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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 16 2011 19:14 GMT
#1
No, the game is fine.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
October 16 2011 19:14 GMT
#2
very ambiguous question...
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
October 16 2011 19:15 GMT
#3
I kind of think the game seems quite balanced right now, too. I hope Blizzard won't touch the game for a while now so we'll see whether it is or not.
Parting
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
October 16 2011 19:15 GMT
#4
game is quite balanced. i like
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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 16 2011 19:17 GMT
#5
Just a few interrogations about the strength of marines in late-game TvT but nothing serious to be honest. I'm fine with current game balance.
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Beaza
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany203 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 19:20:28
October 16 2011 19:17 GMT
#6
Figuring out what people think that vote No will be very hard because..

-No and im not a whiner
-No and im still a whiner

I think its balanced and have thought so before
Drolla
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom389 Posts
October 16 2011 19:18 GMT
#7
I would say the game is well balanced, just a few tweaks here and there needed I believe.
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
October 16 2011 19:18 GMT
#8
Just bolsters my current opinion. Hopefully HoTS will rectify the situation
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
October 16 2011 19:19 GMT
#9
No. I always stays as neutral as possible when it comes to balance. Thinking something's imbalanced just posions your mind. I follow Stephano's stance on this.
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VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
October 16 2011 19:20 GMT
#10
Off course. How else am I to form an opinion on balance if not from recent tournament results?
JustLikeThat
Profile Joined October 2011
Russian Federation2 Posts
October 16 2011 19:20 GMT
#11
After MLG I change my thoughts about zvt.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 16 2011 19:21 GMT
#12
The game is pretty good at this point, at least for a Zerg I guess toss could be doing a little better in GSL, but they are doing fine out of korea
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red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 16 2011 19:22 GMT
#13
Well MVP is still imba, so no. :D
OmnIMinD
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands9 Posts
October 16 2011 19:23 GMT
#14
tournaments have almost nothing to do with balance in the first place
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
October 16 2011 19:28 GMT
#15
In general I think caster units are way too strong in SC2 and atm terran has a caster unit that is:

1) much lower in the tech tree compared to other races
2) much cheaper to get out compared to other races
3) has two abilities that don't require much energy for how strong they are

Until Blizzard fixes fundamental problems relating to the balance of caster units (and a few other units in the game) I still see the racial balance widely switching between races each time Blizzard "fixes" something else.
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
October 16 2011 19:34 GMT
#16
no I still think terran is too good early game
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NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
October 16 2011 19:38 GMT
#17
I think the game is mostly balanced
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TheBomb
Profile Joined October 2011
237 Posts
October 16 2011 19:40 GMT
#18
No. I always thought Zerg is the most powerful race and that they just didn't have good enough players to show it apart from Nestea and recently its been shown that zerg are way too powerful when played at its best.

It also reafirms my thoughts that Protoss is the weakest race at the moment and that they need a bit of buffs to get back in the game.

It makes sense to balance the game for Korea as that is where the best players play and the fact that no protoss has been able to do any good just shows that at the highest levels of play protoss are no doubt the weaker race.
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
October 16 2011 19:42 GMT
#19
Game seems fine to me.
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TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
October 16 2011 19:54 GMT
#20
A little but I think it's mostly because the players know how to stop all-ins, still I think something has been a bit more balanced.
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
October 16 2011 20:06 GMT
#21
protoss is still weak
Long live the Boss Toss!
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
October 16 2011 20:18 GMT
#22
I want to think so, but if you look at Premier events, the last win for Protoss was IPL 2 by WhiteRa, and that was played in like early July, right? Also, aren't Huk and SangHo the only Code S toss now?

I'm happy to see Protoss getting farther in tournaments, but I want to see a win, hopefully we'll see something from Huk today.

It's a bit less frustrating I'll admit, there are fewer games where it just felt like "lol ok SURREE this game is balanced." Still, I want to see a win.
They're fools. You should eat them.
Archie_Lewis
Profile Joined July 2011
Czech Republic87 Posts
October 16 2011 20:20 GMT
#23
Does no mean "no, the game is balanced," or "no, sad protoss is still sad?" Protoss is really sad now
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green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
October 16 2011 20:35 GMT
#24
On October 17 2011 05:06 mrRoflpwn wrote:
protoss is still weak


protoss is fine, protoss player on the other hand .....
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yeowan123
Profile Joined September 2011
2 Posts
October 16 2011 20:35 GMT
#25
lmao all you fking retards terran is op

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Atlas247
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada318 Posts
October 16 2011 20:37 GMT
#26
Game is pretty balanced and now it still is? not sure how to answer this one
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seiplo
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden25 Posts
October 16 2011 20:38 GMT
#27
no i have always thought terran was the best race but its more obvious now so i guess a little?
im da bawz
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
October 16 2011 20:39 GMT
#28
I think its pretty balanced presently but I dont have the skill to make a very good call so I voted no.
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Despote
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada2 Posts
October 16 2011 20:40 GMT
#29
People will say protoss is underpower, and I'll tell them that this is only because protoss are using only gateway units.
Thebbeuttiffulland
Profile Joined October 2011
Brazil288 Posts
October 16 2011 20:53 GMT
#30
i still think that protoss is strongest because of their head to head fight but its close to balanced
truth is out there
Gackt_
Profile Joined March 2010
335 Posts
October 16 2011 20:55 GMT
#31
Voted No - Terran is still too strong at the very top play of Starcraft 2. No changed opinion.
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 21:17:54
October 16 2011 21:17 GMT
#32
On October 17 2011 05:40 Despote wrote:
People will say protoss is underpower, and I'll tell them that this is only because protoss are using only gateway units.


I know, people should get carriers, motherships, void rays, and colossi! Like Hongun did! Before getting utterly raped...

Sorry, but the reason they are used so much is because our higher tech units are pretty dependent on the tanking of zealots and archons, the usefulness of sentries, and the versatility of stalkers. Unfortunately, these units don't do much damage and scale pretty poorly with upgrades (except archons). They also need to tank for colossi. They are also more mobile due to warp. They need to be the dominant part of the army.

Also, ONLY gateway units? I've seen at least 10 colossi, 10 immortals, a few warp prisms (which have appeared in many games lately), five phoenixes, five void rays, five carriers, and two motherships in the past 10 pro games I've watched.

People need to stop having the one-size-fits-all solution for a race's struggles. If you knew better than the pros, you'd probably be a pro. If you were right, the pros would have figured it out.
They're fools. You should eat them.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
October 16 2011 21:18 GMT
#33
I've always thought the game was pretty well balanced.
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GhostNova
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany42 Posts
October 16 2011 21:19 GMT
#34
Tournaments are never a good indicator for balance ! Balance is really good !
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
October 16 2011 21:22 GMT
#35
Yes, meaning that the game IS balanced.
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
October 16 2011 21:23 GMT
#36
1st of all, this question is kinda dumb. Changed your opinion in what way? Are you asking if we think it's more balanced or less balanced?
Andway, I still very stongly believe Zerg players win tournaments only because they are so much more skilled than their Terran counterparts. They have to be in order to compensate for the balance, and then some.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 21:26:43
October 16 2011 21:25 GMT
#37
Nope, I never think there is something OP. Its all player's mistakes or just not knowing the right answer at that moment - so the game is balanced
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
October 16 2011 21:26 GMT
#38
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
October 16 2011 21:28 GMT
#39
This is just a troll-poll.
It doesn't even mean anything!
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DrBoo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1177 Posts
October 16 2011 21:30 GMT
#40
Figured terran was imbalanced since release, and the results have been just helping show its true.
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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
October 16 2011 21:31 GMT
#41
No it hasn't, never felt there was any imbalance going on anyway. Just good and bad play.
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Dbla08
Profile Joined March 2011
United States211 Posts
October 16 2011 21:31 GMT
#42
Figuring out what people think that vote No will be very hard because..

