EPT[G] ZvT Muta vs. Thor - Page 10
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FunkyLich
United States107 Posts
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:29 Calidus wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2010 02:25 Pyrthas wrote: MW2 was hugely successful in that it sold tons of units and made tons of money. It is not as successful as a competitive game. It seems pretty clear that people are operating with two different notions of success here. (Edit: MW2 was, for instance, the best selling piece of entertainment in the UK last year in terms of units moved, not just money spent. It sold 33% more units than the second-place finisher, a Harry Potter DVD, despite costing so much more.) Pyrthas u hit the nail on the head ty BW and CS is success, and that is the kind of success I think most people on TL refer too. Sellling millions of copy and being a horrible game like MW2 is not. Realize that many people bought MW2 cause MW1 was such a good game, and then getting facefucked by Activision. | ||
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Bull-Demon
United States582 Posts
People need to stop looking to Blizzard for answers and instead look at the fucking game you're playing. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:40 Bull-Demon wrote: I can't believe people are asking to buff thors..? Seriously? People need to stop looking to Blizzard for answers and instead look at the fucking game you're playing. Yeah seriously. "YOU MEAN I CANT MAKE 1 UNIT AND WIN EVERYTHING ANYMORE? NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF!!!!!!!!" | ||
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RxN
United States255 Posts
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0c3LoT
Canada162 Posts
Casters need to stop talking out of their ass, even Day9 and the other caster during the IEM semi-finals were saying Idra was using some previously unknown technique. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:35 blastedt wrote: Haven't people been doing this for ages against Valkyries and Corsairs in Brood War? Yeah and especially against archons .... | ||
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eNyoron
United States170 Posts
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Phisk
166 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:46 0c3LoT wrote: Why is Idra getting credit for introducing this to NA/Europe? Casters need to stop talking out of their ass, even Day9 and the other caster during the IEM semi-finals were saying Idra was using some previously unknown technique. Just cause they're commentators doesn't mean that they know of every technique for every race. It was new to them, they got exited. I for one hasn't seen this being used in high level pro games before, even tho people has known about it for some time. | ||
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ZergSecks
Sweden35 Posts
It was awesome to see. :-) | ||
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HowardRoark
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argie
Croatia31 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:24 Calidus wrote: I am not saying they should or should not buff thors because of this play style. what i am saying it you can't use the argument that players should not have to use specific micro technique to make units effective. Those people who don't use this technique will need to learn it. Edit: is suck at english Need to learn it? You are not serious? | ||
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herberdotcom
7 Posts
First of all, this magic box technique finally gives Zerg players like me the opportunity to play proactively, rather than purely reactively. Second, this will result in some entertaining battles for spectators. I think that we'll see players who commit to 100% mech support thors with ravens for HSM and PDD, which means that 200/200 fights will involve more micro, as Zerg players run from HSM and try to take down PDD without stacking. T can also go biomech, mainly marine/tank. The zerg will go bling/muta/ling of course. This will also be entertaining for spectators because the terran must put himself in a position for his sieged tanks to engage the mass banelings at max range, target firing the blings while the marines run away, giving the Zerg player the opportunitiy to snipe tanks w/ mutas for a few seconds. Its a tense scenario, where either side can come away with a one sided victory if he outmicro's the other. We've already seen Morrow and thestc play games like this. Definitely starting to see opportunities for there to be more micro in SC2 than SC1 (but still less macro,) which is very exciting. | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:53 HowardRoark wrote: I wonder: is it a real BW magic box, do you have to select the units by moving the mouse from one corner of the box to the other, or can I just double click one muta to select all and it will work the same? That's not how magic boxes worked in BW... | ||
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koOma
Norway462 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:46 0c3LoT wrote: Why is Idra getting credit for introducing this to NA/Europe? Casters need to stop talking out of their ass, even Day9 and the other caster during the IEM semi-finals were saying Idra was using some previously unknown technique. it was unknown in competetive play until today. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
Duh you spread against anything with splash but that isn't the interesting part. Many people including myself weren't familiar with auto spread or the small splash of the thor. + Show Spoiler + Check 3:55 in the video. It's of Idra using mutalisks against thors. See how he has to manually spread mutalisks? Then comes a cute technique that facilitates the process and damage is minimized | ||
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Shika
Sweden1711 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:21 Phisk wrote: I find it VERY hard to believe that IdrA didnt know about this before, if you watched the game you could see he knew exactly what he was doing, he didnt just stumple across this in this thread and read about it, it was clearly something he had practiced. Its safe to say he hasnt known about it for too long tho, as he apparently told Apollo before that he found a "new" technique to counter mech. I would assume people, including IdrA, knew about this trick but hadn't fully explored its potential until fairly recently. Do you realize how easy it is to use? It's not like he would have to train day and night for weeks to practice it. I could pull it off perfectly the first time I tried it and i'd imagine pretty much any zerg player could. Just order your mutas to fly past (normal move command) the thors and hit "H" when you're over their heads. You could hardly call it micro. | ||
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Phisk
166 Posts
On August 22 2010 03:03 Shika wrote: Do you realize how easy it is to use? It's not like he would have to train day and night for weeks to practice it. I could pull it off perfectly the first time I tried it and i'd imagine pretty much any zerg player could. Just order your mutas to fly past (normal move command) the thors and hit "H" when you're over their heads. You could hardly call it micro. Im not talking about the micro, I'm talking about the mass muta anti-thor/mech build, which obviously relies heavily on magic boxing. Also, thinking one of the best zergs in the world doesnt know about something that is considered "common sense" to any competative zerg is ridiculous. | ||
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brn4meplz
Canada98 Posts
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Pking
Sweden142 Posts
On August 22 2010 03:18 Phisk wrote: Im not talking about the micro, I'm talking about the mass muta anti-thor/mech build, which obviously relies heavily on magic boxing. Also, thinking one of the best zergs in the world doesnt know about something that is considered "common sense" to any competative zerg is ridiculous. Watched a cast uploaded by HDStarcraft recently where IdrA did clump his mutas when engaging thors: (4 minutes in). Not sure when this was played. | ||
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