Since someone already bumped this topic to the top, I figured I might also post here. I am on my work lunch break, growing very eager to try this build out when I get home. As you can see from another thread created by me, TvZ is my absolute worst matchup, and I seem to have no stable build to go by. Lately my strat has been, "Make some marines, marauders, tanks and hellions, throw them at Zerg, hope to win." Of course I don't win.
Versus Terran and Protoss I have a set build I do every single game, and it branches depending on what the Opponent does. As it should. Versus Zerg, it is quite random. I'm second guessing the entire game what my opponent is building and what I should be building.
Based on the replays from Pookie and others, I see the TvZ matchup much clearer now. I see the units Zerg responds with, I see the interactions between Pookie's build and the opponent's. I have 120 APM non-battle. (140-200 battle) and I feel I could pull something like this off. I will be testing the build order versus AI when I get home just to get comfortable with the orders and timings. And I hope to post here when I have some success with it. Banshee and Thor are extremely powerful, and the high DPS of marines to beautify this build makes it a threatening force.
I must ask, with the past few patches, has anything changed in this build? I See the topic was created many months ago and wonder what has happened in the metagame to counter this sort of TvZ play?
Pookie, I dont get why in all ur games u get 2 more rax and get more marines. Zerg will almost always goes for banelings, isnt getting mauraders a better idea?
On February 05 2011 19:39 vahgar.r24 wrote: Pookie, I dont get why in all ur games u get 2 more rax and get more marines. Zerg will almost always goes for banelings, isnt getting mauraders a better idea?
On January 25 2011 09:28 RukKus wrote: Since someone already bumped this topic to the top, I figured I might also post here. I am on my work lunch break, growing very eager to try this build out when I get home. As you can see from another thread created by me, TvZ is my absolute worst matchup, and I seem to have no stable build to go by. Lately my strat has been, "Make some marines, marauders, tanks and hellions, throw them at Zerg, hope to win." Of course I don't win.
Versus Terran and Protoss I have a set build I do every single game, and it branches depending on what the Opponent does. As it should. Versus Zerg, it is quite random. I'm second guessing the entire game what my opponent is building and what I should be building.
Based on the replays from Pookie and others, I see the TvZ matchup much clearer now. I see the units Zerg responds with, I see the interactions between Pookie's build and the opponent's. I have 120 APM non-battle. (140-200 battle) and I feel I could pull something like this off. I will be testing the build order versus AI when I get home just to get comfortable with the orders and timings. And I hope to post here when I have some success with it. Banshee and Thor are extremely powerful, and the high DPS of marines to beautify this build makes it a threatening force.
I must ask, with the past few patches, has anything changed in this build? I See the topic was created many months ago and wonder what has happened in the metagame to counter this sort of TvZ play?
Thanks so much Pookie for your contribution!
i didnt realize people were still commenting on this thread ive changed this build somewhat as i now almost always do a two pronged attack with just one thor and my loaded medivac the thor hits the natural and the marine drop for the main it usually gives me a significant lead if i dont win outright, i also get to see his entire unit composition and tech at the same time.
I'm still using this build as one of my main tvz strats.
The most common problem I encounter whilst using this build is a ling bling muta mix, and multiple queens (which were build to fend off my banshees). ling bling run in and kill off all my marines and repairing scvs (even though I run back). After that, queens and mutas (magic boxed) kill my thors and the mutas are left to go to work on my banshees.
I was wondering Pookie, if u have the time, can u tell me how you deal with this sort of unit mix? Also, if u lose ur push to this unit mix, how do you follow up? I read somewhere u mentioned blue hellions. Is this the follow up u use for a baneling response?
Also, I'd be really interested in seeing how exactly u have changed the build and how u execute it now.
On February 05 2011 19:39 vahgar.r24 wrote: Pookie, I dont get why in all ur games u get 2 more rax and get more marines. Zerg will almost always goes for banelings, isnt getting mauraders a better idea?
I'll trade 50/0 marines for 75/25 banelings, delaying his tech and droning any day of the week.
On February 05 2011 19:39 vahgar.r24 wrote: Pookie, I dont get why in all ur games u get 2 more rax and get more marines. Zerg will almost always goes for banelings, isnt getting mauraders a better idea?
I'll trade 50/0 marines for 75/25 banelings, delaying his tech and droning any day of the week.
Banelings are 25 for a single ling and 25 minerals / 25 gas for banelings...
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