-No and im not a whiner
-No and im still a whiner

I think its balanced and have thought so before


interesting thought, and if you (albeit arbitrarily and without any real backing other than that it seems to work) figure that to be a roughly 50-50 split between those that answered No, there'd be a nearly even spread between the 4 answers
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
October 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#43
Yea I think once Terran gets removed from StarCraft the game will be perfectly balanced. lol jk ^_^ I think the balance is pretty good right now but there is a reason we see majority Terrans in GSL... and is not because "all the good players play Terran". :-P
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
October 16 2011 21:50 GMT
#44
My previous opinion was that the game was pretty balanced.

This tournament confirmed that more than changed it.
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gentile
Profile Joined August 2007
Switzerland594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 21:52:30
October 16 2011 21:50 GMT
#45
No it hasnt changed my view. I still QQ after every loss, no matter the race, the opponent and so on../s
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
October 16 2011 22:04 GMT
#46
I think the game is fine, just make pvp a bit more dynamic and it's good game =D
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WebsblobTwo
Profile Joined August 2011
13 Posts
October 16 2011 22:04 GMT
#47
Terran is still better than the other races IMO.
dashmode
Profile Joined August 2011
60 Posts
October 16 2011 22:10 GMT
#48
Does anyone also think that these maps used lately in tournaments are super imbalanced in zerg favor? Some of them would work with close spawns from my point of view, but with cross spawns it is so unbelievable hard for terran or protoss army to keep up with speed of the zerg that it is almost unwinnable for them. They have to defend all the time and at the same time they can't keep up with macro of zerg. The only thing that could help terran in these situations is medivac-drop play so I would like to see how MMA would handle it, but if even he would fail to it then I don't know what to say.

Also, I cannot believe how maps are underrated in balance discussions and maps are imo main reason why zerg is doing so well lately.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
October 16 2011 22:20 GMT
#49
No protoss is still too weak
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Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
October 16 2011 22:23 GMT
#50
2 more expansions people.
Marksofshame
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada41 Posts
October 16 2011 22:27 GMT
#51
One tournament with 2 toss in top 6 isn't going to change my mind. Once code s has somewhat near equal race distribution, my mind will be changed.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
October 16 2011 22:30 GMT
#52
The Sase puma series hurt my feelings.
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FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
October 16 2011 22:30 GMT
#53
I saw a 2 trends while viewing the TP vs Z games at MLG which I found very disheartening. 1) Bunker rushing seemed to be far too easy and successful. 2) blink stalker games almost always ended in victory for the P.

Whenever I saw either of those 2 strategies used while watching the couple hundred games over the weekend they ended in a victory against the Zerg player like 80% of the time. The few times that I saw the Z defend it they were typically too behind to make a serious comeback. The times I saw the Z win it happened when the T or P clearly made a mistake.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 16:47:32
October 16 2011 22:33 GMT
#54
On October 17 2011 07:30 Oreo7 wrote:
The Sase puma series hurt my feelings.


This. As long as that kind of thing happens all the time (thank you for that Puma), Protoss will remain weak to my eyes.

Although, if all races decide to play macro fair and square, I think it's pretty balanced. Early game protoss is just too fragile. And one base terran too strong.
LHR
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada81 Posts
October 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#55
protoss still up
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
October 16 2011 22:42 GMT
#56
not really, PvZ is still freakn hard, and Terran is still OP
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sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 23:11:01
October 16 2011 23:10 GMT
#57
nope... foreigner zergs are just really good
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Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
October 16 2011 23:12 GMT
#58
On October 17 2011 05:35 green.at wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 05:06 mrRoflpwn wrote:
protoss is still weak


protoss is fine, protoss player on the other hand .....


Protoss players learn't how to deal with terran, 1-1-1 was never op, nothing Terran players has is, people slowly learn to adapt every time there is QQ and its happening again.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
October 16 2011 23:13 GMT
#59
Hrmm i feel Protoss has a bit of advantage in PvZ.

TvP Protoss a little bit underpowered if Terran Micros well. (But Recent Tournament Results)(Fast double Forged Builds) Changed my mind a bit... i'm starting to think its more balanced.

Then we have TvZ.. I think TvZ is definitely the most Balanced Match-up by Far.

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ChewbroCColi
Profile Joined July 2009
Denmark108 Posts
October 16 2011 23:14 GMT
#60
No game is fine. And besides.. We still got two expansions to go so no whining please.
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
October 16 2011 23:16 GMT
#61
I'm surprised at the results of this poll. I think a lot of people are lying. I've seen a ton of things the past few weeks that have made me rethink a lot of matchups.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
October 16 2011 23:16 GMT
#62
No, protoss is still too weak in my opinion blizzard should bring amulter kaldarym back and nerf ghosts.
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Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
October 16 2011 23:21 GMT
#63
Protoss is still too unforgiving / maybe weak. Needs to be a better way to deal with EMP and a viable opener vs Zerg.
WickedSkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Netherlands81 Posts
October 17 2011 00:07 GMT
#64
On October 17 2011 04:14 Talin wrote:
No, the game is fine.

No, the game is heavily favoring zerg.
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Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
October 17 2011 00:10 GMT
#65
I thought protoss' were making a comeback and mlg cemented it for me.
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deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
October 17 2011 00:27 GMT
#66
You can't say anything about balance on TL without being accussed of whining or having the thread closed.

It is patently obvious that zerg has no options vs terran in the early game and can only hope to defend against a wide variety of aggression, harass and all ins. There is no unit combination for Z to effeciently fight vs colosus based deathball. Ghosts are good against everything protoss and zerg have. Hellions are cheap but potentially game ending.

Don't ever mention any of this though.
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FishBones
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia195 Posts
October 17 2011 00:29 GMT
#67
game was fine, still seems fine.
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MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
October 17 2011 00:38 GMT
#68
On October 17 2011 09:27 deathly rat wrote:
You can't say anything about balance on TL without being accussed of whining or having the thread closed.

It is patently obvious that zerg has no options vs terran in the early game and can only hope to defend against a wide variety of aggression, harass and all ins. There is no unit combination for Z to effeciently fight vs colosus based deathball. Ghosts are good against everything protoss and zerg have. Hellions are cheap but potentially game ending.

Don't ever mention any of this though.


You're actually complaining about imbalance towards zerg? rofl.... I'm saying this as a random player... U actually made me laugh xd.

Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
October 17 2011 00:51 GMT
#69
No, I still think its pretty fair, but I thought it was fair before the patch. I can only hope this result will stop protoss players from bitching for at least a couple days.

Huk and MC showed that played the right way protoss is no weaker than the other 2 races at the highest levels today. If a player losers they got outplayed, enough said.
kilergrunt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States263 Posts
October 17 2011 00:58 GMT
#70
PvP finals for mlg. I find it hard to say Protoss is under powered after watching the games.
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Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
October 17 2011 01:02 GMT
#71
Unless Ghosts were removed then no.
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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
October 17 2011 01:03 GMT
#72
On October 17 2011 04:40 TheBomb wrote:
No. I always thought Zerg is the most powerful race and that they just didn't have good enough players to show it apart from Nestea and recently its been shown that zerg are way too powerful when played at its best.

