EPTHow to treat zerg FE as a weakness as terran EDIT - Page 9
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osten
Sweden316 Posts
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Doz
United States145 Posts
On November 23 2010 18:10 osten wrote: No, you don't have 85% against zerg, nobody does.... THIS On November 23 2010 21:57 Pookie Monster wrote: 85% win ratio against zerg Can easily result temporarily due to THIS On November 23 2010 21:57 Pookie Monster wrote: zergs ... playing ... dumb Resulting in THIS On November 23 2010 21:57 Pookie Monster wrote: im much higher rank now Eventually leading to THIS On November 23 2010 21:57 Pookie Monster wrote: a 65-70% win ratio against zerg. It's called "rushing" (Think in terms of poker ) where you're winning many hands/games in a short period of time due to being in the zone, opponents playing poorly, a short term mathematical anomaly (luck), or a combination of all 3. It's how I went from a mid level gold to low level diamond in a week and a half (and I'm still only 31-23, Doz.553 if you want to look) While it's true that after 1.1.2 the zerg became pretty reckless in their play, this is also a very solid build and is something close to what I've been trying to hammer out in the little bit I've been able to play. As more time goes by since release, I'm finding it more and more valuable to have more than 2-3 different types of units on the field, and this build is an excellent example of how to do so effectively. It's costly to open up so much of the available tech, but catching an opponent off guard with a strategy like this requires your opponent to mix up his own units just as much, something that takes time to do. I never feel so completely owned as when an opponent shows up at my base with almost every available unit for his race, really feels unstoppable no matter what my unit comp. is. | ||
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Pookie Monster
United States303 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:24 osten wrote: This build/strategy is horribly horribly good so why spice it up and lie again? The ladder system makes sure nobody has that kind of ratio.... The proof was and still is counteractive to your claim since it gets harder if you are higher ranked. You must lose 70% vs P or T in order for it to balance up.. I just.. Okay nevermind. Just take with you that I think the build is good. I am overfocusing on your extreme exaggeration. Sorry. haha i think your getting distracted by that, i prolly should remove that line as i no longer have that kind of win ratio now that im higher ranked than i was right after patch | ||
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Jengo
United States15 Posts
They have ALL been using a 2 rax no gas opening before transitioning. It would be pretty cool if we could figure out a way to incorporate the super early aggression of a 2 rax with a follow up double gas expand into drop banshee play with a thor timing push. With that sort of opening you would also not need the reactor and you'd get the same sort of aggression as the hellion poke. I'll try and work out some timings tonight. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
On October 27 2010 22:56 Pookie Monster wrote: if u have foxer grade marine micro or he neglects to make a baneling nest this push is absolutely devastating and ends many, MANY of my terran vs Zerg games. You have FoxeR marine micro. Baller I currently have a TvZ build I'm 10-1 with. The only loss was because of absolutely hilarious/epic fail. But when I hit the level I start losing with it I'll definitely give this a chance although I've done fast one base drop tactics since NaDa showed them in a video years ago  | ||
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Pookie Monster
United States303 Posts
On November 24 2010 01:42 HwangjaeTerran wrote: You have FoxeR marine micro. Baller I currently have a TvZ build I'm 10-1 with. The only loss was because of absolutely hilarious/epic fail. But when I hit the level I start losing with it I'll definitely give this a chance although I've done fast one base drop tactics since NaDa showed them in a video years ago are you not in diamond yet or low diamond? | ||
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jay236
29 Posts
Currently I'm a 1200+ Diamond Terran consistently beating 2200+ish Diamond Zergs with this strat. http://www.mediafire.com/?2t5b5yhyqrf0qb8 http://www.mediafire.com/?d6l3uipvw7u1oii Feedback is appreciated forthe replays. I believe the game on Lost Temple had a lot of miss-micro on my part. | ||
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Pookie Monster
United States303 Posts
