How to treat zerg FE as a weakness as terran EDIT - Page 5

On November 08 2010 10:02 SoftSoap wrote:
Wouldn't going for that quick factory be a little weak for early game pressure by zerg?

On November 08 2010 10:35 Pookie Monster wrote:



?? how early like 6 pool early? your walling off as terran the only thing that he can send at you that i ould consider early are lings roaches and banelings, lings cant get by wall, roaches you have to bunk against anyways and if he goes banelings then your factory is important for your wall off, this is diamond level play and 90% of the time zerg is doing a FE so..

On November 09 2010 08:14 JreL209 wrote:
You don't win as terran vs zerg, end of discussion.

On November 09 2010 07:50 ZaneZaneZane wrote:

Pookie, which replay is the best/most fluent with the build order and what not? I just want to get a solid TvZ build and this looks very intriguing.

On October 27 2010 23:16 mierin wrote:
I have a feeling the Foxer Marine Shenanigans will be oh so prevalent in the ladder for the next week or so Guess I can't be such a greedy hatch-first-no-questions-asked kinda guy anymore.

On November 09 2010 10:33 Pookie Monster wrote:



I think the one against ZOG is probably the best, Zog is one of the best zergs on the NA server too. Ive actually tweaked MY Build order since ive posted these, i dont make my refinery til 150 minerals and i generally push with two thors now instead of 4 unless he has large amounts of lings/blings out. i am better about not losing my dropship and keeping the rines alive until my first banshee pops out so i can do two pronged attacks which are more effective. ill edit this post as well as the topic starter with some games ive had the last few days which show an evolution of this build.

TvZ Pookie Terran Build vs High Ranked Zerg
TvZ Pookie Terran build vs top 100 NA Zerg

On November 09 2010 22:45 Incompetence wrote:
I noticed in the four replays that I watched that after the Z player removes all his drones from main to nat after your first drop, you start going for the spawning pool, which would be quite difficult to take down with 6 marines. Would going for the extractors be more viable? Or loading up and attacking the naturals' drones, and keep going back and forth?

How impacting would it be to remove that gas for the time it takes the Z player to remake the extractor plus the 30 seconds it takes to make. Not to mention one less drone mining?

On November 10 2010 09:26 Wrathgarr wrote:
That game against cellawerra was really good, I liked it.

Also, that TVZ Edwards replay wasn't really what I was looking for.

On November 10 2010 17:36 sablja wrote:
i have lots of problems in late with zerg
this will help a lot
thank you Pookie !!

On October 27 2010 22:56 Pookie Monster wrote:
i see endless threads on people asking how to deal with zerg in the new patch and i cant quite understand why as i have something like an 85% win rate vs zerg as a 2250 point terran. For my build you should go standard 10 supply but make gas before rax to get a fast factory. you use depot building scv to scout and make sure hes going FE. You should be continually pumping marines, as soon as factory is up you make starport and medivac, you should make a helllion to harass/scout and clear xelnaga towers, and hopefully get him to make alot of frontal defense and only anticipate hellion harrass. once medivac pops out you should send your 6 marines and the hellion to his main to harrass and do some damage but most importantly GET HIM TO MAKE SOMETHING BESIDES DRONES, overlords and queens are your targets here supply blocking him and reducing his queen number makes banshee harass more devastating as well as the first timing push. be smart with your drop try not to lose the marines. with your starport you should make a banshee and an armory for thors as well as throwing up your own expo. the beauty of banshees is that they allow you to secure your expo with map control until he gets mutas. use the banshee for defense if hes being aggresive otherwise use it to once again clear watch towers and destroy his spreading creep tumors only use the banshee to attack his main if he handled your drop poorly and allowed you to kill his queens or severely weaken them. once your expo is up and running you should continue to pump thors, rines and banshees as gas allows then go for a quick push push once you have either 2 or 4 Thors depending on the situation i find the two thor push with all your marines and a banshee or two to be the most effective as many zergs have not yet put up a baneling nest and certainly will not have centrifugal hooks. or have any mutas out yet allowing you to pick off the banelings before they take out your rines and scvs, spread the rines to reduce damage, if u have foxer grade marine micro or he neglects to make a baneling nest this push is absolutely devastating and ends many, MANY of my terran vs Zerg games. if you still have your drop ship and marines you can do a two pronged attack against his main and natural as he will likely need everything he has to hold off your rines banshees and scv repaired thors and may not even notice the drop in his main, if the zerg goes muta and tries to 3rd expand its usually GG if he goes roaches and banelings with no mutas u can use your banshees and dropship/marines to harass and deny him third. Its your choice whether to stay bio mech switch to all mech or go bio for late game you have all the structures neccesary to start you off on any tech patch you choose. the replays will show more detail, enjoy My apm is only about 100 so this isnt stuff that requires incredible micro and is very viable in high diamond ive beaten cellawerra and Rigid with this build two great zerg players that have live streams here on TL. GL

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TvZ Pookie Build vs Cellawerra Metalopolis crosspawn
TvZ Pookie Build vs Victor Metalopolis
TvZ Pookie Terran Build vs top 100 NA Zerg
TvZ Pookie Terran Build dropship/banshee harass into thor push
TVZ Drop harrass into marine banshee thor push
TvZ marine banshee thor build with two pronged push
TVZ FE harass into Marine thor push
TVZ FE harass into marine thor push2
TVZ FE harass into marine thor push3
TVZ FE harass into marine thor push4
TVZ Strat
TvZ Drops marines banshees Thors opening
TVZ Harass into marine thor banshee push

heres one of those dreaded roach pushes people keep raving about heh


One base roach push defense