It also reafirms my thoughts that Protoss is the weakest race at the moment and that they need a bit of buffs to get back in the game.

It makes sense to balance the game for Korea as that is where the best players play and the fact that no protoss has been able to do any good just shows that at the highest levels of play protoss are no doubt the weaker race.

The problem with Korea isn't balance, it's the way that GSL has been set up and the fact that the rankings are still loosely based upon how well people were doing a year ago (back when Terran was, the strongest race). It's really difficult to get through Code A and get into Code S--however, it isn't impossible. Puzzle, for instance, was a really great player who was not in Code S until his run through Code A.

I understand that you want to balance the game for Korea (and I understand your argument), but I think that the main reason isn't because Terran is that much better, but rather that the Korean Terran metagame is more developed than that of any other race. Outside of Korea, the various strategies and styles have developed at about the same pace for each race, and frankly the distribution of winners of tournaments has been pretty balanced, with a slight favor to Protoss players winning it (excluding Koreans, I feel like I see more Protoss players ranking high such as White-Ra, HuK, NaNiwa, MaNa, ect.).

Korea, on the other hand is totally different. First you have tournaments filled with Terran players because half of them qualified to be there six months to an entire year ago and have scraped by to stay in. The other reason for the huge number of great Terran players is because you have houses like SlayerS and IM that are these huge congregations of mostly Terran players. Namely, the SlayerS house seems to consistently come up with new innovative styles that are so fresh and new when used in tournaments, that nobody has any real idea how to handle them (aka MLG Anaheim...).

Personally, I think the game was pretty balanced back before the Blue Flame Hellion and Barracks time nerfs, but now Terran is slightly weaker (but not too much so). I think that Blizzard needs to give more time to new strategies, rather than nerfing them the second that they win a major tournament (Reaper speed, Thor cannons, Blue Flame Hellions, ect. ). I think that with the latest patch, while Terrans will still win in Korea, outside of Korea we're not going to see many Terrans win tournaments other than those who have stayed in Korea.

Overall though I think the game is pretty balanced, and recent results haven't really changed my view.
ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 17 2011 01:05 GMT
#73
A little bit.
I didnt expect protoss to be able to top 2 (the bracket for both couldve been harder, but they were not easy, just standard prolly) with MKP, Bomber, thestc and polt in the tournament.
Although i believe neither MC nor HuK wouldve been able to beat Bomber, i gained some faith in the race i play again.
omarjuul
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands7 Posts
October 17 2011 01:06 GMT
#74
On October 17 2011 05:35 green.at wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 05:06 mrRoflpwn wrote:
protoss is still weak


protoss is fine, protoss player on the other hand .....


Okay so every progamer that plays protoss just happens to be weaker or train less than his zerg or terran buddies?
I chose 'a little' as (spoilers about MLG Orlando) + Show Spoiler +
seeing 2 protosses in the finals tonight made me believe they actually still have some power. HuK made StG look so weak in the match on Antiga Shipyard especially, imho.
Good stuff!
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Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
October 17 2011 01:19 GMT
#75
Not really. Infestors are still too strong, Marauders are still badly designed, Protoss is still too weak.
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ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
October 17 2011 01:21 GMT
#76
Nope.
Terran still too versatile
Protoss still too rigid and fragile
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black3200
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada74 Posts
October 17 2011 01:29 GMT
#77
I think as people understand the game more its becoming balanced, so yeah its good
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uThermal
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
October 17 2011 01:36 GMT
#78
On October 17 2011 09:27 deathly rat wrote:
You can't say anything about balance on TL without being accussed of whining or having the thread closed.

It is patently obvious that zerg has no options vs terran in the early game and can only hope to defend against a wide variety of aggression, harass and all ins. There is no unit combination for Z to effeciently fight vs colosus based deathball. Ghosts are good against everything protoss and zerg have. Hellions are cheap but potentially game ending.

Don't ever mention any of this though.


i wonder what race u play
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Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
October 17 2011 01:41 GMT
#79
On October 17 2011 10:05 ThisGS wrote:
A little bit.
I didnt expect protoss to be able to top 2 (the bracket for both couldve been harder, but they were not easy, just standard prolly) with MKP, Bomber, thestc and polt in the tournament.
Although i believe neither MC nor HuK wouldve been able to beat Bomber, i gained some faith in the race i play again.

pretty much my opinion too. quite surprising that Bomber lost one match to each race (wtf, SaSe?), but apart from that polt, thestc and MKP are only the bottom half of the code-s-terrans. i dont think that you can decide overall balance when one of the best, if not the best current playing P wins the tournament, if like the 8 most successive Ts and 3 most successive Zs arent even participating.
but it increases the impression that toss is coming back, so i voted a little bit.
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Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
October 17 2011 01:44 GMT
#80
Tournament results can only change my opinion on the skill of players.

It is the ever evolving strategies and apparent effectiveness or futility of them across many games which decides my opinions on balance.
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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
October 17 2011 01:48 GMT
#81
no, terran protoss still imba in my eyes
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Imdabossg
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3 Posts
October 17 2011 01:59 GMT
#82
One thing to look at when considering balance is how many zerg, protoss, or terran are in the tournament to begin with the last MLG had a much more balanced number than some before it so it is no wonder that the semifinals where so mixed. Same with IPL 3.
Gbaby
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2 Posts
October 17 2011 02:00 GMT
#83
Terran is op, seriously marines are amazing, blizzard wake up and balance the game.
U mad bro?
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
October 17 2011 02:11 GMT
#84
No, Terrans are still a bit too strong at the highest levels (Korean pro-level, and the few foreigners that can compete). MLG/IEM are both really fun tournaments, but the size of the field (in terms of top-level, Code S-capable players) is too small to really draw much from the results.
Doof
Profile Joined October 2010
United States204 Posts
October 17 2011 02:20 GMT
#85
I feel I should preface this by saying I play Protoss, and thus may be a little biased...

I think there is a fundamental problem with the game balance as it stands. The problem is, of course, Terran. As a race, they are not only the best at being defensive, they are also the most flexible when it comes to tech. Siege mode and PFs make bases impenetrable to a HUGE variety of ground-based attacks. Bunkers are really good, salvageable, and require only a barracks to construct (Toss must have forge for our static D). Furthermore, Terran tech, due to the add-on mechanic, is extremely flexible. It's quite easy for them to swap reactors and tech labs to get out the exact right composition that they need. Combine this with the fact that they have the best ability to be defensive, and Terran can have the perfect composition in nearly every fight they choose to engage in.

Zerg is, of course, even more flexible than Terran in this regard, but the simple fact remains that Zerg units are (by design) weaker than Terran units. That's just how The Swarm operates. Meanwhile Protoss is so inflexible in their tech that once their chosen tech is sufficiently countered, they're no threat until they can get up another form of an advantage.

No one is playing perfectly right now (Nestea and MVP are damn close, though), and until players get near perfect, the true balance of the game can't be seen. All we have to go on is theorycrafting, and theoretically, I dont' see any way either of the other races can beat a Terran in a game where neither player makes mistakes.
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mumming
Profile Joined June 2010
Faroe Islands256 Posts
October 17 2011 02:26 GMT
#86
No. Protoss was never underpowered. It just wasn't used right.
clanbrown
Profile Joined August 2011
United States9 Posts
October 17 2011 02:29 GMT
#87
the game balance is fine, protoss players have been playing very poorly so they havent been winning. dont blame balance for everything blame the players preparation.

