zoun vs Solar
ByuN vs DongRaeGu
ByuN vs Dream
Cure vs Solar
Cure vs Dream
Solar vs Dream
Solar vs DongRaeGu
CreightonOlsen Tournament
1d 4h
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
1d 11h
[ Show More ]
eXoN event
1d 13h
GSL Code S
1d 22h
Trap vs Armani
sOs vs Zest
KCM Ladies Race Survival
1d 22h
Team GP event
1d 23h
IntoTheAlphaX Pro Circuit
2 days
Innovation vs RagnaroK
Cure vs Patience
CreightonOlsen Tournament
2 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
2 days
OSC
2 days
ThermyCup
2 days
Online Event
2 days
CreightonOlsen Tournament
3 days
BSL 2v2 Showmatch
3 days
MadiNho vs Scan
KenZy vs BishOp
Best of the Best Tour
3 days
TerrOr vs trutaCz
Bonyth vs kogeT
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
3 days
Grand Platypus Open
3 days
CreightonOlsen Tournament
4 days
BSL 2v2 Tournament
4 days
BW Jeez Weekly
4 days
Theleo-ua Showmatch Ser…
4 days
eOnzErG vs Casper
Alpha X Junior Champion…
4 days
Best of the Best Tour
4 days
DragOn vs TerrOr
Cross vs OyAji
Cross vs trutaCz
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
4 days
EPT Open Cups
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
BeAsT Cup
5 days
CreightonOlsen Tournament
5 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
5 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
5 days
GSL Code S
5 days
Bunny vs TBD
IntoTheAlphaX Pro Circuit
6 days
ByuN vs Zest
DongRaeGu vs Zoun
EPT Open Cups
6 days
EPT Open Cups
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
OlimoLeague
6 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
6 days
ByuN vs Solar
ByuN vs Trap
ByuN vs Zest
Zoun vs Cure
Zoun vs DongRaeGu
Trap vs Zest
Solar vs Zest
Solar vs Trap
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Think Alpha Series 3: Teaser Match
2021 GSL S1: Code A
Nexus Forces Tour. Q1
ESL Pro League Season 13

Ongoing

Foreign All-Star vs Korean Gamer
ASL Season 11
Bombastic StarLeague 12
Russian Hasu League 2021
Best of the Best Tour
KCM Race Survival 2021 Season 1
Deathfate Pro League 1
WTL 2021 Summer
2021 GSL S1: Code S
WardiTV Spring Championship 2021
Masters Clash Champ. 2021
Nexus Forces Tour.
NGS Storm Division S2
Spring Sweet Spring #1
BLAST Premier Spring Showd.
ESEA S36 - NA Premier
ESEA S36 - EU Premier
ESEA S36 - AU Premier

Upcoming

BSL12 HasuLeague
BSL12 GosuLeague
theleo_ua showmatch 3
BW Jeez Weekly 109
BW Jeez Weekly 108
theleo_ua showmatch 2
BW Jeez Weekly 107
DH Masters Summer: Finals
2021 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2
NeXT 2021 S1-SC2 MASTERS
DHM Summer: China
DHM Summer: NA
DHM Summer: Oceania
DHM Summer: Asia
DHM Summer: LatAm
DHM Summer: Europe
Community Clash League S2
CCL Season 2 Icebreaker
ESL One Cologne 2021
BLAST Premier Spring Finals
IEM Summer 2021
cs_summit 8
Flashpoint Season 3
DH Masters Spring 2021
Perfect World League S1
Funspark ULTI 2020
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2021 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.