Starcraft II seems pretty balanced right now. Protoss could use some touching up to boost them a little bit right now and I think it wouldn't hurt to take a look at the marines but overall starcraft is in a really good spot.

knyttym

United States5797 Posts

October 17 2011 15:59 GMT

#184

Anyone else changed their mind after MLG?
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Idra beating bomber was bigger than any other win in all of IEM, ipl, and mlg. Actually a top top korean losing to a foreigner. IPL and iem showed foreigners can compete with mid tier koreans which was already known. Idra showed that foreigners can compete with top level koreans. I'd probably include huk > mkp as well but I didn't watch the games.

ZanXala

Sweden26 Posts

October 17 2011 16:02 GMT

#185

I think PvZ is imbalanced in favor of Protoss, Terran also seemed a bit strong with ghosts lategame vs zerg, but now I've seen so many zerg players figuring it out. People allways use the argument that "no protosses in the GSL does good", that's just not true, because it's almost allways a protoss in the code a finals lately, and the reason there's not that many in code s it's because... well look at which players are there - HongUn, SangHo -.- I guess HuK is kinda good but still he doesn't deserve to go longer than i does.

suxN

Finland1167 Posts

October 17 2011 16:02 GMT

#186

Terran is strong only with great micro, otherwise all aoe blasts them away. I absolutely love that terrans can make marines against everything. There is more to strategy games than deciding which units to do.

XastoC

Canada59 Posts

October 17 2011 16:04 GMT

#187

I guess protoss need a little help

VirgilSC2

United States6151 Posts

October 17 2011 16:32 GMT

#188

I'm very hesitant to comment on balance, as I'm coming off of a 2-Day ban for balance whine, but:

I really think High Templars need something. As of now they have no defense mechanic like Infestors/Ghosts, on top of being the slowest of the 3.

Infestors: Always deal full effectiveness of Fungal Growth if landed properly (impossible to micro out of), average movespeed, burrow AND movement, energy upgrade as well as two up-gradable spells, AoE spell available without research.

Ghosts: Always deal full effectiveness of EMP if landed properly (impossible to micro out of), average movespeed, Cloak, able to attack, energy upgrade, AoE spell, as well as snipe available without research, nuke available upon creation

High Templar: Storms do not always deal full effectiveness if landed properly (possible to micro out of), slow movespeed, unable to defend themselves or hide, able to morph into Archon with even numbers, AoE spell requires research, no Energy upgrade, no effective third spell

I think that's a fair analysis of the three, if it comes off biased I apologize. I won't even begin to bring up the range issue.

I think if High Templars get a bit of an adjustment (perhaps a movespeed buff/storm available instantly/some sort of defensive mechanic) then I'll feel a bit better about the game.

Kompicek

Czech Republic245 Posts

October 17 2011 16:51 GMT

#189

No, i still think the infestors should be a bit weaker. I also think that terran is still too strong in the early game.

jmertelj

Slovenia84 Posts

October 17 2011 16:59 GMT

#190

GSL: TvT
IPL: ZvZ
MLG: PvP
I GUESS, THAT' BALANCED :S

Kcheddar

United States21 Posts

October 17 2011 17:02 GMT

#191

I've always thought TvP was way too imba for terrans at the highest level but after watching MC and Huk kill off some of the best TvP players in the world I'm starting to rethink a bit.

Caddy

United Kingdom178 Posts

October 17 2011 17:20 GMT

#192

No, not really.

It was nice to see that a smart Toss can still mix it up, but on the whole, I still think it's a weaker race (not at the level I play at, but at the professional level).

What this tournament has shown, though, is that it's not impossible.

Velvet_Llama

United States25 Posts

October 17 2011 17:25 GMT

#193

You want to know what is horribly unbalanced? Well I'll tell you. Day9's boyish charms- totally imba.

Denzil

United Kingdom4193 Posts

October 17 2011 17:38 GMT

#194

There is no problem with balance right now that makes me claw my eyes out.

The problem is people's perceived imbalance, the 'Sad Zealot Fan Club' for instance there was no need for it, Protoss smashed GSTL and got into finals in IEM and MLG. There was no balance problem much the same as there wasn't for Zerg and Terran each got their share of wins and high finishes.

simpler

Sweden49 Posts

October 17 2011 17:45 GMT

#195

Ambiguous question like someone said, but no I haven't changed my mind and I still think it's pretty balanced.

ChoDing

United States740 Posts

October 17 2011 18:01 GMT

#196

Protoss, always underdog

Zanno

United States1484 Posts

October 17 2011 18:04 GMT

#197

i answered no, and to see why just look at the brackets from the last MLG

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando#Championship_Bracket

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out of the strong terrans that showed up, puma eliminated polt, and then MC somehow eliminated puma

if idra lost to bomber, or polt beat puma, i'm convinced that either of them would have crushed through mc and huk easily, and the sad zealot club would be sadder than ever

because huk and mc managed to avoid playing code s terrans, it doesn't change my thoughts on balance at all

i guess they did both beat marineking, but he's really inconsistent lately

Cloud9157

United States2968 Posts

October 17 2011 18:05 GMT

#198

From my pov, Protoss has improved themselves severely in the few weeks since patch.

Be it as it may, they may still be a little weak, but its not too bad anymore. This game will be balanced when we stop seeing 20 Terrans in Code S. I can see maybe 10-15 Terrans in Code S at a time, but when over half of Code S is Terran, you know theres something wrong.

Just what I think, feel free to take it worth a grain of salt.

TheToast

United States4808 Posts

October 17 2011 18:24 GMT

#199

SC2 is starting to look like a really balanced game to me. Finally in MLG Orlando we saw a final that wasn't entirely tvt; despite the presence of some very high level Korean terran players only one terran in the top 4. I think every single protoss unit was used at least once in the championship bracket as well which is very encouraging.

After both Orlando and IEM, I think there can be no doubt that tvz has been fixed.

SupLilSon

Malaysia4123 Posts

October 17 2011 18:44 GMT

#200

No. I've always thought that protoss was fine, if not a bit strong actually. Protoss players are just way behind in the metagame (especially korean toss), and are now just beginning to try out new strategies.