1.4 did very little to help balance this game but people will credit the patch so they dont have to admit their favorite player is/was playing bad
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
October 17 2011 02:33 GMT
#88
Most of the protoss changes weren't really balancing but changing the unit to what they should have been in the first place
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
October 17 2011 02:35 GMT
#89
I've thought terran is OP for a while now and still do, but I play zerg so yea...

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Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 02:47:58
October 17 2011 02:47 GMT
#90
It's impossible to tell if the game is balanced or not because nobody, even at the top level, is playing very well yet. We see a multitude of mistakes every single game from every single "top" player, and even without mistakes, there are obvious areas where there is room for more efficiency and better play.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
October 17 2011 02:51 GMT
#91
Nope, never thought the game was violently imbalanced.
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
October 17 2011 02:53 GMT
#92
idk what toss can do to be in code S more, but with MC's return to code S i think all is right in the world of balance. Maybe we just need to be more like Sage and MC
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ExorArgus
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada46 Posts
October 17 2011 02:56 GMT
#93
I see people saying that protoss are still "underpowered" not only did a protoss win MLG. But it was a PvP finals...
Some people tell me Protoss is OP, Zerg can have over 200 supply, terrans can have kill their SCV and use mules. I hate probes.
JACCUZISPLAT
Profile Joined October 2011
Uzbekistan76 Posts
October 17 2011 03:19 GMT
#94
Honestly I still think Terran is still strong. I'm very interested in what Browder has to say at blizzcon.
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Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
October 17 2011 03:20 GMT
#95
No because I thought the game was balanced beforehand and I still think it is.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
October 17 2011 03:28 GMT
#96
I still think protoss has problems in the early game and against late game zerg, but overall, the balance is significantly better thanks to the patch. I'm looking forward to an surge of protoss in code A next season.
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ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
October 17 2011 03:47 GMT
#97
On October 17 2011 11:56 ExorArgus wrote:
I see people saying that protoss are still "underpowered" not only did a protoss win MLG. But it was a PvP finals...

Yeah because that actually means anything. Both players only beat a few terrans and balance can't be judged on a few series. Because there was basically an all Protoss group this was bound to happen. Also Huk and MC are the best protosses of all time, MC has been out of form but he's actually won a GSL (two infact) which is more than any other protoss can say. What we saw at MLG were two protosses overcoming the current imbalance by massively outplaying their opponents in a very limited amount of games.

Protoss is losing far too much to Terran and Zerg in silly ways. Protoss is far too fragile and far to cost ineffective against terran, and far too impotent against zerg.
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AusBox
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia214 Posts
October 17 2011 04:03 GMT
#98
Nope, my views haven't changed. When the GSL is race balanced and every race is winning tournaments evenly when all the best players from each race are involved, then maybe my judgement will change.
Zebrapudding
Profile Joined March 2011
United States66 Posts
October 17 2011 04:03 GMT
#99
EMP still does way to much damage to the protoss army, especially for its cost..
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 17 2011 04:08 GMT
#100
No, it hasn't changed my opinion on balance, which is largely based around the fact that terran has too many options and is thus fluid as opposed to the stoic nature of Protoss and the economic nature of Zerg.

That and ghosts.

Other recent tournament results show MVP being unbeatable, MKP winning a tournament, MMA seemingly becoming hard to beat and Taeja making ELO points look like a joke. So despite four recent zerg wins and now 1 protoss win, yeah toss ain't suddenly looking part of the crowd. I do think the patch has definitely helped though.
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iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
October 17 2011 04:12 GMT
#101
On October 17 2011 05:40 Despote wrote:
People will say protoss is underpower, and I'll tell them that this is only because protoss are using only gateway units.


You my friend, are a smart man.

tbh i think that the meta-game will evolve. Zergs are playing really well because they had to go through hell to play against these races when they where alot alot stronger. i still think some things about terran are kinda rediculous.

Marine.



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woobsauce
Profile Joined August 2011
United States491 Posts
October 17 2011 04:30 GMT
#102
No, my opinions on balance are similar to MMA's: innovation is often a bigger problem, not balance.
thingULTRA
Profile Joined January 2011
United States48 Posts
October 17 2011 04:39 GMT
#103
gsl is still all terran..... sigh
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Harpolean
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 05:22:56
October 17 2011 04:54 GMT
#104
Firstly, No I don't think recent tournaments have changed any sort of balance in my mind, but as everyone else is ranting im happy to give it a go! (Warning: I play Random, The True IMBA Race!!!)
Personally, I don't think anyone apart from the Top level of players can really comment about balance, because commenting about balance in a Bronze league game is completely different from balance in a GSL Final for example,

In bronze its easy for a Zerg to say that terran is imbalanced because in a 1 on 1 non- microed fight 100 lings (2 per marine ofc!) will loose to 50 marines, and by non-microed I mean the simple A + MOVE. Whereas at a higher level of play 100 lings could quite easy destroy 50 marines with the right surround. My point is that different levels of play have different issues of balance and imbalance and that its hard to comment on balance as a non pro because well... you cant. (Without sounding harsh)

I could argue that terran is overpowered vs zerg because they have a large amount of 1 base variety and if my overlord doesnt get into his base i have no idea what going on without either preparing for everything (which puts me behind) or just loosing when it inevitably hits.

I could argue zerg is imbalanced as protoss because they can build nothing until they see what i go for and then spam the unit which they need, not to mention they can remax quicker than any other race at an endgame situation.

I could argue protoss is imbalanced vs terran because.... Oh wait i cant (Joke!)

But hopefully you see what I mean! Its both hard to comment on imbalance at a non- pro level of gaming and also hard to say if something really is "imbalanced" because the counter might simply not be found yet or your playing it wrong.

(However to note: I think ghosts need a minor nerf, no idea what lol but something)
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Xaga
Profile Joined June 2010
United States163 Posts
October 17 2011 04:56 GMT
#105
No - I thought the game was balanced before the recent tournaments. I still think it's balanced.
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
October 17 2011 04:58 GMT
#106
Nope, always felt that Protoss as a race is inherently stronger than Terran, just like in Brood War. To clarify: that doesn't mean "imbalanced". It means that in SC2, I think as long as the Protoss plays solid and deflects Terran harassment, they're in a very good position to win the game. Only exception is the 1-1-1, but like any all-in, you just have to know how to hold it.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 17 2011 04:58 GMT
#107
Came into tournaments thinking game was about as balanced as I would like it to be.

Emerged same way. If player skill doesn't trump major imbalances, we would see race hegemony or exclusion from Top8's and finals for a sustained period of time. There is not any, and I continue to like how well Blizzard has maintained their game up till this point (with recent patch changes being quite more in tune with same-core-game minor-tweaks-and-fixes).
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TuRbii
Profile Joined May 2011
United States38 Posts
October 17 2011 05:00 GMT
#108
I don't think the game is balanced, but if I say why I think I'll get banned.
But, recent outcomes have not changed how I feel about that.
doNe
pezit
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden302 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 05:07:50
October 17 2011 05:07 GMT
#109
Blizzard should just stop fiddling with numbers (like bunker build time), and start looking at the design of the game, like why the hell terran can even salvage that bunker in the first place.