On November 25 2010 05:21 jay236 wrote: Hey, I just want to add feedback to this topic since it's helped my game versus 14 hatch a lot (as opposed to just using FoxeR style rushing). Currently I'm a 1200+ Diamond Terran consistently beating 2200+ish Diamond Zergs with this strat. http://www.mediafire.com/?2t5b5yhyqrf0qb8 http://www.mediafire.com/?d6l3uipvw7u1oii Feedback is appreciated forthe replays. I believe the game on Lost Temple had a lot of miss-micro on my part. sorry i was away for thanksgiving or i would have replied sooner, your execution of my build is excellent, your dropship micro is very good, i typically go gas before barracks but if you find that this way works for you then thats good to, it just means your drop is later. in the lost temple game i think you pushed very late. if you pushed when you had your 2 thors you would have rolled him earlier and easier as all he had was a handful of lings and mutas and no baneling nest, luckily your rine micro forced him to waste all his banelings on your thors but be careful pushing that late as if he had got your marines instead the battle could have gone the other way. the shakuras one was spot on though and you kept the pressure up which is crucial, only thing i think you should improve on is getting your expo up sooner so you arent too far behind if the zerg handles your aggression better, other than that good Reps thanks for sharing keep squashing those bugs :o) | ||
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NadaSound
United States227 Posts
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Komsa
United States99 Posts
 One thing I noticed is that when fighting roaches/lings it'ss best to keep ur marines behind the thors cuase they need to stay around for when mutas fly in. What are your thoughts on how the strategy progresses when the drop didn't go so well and zerg is able to marco? Rines dieing seems big for me right now.Edit: Replay for ref: http://www.mediafire.com/?6nbh59ycna7isu8 | ||
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Pookie Monster
United States303 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:23 Komsa wrote: I like this strat a lot so far. The micro req' makes the strat' a little fragile in lag. Which sucks for me One thing I noticed is that when fighting roaches/lings it'ss best to keep ur marines behind the thors cuase they need to stay around for when mutas fly in. What are your thoughts on how the strategy progresses when the drop didn't go so well and zerg is able to marco? Rines dieing seems big for me right now.Edit: Replay for ref: http://www.mediafire.com/?6nbh59ycna7isu8 your not doing my build correctly at all, you should re watch my replays to get the timing and build order down better | ||
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Mcrat
Australia30 Posts
I'm low diamond (480ish  ) so my micro/macro isn't the greatest but as I'm playing the build more and getting more comfortable with it I'm really finding it's a lot of fun (and can see my being more successful with it as I keep practicing).This is my latest game with it against a high Plat player and the replay really shows the power of that early drop and how bad it can affect their game. http://www.mediafire.com/?qhrc9b7es59ygzk Rewatching it I slightly messed up some timings and could have taken out the overlord on my natural ledge, but overall I think it's pretty good. Just wanted to say thanks for the awesome build | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
Lings and banelings will fkin annhilate thors + scvs now.. bainshees get cut open by queens and spores + hydra.. What do you do when he has mass ling/baneling and muta against ur stuff? Marines melt, scvs melt, thors cantr do shit against mass lings, in comes maybe also muta and roaches to clean up.. and gg ;D? suggestionS? | ||
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Pookie Monster
United States303 Posts
On December 07 2010 22:22 MasterFischer wrote: How does this build do now that scvs are owned on PTR? Lings and banelings will fkin annhilate thors + scvs now.. bainshees get cut open by queens and spores + hydra.. What do you do when he has mass ling/baneling and muta against ur stuff? Marines melt, scvs melt, thors cantr do shit against mass lings, in comes maybe also muta and roaches to clean up.. and gg ;D? suggestionS? i have some great games recently to show how badly you need preignitor hellions after your first push for this build to be effective i dont have time to post now gotta go to work but look for them later | ||
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Pookie Monster
United States303 Posts
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vahgar.r24
India465 Posts
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Broodie
Canada832 Posts
kudos ill try these tonight as ive been having troubles tvz maybe cause of no thors or banshees if We are at a standpoint (unit trade offs no base pressure vulnerable) should I switch tech a lot? I usually feel as if I carry through a general composition and keep making that compo. it kills meeeh | ||
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xciLe
Norway213 Posts
and if that doesnt kill them. pump marauders if they go roach. and marines if zerglings | ||
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
On January 07 2011 03:13 Broodie wrote: this thread will allow me to insert my penis into my friends mouth god praise the internet | ||
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berimbau
Australia22 Posts
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