And no, recent tournament results didn't change my view on things at all.
FusionMrWet
Profile Joined February 2011
United States121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 05:17:54
October 17 2011 05:13 GMT
#110
I feel the game is pretty balanced but some things could use a little tweak. In particular, i feel terran drops are a little too strong. With one medivac full they can snipe an imp[ortant building super quite because of stim and the high rate of fire of terran units. This can hurt the non-terran players to extreme degrees, and neither zerg nor protoss has any unit that can be dropped and kill a building for as cheap as terran can.
tredogz
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada170 Posts
October 17 2011 05:15 GMT
#111
Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg
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FusionMrWet
Profile Joined February 2011
United States121 Posts
October 17 2011 05:22 GMT
#112
On October 17 2011 14:15 tredogz wrote:
Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg

I kind of agree with you in a way. Let me explain.First off, i play toss. Terran is super strong vs protoss, which is why they need things like FF, blink, and colossi (often things zerg players complain about) to be able to keep up with terran. Because abilities cant be taken out from match-up to match-up, the things that are necessary in pvt, are really strong in pvz. Idk if anyone agrees with me, thats just my opinon
Harpolean
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom40 Posts
October 17 2011 05:24 GMT
#113
On October 17 2011 14:22 FusionMrWet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 14:15 tredogz wrote:
Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg

I kind of agree with you in a way. Let me explain.First off, i play toss. Terran is super strong vs protoss, which is why they need things like FF, blink, and colossi (often things zerg players complain about) to be able to keep up with terran. Because abilities cant be taken out from match-up to match-up, the things that are necessary in pvt, are really strong in pvz. Idk if anyone agrees with me, thats just my opinon


I think a protoss without forcefield would loose to a zerg who goes speedling/baneling 100% of the time lol. Or at least be contained into his base until colossus tech which sorta negates all gateway pushes.
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FusionMrWet
Profile Joined February 2011
United States121 Posts
October 17 2011 05:30 GMT
#114
On October 17 2011 14:24 Harpolean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 14:22 FusionMrWet wrote:
On October 17 2011 14:15 tredogz wrote:
Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg

I kind of agree with you in a way. Let me explain.First off, i play toss. Terran is super strong vs protoss, which is why they need things like FF, blink, and colossi (often things zerg players complain about) to be able to keep up with terran. Because abilities cant be taken out from match-up to match-up, the things that are necessary in pvt, are really strong in pvz. Idk if anyone agrees with me, thats just my opinon


I think a protoss without forcefield would loose to a zerg who goes speedling/baneling 100% of the time lol. Or at least be contained into his base until colossus tech which sorta negates all gateway pushes.

True, idk i always felt that toss is pretty damn good vs zerg, terran is good vs toss, and zerg is good vs terran, some would say thats balanced, but its not balanced if one race is only good vs one race(excluding mirrors obv). Complete balance would be like the american government, 3 branches, and all have the same power, none of them over rule the other, and starcraft 2 is not at that level-
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
October 17 2011 05:35 GMT
#115
On October 17 2011 06:28 Klive5ive wrote:
This is just a troll-poll.
It doesn't even mean anything!


agreed
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Harpolean
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 05:38:10
October 17 2011 05:36 GMT
#116
On October 17 2011 14:30 FusionMrWet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 14:24 Harpolean wrote:
On October 17 2011 14:22 FusionMrWet wrote:
On October 17 2011 14:15 tredogz wrote:
Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg

I kind of agree with you in a way. Let me explain.First off, i play toss. Terran is super strong vs protoss, which is why they need things like FF, blink, and colossi (often things zerg players complain about) to be able to keep up with terran. Because abilities cant be taken out from match-up to match-up, the things that are necessary in pvt, are really strong in pvz. Idk if anyone agrees with me, thats just my opinon


I think a protoss without forcefield would loose to a zerg who goes speedling/baneling 100% of the time lol. Or at least be contained into his base until colossus tech which sorta negates all gateway pushes.

True, idk i always felt that toss is pretty damn good vs zerg, terran is good vs toss, and zerg is good vs terran, some would say thats balanced, but its not balanced if one race is only good vs one race(excluding mirrors obv). Complete balance would be like the american government, 3 branches, and all have the same power, none of them over rule the other, and starcraft 2 is not at that level-


I would try and word it less like rock, paper scissors hahaha! Most of the time its just due to personal opinion which race is good against which, for example i have a lot of confidence in going into a zvp rather then a zvt but thats just me :-)
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DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
October 17 2011 06:07 GMT
#117
Some of the Zergs (Sheth, Machine?) been saying Protoss underpowered, and I agree with them (see how silly I am!)
Now, I have a better opinion of Protoss
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PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
October 17 2011 06:33 GMT
#118
Terran are not balanced at all. Mules need to be nerfed, as do Maraders and Ghosts. The problem of course is that if Maraders are nefered, it would have such a huge effect on other matches (mainly TvZ with roaches). I think there's a balance that can be found between a nerf and keeping them relevant.
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Unkown User Request
Profile Joined April 2011
United States26 Posts
October 17 2011 06:33 GMT
#119
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iRk
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden83 Posts
October 17 2011 06:36 GMT
#120
Its hasent changed my opinion, I still think the game is balanced
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S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
October 17 2011 06:37 GMT
#121
REALLY bad poll.

Doesn't really bring out anything in the comments except a players thoughts on what race is imbalanced for them.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
October 17 2011 06:39 GMT
#122
On October 17 2011 04:17 ae wrote:
Figuring out what people think that vote No will be very hard because..

-No and im not a whiner
-No and im still a whiner

I think its balanced and have thought so before


This. I think that's what the poll is trying to distinguish, and i too thought it was balanced before and still is. Total fluke for pvp and zvz finals in recent finals? Not likely.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
October 17 2011 06:40 GMT
#123
no, see gsl ro16 etc.

Seriously though was nice to see that result
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Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
October 17 2011 06:57 GMT
#124
Only that PvP is not always 4 gate on maps with ramps.
skrotcyk
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden432 Posts
October 17 2011 07:05 GMT
#125
On October 17 2011 15:33 PhoenixDark wrote:
Terran are not balanced at all. Mules need to be nerfed, as do Maraders and Ghosts. The problem of course is that if Maraders are nefered, it would have such a huge effect on other matches (mainly TvZ with roaches). I think there's a balance that can be found between a nerf and keeping them relevant.


You usually don't go marauders against roaches anyways, u just make more tanks..
xtruder
Profile Joined October 2011
Afghanistan135 Posts
October 17 2011 07:11 GMT
#126
On October 17 2011 04:17 ae wrote:
Figuring out what people think that vote No will be very hard because..

-No and im not a whiner
-No and im still a whiner

I think its balanced and have thought so before


-No and I've always been able to see the obvious imbalances
-No and I play Terran and have been taking wins I don't deserve since 2010.

I think I fixed your post.
Order
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Lithuania231 Posts
October 17 2011 07:13 GMT
#127
Give the archons maelstrom!!!!
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SlamBurglar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States10 Posts
October 17 2011 07:34 GMT
#128
You just have to let the game play out for more than a season to assess balance.

As for maps, they should get rid of gold bases altogether
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 07:41:29
October 17 2011 07:40 GMT
#129
I have always thought the game was pretty balanced lately. Protosses are struggling but yet I see most of them still all in which is why they are losing their all ins have kind of gotten figured out in the pvz aspect so protosses kind of have to change their game and then we'll really see if protoss is "UP" or not but I don't think they are not at all.

I don't watch enough pvt to make a judgement on it I just know protosses say ghosts are really really good (which they are).

zvt I think is fine except for possible late game ghosts but not even thinking about the ghost I think this match up is balanced easily this match up is just so epic right now :D.
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
October 17 2011 07:44 GMT
#130
On October 17 2011 16:11 xtruder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 04:17 ae wrote:
Figuring out what people think that vote No will be very hard because..

-No and im not a whiner
-No and im still a whiner

I think its balanced and have thought so before


-No and I've always been able to see the obvious imbalances
-No and I play Terran and have been taking wins I don't deserve since 2010.

I think I fixed your post.


Good thing it hasnt been 2010 for 9 months now and people are whining harder than ever (and only when terrans win).
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 17 2011 08:02 GMT
#131
On October 17 2011 16:44 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 16:11 xtruder wrote:
On October 17 2011 04:17 ae wrote:
Figuring out what people think that vote No will be very hard because..

-No and im not a whiner
-No and im still a whiner

I think its balanced and have thought so before


-No and I've always been able to see the obvious imbalances
-No and I play Terran and have been taking wins I don't deserve since 2010.

I think I fixed your post.


Good thing it hasnt been 2010 for 9 months now and people are whining harder than ever (and only when terrans win).


Nah whenever a protoss loses to .
When I think of something else, something will go here
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
October 17 2011 08:04 GMT
#132
On October 17 2011 16:11 xtruder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 04:17 ae wrote:
Figuring out what people think that vote No will be very hard because..

-No and im not a whiner
-No and im still a whiner

I think its balanced and have thought so before


-No and I've always been able to see the obvious imbalances
-No and I play Terran and have been taking wins I don't deserve since 2010.

I think I fixed your post.


I think post like these are the reasons these types of polls should never be created. Seriously... a poll about balance like this one is just troll bait/flame bait... don't know what was being thought when creating a poll like this.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
October 17 2011 08:19 GMT
#133
knew this was coming lol.

i think its fine but i also think it doesnt matter much anyways considering hots is around the corner
Teim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia373 Posts
October 17 2011 08:53 GMT
#134
I thought the game was fairly well balanced when Terran seemed to be dominating. The fact that Protoss and Zerg are starting to do well confirms that. So I voted "no".
A duck is a duck!
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
October 17 2011 08:54 GMT
#135
I think the GSL Code S is still my main indicator of balance so no
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ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
October 17 2011 09:03 GMT
#136
No, I still think 2 rax vs. zerg is imba.
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mrhh
Profile Joined April 2009
50 Posts
October 17 2011 09:10 GMT
#137
I think the game may be balanced even tho the current meta game may not be.
But i think it is defiantly getting better for protos, and zerg and terran seems equal.
MooLen
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany501 Posts
October 17 2011 09:13 GMT
#138
This survey is pretty weird because everyone want to say the game is more balanced now. I pressed yes because i think it shows that in a high competive level the game is balanced ( shown by the mishmash of T/Z/P in Orlando) and other ppl thought it´s balanced even b4 the GSL whines so they pressed no. I hope noone interpretate this wrong
Shadirrasda
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands21 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 09:50:49
October 17 2011 09:49 GMT
#139
The only way for this game to be truly balanced, is if everyone start's playing random (including in tournaments)!

I still think terran 1base is very strong (mainly becouse of the mule mechanic allowing terrans to cut more workers)
I also think ghost's are a little to cost efficient (any other unit that can do up to 3000 damage in less then a second? AND is invisible) And this is ignoring the fact they can nuke!
LSDlicious
Profile Joined August 2010
United States16 Posts
October 17 2011 10:00 GMT
#140
On October 17 2011 04:21 CeriseCherries wrote:
The game is pretty good at this point, at least for a Zerg I guess toss could be doing a little better in GSL, but they are doing fine out of korea


Still need some small tweaks the comment above is quoted because it reminds us of GSL and how MLG while having a TONNNNNNN of skilled players still did not have the fierce players that stayed in korea
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Ouga
Profile Joined March 2008
Finland645 Posts
October 17 2011 10:15 GMT
#141
Game is fairly balanced, terran is most powerful because of the early allins being unscoutable. Basically terran has huge win% in <10min games, while still holding around 50% or higher in long games. Bunkerrush just needs a nerf since it's apparently too hard to defend even if you know it's coming in zvt, and 1-1-1/2rax openings are fine in pvt if it was simply possible to know they were coming. It's really small tweaks that would make the racial balance quite balanced even for GSL.
rockerman101
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
October 17 2011 11:07 GMT
#142
terran is a bit op we may have had two protoss in the mlg finals but u base balance off the top level of play and that is the gsl code s which right now terrans are dominating
choopakabra
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
October 17 2011 11:19 GMT
#143
T>Z>P
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Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
October 17 2011 11:21 GMT
#144
At the highest level of play Terran is still by far ahead of Protoss. However, I think the worst imbalance right now is PvP, which is basically an advanced coin toss (to cite Huk in this MLG).

It is due to a couple of reasons, the main one being that Protoss offence is equal to its defense in the early to mid-game. Protoss should get one or two more defensive buildings to sort that out. Terran already has 4 defensive buildings, Bunker, Turret, Sentry Tower and PF. Zerg has 2.5, Spore Crawler, Spine Crawler and Creep tumour. Protoss has one, Photon cannon.

With a better defense, such as an aoe shield battery or alike, PvP would be more balanced, it would also make P less vulnerable to early terran aggression.
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Onox
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1072 Posts
October 17 2011 11:22 GMT
#145
I've thought for the most part balance is just fine. @_@ Things will work themselves out.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 17 2011 11:28 GMT
#146
no, i always knew protoss is op
mark my words.
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ZeroSix
Profile Joined March 2011
England54 Posts
October 17 2011 11:45 GMT
#147
i still think zerg needs some buffs on the hydra and corruptor. i also think helions should cost between 25-50 gas and i doubt that will change.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 17 2011 11:50 GMT
#148
I think there's mostly problems in which race is powerful when. Especially in the ZvT matchup, Terran has some powerful timings/early-mid game but if they don't do enough damage then the high tech units from zerg overpower them. It's not all that fun watching one player at a time have to be on the defensive...
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SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2225 Posts
October 17 2011 11:56 GMT
#149
Not at all. Terran's still op.
Cogito, ergo Toss
FearOFailure
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia9 Posts
October 17 2011 12:03 GMT
#150
No, the only reason people may have thought the game was imbalanced in the first place is because of Code S (being so Terran favored), but you could say that with almost all of the GSL's.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 17 2011 12:10 GMT
#151
Dunno if i had to but will in case :
+ Show Spoiler +

People seems to forget, Huk made 1er of a group with a bad ZvP player and 3 other protoss. Then had to play a recently come back terran, and another protoss. It's not like he had to play any match where balance could be an issue.

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ackbar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States94 Posts
October 17 2011 12:20 GMT
#152
Game is balanced. Nothing to see here. Move along.
cari-kira
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany655 Posts
October 17 2011 12:26 GMT
#153
funny question, the mlg-winner huk only played 1 PvT in the whole tournament, and that was against a mkp that played more like a clown, not like a code s player. 1 PvZ aganist a july in even worde shape, and the rest were all PvPs.
how should this affect my opinion about balance?
Live and let live
CurrrBell
Profile Joined March 2011
United States67 Posts
October 17 2011 12:27 GMT
#154
My opinions about balance weren't like most whiners' in the first place.
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
October 17 2011 12:48 GMT
#155
I did not consider it imbalanced in the first place, so no my opinion has not changed.
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Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 13:01:15
October 17 2011 12:59 GMT
#156
No, Terran is still to well designed. (EDIT: "better designed")

I actually am of the opinion that P/Z players will start to dominate Terrans for a while (starting now, or soon, or after next patch), purely on the account that everyone on the Top level is practicing almost exclusively mu vT.
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SeriouR
Profile Joined November 2010
Spain622 Posts
October 17 2011 13:20 GMT
#157
basically toss will keep on having a hard time playing a macro game agains both terran and zerg when they figure out the new ways of doing timing pushes.
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Maxinho
Profile Joined July 2010
Brazil11 Posts
October 17 2011 13:28 GMT
#158
I thought the game was fine, but after seeing Idra almost loosing to only marines.... Got me thinking that marine is Imba!
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
October 17 2011 13:38 GMT
#159
I felt that protoss was too strong going into the tournie (zerg player, so am biased), but seeing high level players all come out very evenly moved me somewhat more towards this being an almost balanced game from being a somewhat unbalanced game (not much though).
callthecops
Profile Joined September 2011
United States24 Posts
October 17 2011 13:40 GMT
#160
If anything, zerg is stronger than the other two races.. but for the most part the game is balanced.
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paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
October 17 2011 13:49 GMT
#161
T>Z>P has been for awhile now. Buff toss and all should be well, i play random
Reppin405
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9 Posts
October 17 2011 13:50 GMT
#162
atm terran can still make 1 unit and win the game but they wont nerf marines because then terran becomes to weakest race so i thing the game is balanced but marines still tilt me
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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
October 17 2011 13:58 GMT
#163
Korean Terrans = OP
But otherwise the game is very balanced right now
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jkos86
Profile Joined March 2011
50 Posts
October 17 2011 13:58 GMT
#164
I agree zerg is the strongest, just lacking in top players. Zerg is always ahead on bases and hence always gets the defenders advantage. The maps are big enough such that a top zerg should be able to hold off any rushes and can go into macro mode. Once zerg goes 3base+ they have a insanely huge advantage.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
October 17 2011 14:03 GMT
#165
On October 17 2011 22:58 jkos86 wrote:
I agree zerg is the strongest, just lacking in top players. Zerg is always ahead on bases and hence always gets the defenders advantage. The maps are big enough such that a top zerg should be able to hold off any rushes and can go into macro mode. Once zerg goes 3base+ they have a insanely huge advantage.


Zerg was always ahead on bases in BW too.. does that mean Zerg is imbalanced in BW?

"Once zerg goes 3base+ they have a insanely huge advantage."
what a silly statement lol
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IGotPlayguuu
Profile Joined June 2011
Italy660 Posts
October 17 2011 14:27 GMT
#166
at least now toss can't complain anymore...
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JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 14:32:20
October 17 2011 14:29 GMT
#167
I think they need to remake the game for Heart of the Swarm. A player should not be able to get away by only making 1 unit (Marine). Besides the fact that the marine is too strong I think the game is somewhat fine.

Zerg vs Terran / Protoss is the most exciting matchup due to the fact that the Z has to react and be as greedy as possible + Show Spoiler +
Idra vs Bomber series was amazing....



I also feel that the unites overall are too strong. Meaning that you are screwed if you choose the wrong tech tree vs the oponent. There are too much countering in the unit (mainly thinking about the + damage vs armored, + damage light).
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Roeder
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark735 Posts
October 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#168
Terran massing 2 units still bothers me. I voted no.
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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
October 17 2011 14:46 GMT
#169
On October 17 2011 23:41 Roeder wrote:
Terran massing 2 units still bothers me. I voted no.


you mean like zerg masses lings and banelings? sigh
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Xenclamz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States4 Posts
October 17 2011 14:53 GMT
#170
yeah anyone who argues marines are op. well can't i just argue zerglings are op? both are t1 units. zerg uses zerglings start to finish. and their core is always involving a t1 unit. cant i say the say for zealots too? if you dont use zealots as a protoss your stalkers get killed in a heartbeat. if you make tanks and thors without marines how can you expect to survive massling? If you make zero lings and just roaches you are lacking any form of surround. IMO, the game is balanced fine. It was zerg bitching about being UP, when you have pros like stephano, idra, and nestea playing zerg the way it should be played. HuK and MC play protoss the way it should be played. And korean terrans know the proper way to play terran. the game is fine on balance.
Xenclamz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States4 Posts
October 17 2011 14:55 GMT
#171
On October 17 2011 22:50 Reppin405 wrote:
atm terran can still make 1 unit and win the game but they wont nerf marines because then terran becomes to weakest race so i thing the game is balanced but marines still tilt me


before you whine about terran being overpowered, please at least use proper words such as Think* not thing.
Roeder
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark735 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 14:56:56
October 17 2011 14:55 GMT
#172
On October 17 2011 23:46 radiantshadow92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 23:41 Roeder wrote:
Terran massing 2 units still bothers me. I voted no.


you mean like zerg masses lings and banelings? sigh

You don't see anyone going lings+banelings only after +15 minutes.

All I'm saying is.. marines good, man.


On October 17 2011 23:55 Xenclamz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 22:50 Reppin405 wrote:
atm terran can still make 1 unit and win the game but they wont nerf marines because then terran becomes to weakest race so i thing the game is balanced but marines still tilt me


before you whine about terran being overpowered, please at least use proper words such as Think* not thing.

Before you post, please at least contribute with something.
Starcraft is a mix between chess, poker and a Michael Bay movie.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
October 17 2011 14:56 GMT
#173
As a zerg player, I think PvT has been a little questionable, but MC and Huk proved that it is more balanced than what we've seen in the past. So a little I guess.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
October 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#174
I believe that the game is pretty much balance right now. There are obviously things which look rather overpowered in the game, but I guess that they aren't really, as it is only a matter of opinion. Spellcasters need a small tweak I think, otherwise I am quite happy with the current state of the game. Nobody can argue that some race is stronger than the others just because of it's prominence in leagues such as the GSL. It is pretty obvious why most players in the GSL are Terrans, because many SC2 players' first choice of race is Terran. I do not exactly know why, but I think it has to do with the fact that the Terran race resembles our human race the most, and therefore many people are inclined to play as Terran.

Good job so far by Blizzard and let's hope that they'll leave the game alone for a while so that we may see how balance progresses.
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ZerG_OverlorD
Profile Joined May 2011
United States16 Posts
October 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#175
Zerg won IPL3 Toss won MLG Orlando... nobody is complaining about terran ^^

No opinion change I think game is balanced. Not completely balanced but balanced enough so everybody has equal opportunities throughout the races
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Xenclamz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States4 Posts
October 17 2011 15:12 GMT
#176
On October 17 2011 23:55 Roeder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 23:46 radiantshadow92 wrote:
On October 17 2011 23:41 Roeder wrote:
Terran massing 2 units still bothers me. I voted no.


you mean like zerg masses lings and banelings? sigh

You don't see anyone going lings+banelings only after +15 minutes.

All I'm saying is.. marines good, man.


Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 23:55 Xenclamz wrote:
On October 17 2011 22:50 Reppin405 wrote:
atm terran can still make 1 unit and win the game but they wont nerf marines because then terran becomes to weakest race so i thing the game is balanced but marines still tilt me


before you whine about terran being overpowered, please at least use proper words such as Think* not thing.

Before you post, please at least contribute with something.


i did if you look above my post there.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
October 17 2011 15:25 GMT
#177
On October 17 2011 13:39 thingULTRA wrote:
gsl is still all terran..... sigh



Well yeah, its so hard for different players to get shifted out of the gsl because of the format. It takes what, three months for a code s player to get knocked out of the entire gsl?
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Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 17:31:57
October 17 2011 15:29 GMT
#178
I'm not a fan of players "balancing" the game by inventing strategies rather than the developer fixing the game, so nothing has changed, we still need SC3.
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TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
October 17 2011 15:40 GMT
#179
On October 17 2011 22:58 kochanfe wrote:
Korean Terrans = OP
But otherwise the game is very balanced right now


Can you elaborate on that?
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GhostBusters
Profile Joined July 2010
United States198 Posts
October 17 2011 15:43 GMT
#180
I think you can be satisfied with the balance, though i do believe something about terran is still too strong =/
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lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
October 17 2011 15:44 GMT
#181
Nothing changed, all I have to say is : Marines.
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KoBlades
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria248 Posts
October 17 2011 15:45 GMT
#182
sc2 wasnt imba before mlg, it isnt now..
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DNA.MPK
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States50 Posts
October 17 2011 15:48 GMT
#183
Starcraft II seems pretty balanced right now. Protoss could use some touching up to boost them a little bit right now and I think it wouldn't hurt to take a look at the marines but overall starcraft is in a really good spot.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
October 17 2011 15:59 GMT
#184
Anyone else changed their mind after MLG?
+ Show Spoiler +
Idra beating bomber was bigger than any other win in all of IEM, ipl, and mlg. Actually a top top korean losing to a foreigner. IPL and iem showed foreigners can compete with mid tier koreans which was already known. Idra showed that foreigners can compete with top level koreans. I'd probably include huk > mkp as well but I didn't watch the games.
ZanXala
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden26 Posts
October 17 2011 16:02 GMT
#185
I think PvZ is imbalanced in favor of Protoss, Terran also seemed a bit strong with ghosts lategame vs zerg, but now I've seen so many zerg players figuring it out. People allways use the argument that "no protosses in the GSL does good", that's just not true, because it's almost allways a protoss in the code a finals lately, and the reason there's not that many in code s it's because... well look at which players are there - HongUn, SangHo -.- I guess HuK is kinda good but still he doesn't deserve to go longer than i does.
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suxN
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Finland1167 Posts
October 17 2011 16:02 GMT
#186
Terran is strong only with great micro, otherwise all aoe blasts them away. I absolutely love that terrans can make marines against everything. There is more to strategy games than deciding which units to do.
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XastoC
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada59 Posts
October 17 2011 16:04 GMT
#187
I guess protoss need a little help
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 17 2011 16:32 GMT
#188
I'm very hesitant to comment on balance, as I'm coming off of a 2-Day ban for balance whine, but:

I really think High Templars need something. As of now they have no defense mechanic like Infestors/Ghosts, on top of being the slowest of the 3.

Infestors: Always deal full effectiveness of Fungal Growth if landed properly (impossible to micro out of), average movespeed, burrow AND movement, energy upgrade as well as two up-gradable spells, AoE spell available without research.

Ghosts: Always deal full effectiveness of EMP if landed properly (impossible to micro out of), average movespeed, Cloak, able to attack, energy upgrade, AoE spell, as well as snipe available without research, nuke available upon creation

High Templar: Storms do not always deal full effectiveness if landed properly (possible to micro out of), slow movespeed, unable to defend themselves or hide, able to morph into Archon with even numbers, AoE spell requires research, no Energy upgrade, no effective third spell

I think that's a fair analysis of the three, if it comes off biased I apologize. I won't even begin to bring up the range issue.

I think if High Templars get a bit of an adjustment (perhaps a movespeed buff/storm available instantly/some sort of defensive mechanic) then I'll feel a bit better about the game.
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Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
October 17 2011 16:51 GMT
#189
No, i still think the infestors should be a bit weaker. I also think that terran is still too strong in the early game.
jmertelj
Profile Joined March 2011
Slovenia84 Posts
October 17 2011 16:59 GMT
#190
GSL: TvT
IPL: ZvZ
MLG: PvP
I GUESS, THAT' BALANCED :S
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Kcheddar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States21 Posts
October 17 2011 17:02 GMT
#191
I've always thought TvP was way too imba for terrans at the highest level but after watching MC and Huk kill off some of the best TvP players in the world I'm starting to rethink a bit.
Caddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 17:21:35
October 17 2011 17:20 GMT
#192
No, not really.

It was nice to see that a smart Toss can still mix it up, but on the whole, I still think it's a weaker race (not at the level I play at, but at the professional level).

What this tournament has shown, though, is that it's not impossible.

Velvet_Llama
Profile Joined September 2011
United States25 Posts
October 17 2011 17:25 GMT
#193
You want to know what is horribly unbalanced? Well I'll tell you. Day9's boyish charms- totally imba.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
October 17 2011 17:38 GMT
#194
There is no problem with balance right now that makes me claw my eyes out.

The problem is people's perceived imbalance, the 'Sad Zealot Fan Club' for instance there was no need for it, Protoss smashed GSTL and got into finals in IEM and MLG. There was no balance problem much the same as there wasn't for Zerg and Terran each got their share of wins and high finishes.
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simpler
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden49 Posts
October 17 2011 17:45 GMT
#195
Ambiguous question like someone said, but no I haven't changed my mind and I still think it's pretty balanced.
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
October 17 2011 18:01 GMT
#196
Protoss, always underdog
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 18:07:59
October 17 2011 18:04 GMT
#197
i answered no, and to see why just look at the brackets from the last MLG

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando#Championship_Bracket

+ Show Spoiler +
out of the strong terrans that showed up, puma eliminated polt, and then MC somehow eliminated puma

if idra lost to bomber, or polt beat puma, i'm convinced that either of them would have crushed through mc and huk easily, and the sad zealot club would be sadder than ever

because huk and mc managed to avoid playing code s terrans, it doesn't change my thoughts on balance at all

i guess they did both beat marineking, but he's really inconsistent lately
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 18:05:54
October 17 2011 18:05 GMT
#198
From my pov, Protoss has improved themselves severely in the few weeks since patch.

Be it as it may, they may still be a little weak, but its not too bad anymore. This game will be balanced when we stop seeing 20 Terrans in Code S. I can see maybe 10-15 Terrans in Code S at a time, but when over half of Code S is Terran, you know theres something wrong.

Just what I think, feel free to take it worth a grain of salt.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
October 17 2011 18:24 GMT
#199
SC2 is starting to look like a really balanced game to me. Finally in MLG Orlando we saw a final that wasn't entirely tvt; despite the presence of some very high level Korean terran players only one terran in the top 4. I think every single protoss unit was used at least once in the championship bracket as well which is very encouraging.

After both Orlando and IEM, I think there can be no doubt that tvz has been fixed.
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 17 2011 18:44 GMT
#200
No. I've always thought that protoss was fine, if not a bit strong actually. Protoss players are just way behind in the metagame (especially korean toss), and are now just beginning to try out new strategies.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 17 2011 18:47 GMT
#201
On October 18 2011 03:05 Cloud9157 wrote:
From my pov, Protoss has improved themselves severely in the few weeks since patch.

Be it as it may, they may still be a little weak, but its not too bad anymore. This game will be balanced when we stop seeing 20 Terrans in Code S. I can see maybe 10-15 Terrans in Code S at a time, but when over half of Code S is Terran, you know theres something wrong.

Just what I think, feel free to take it worth a grain of salt.


People really need to stop using GSL as a determinant of balance one way or the other. If you are going to, at least wait for an extended amount of time to do so. Just the nature of GSL and Code S means that players will be cycling in and out on a monthly basis. Be realistic, don't expect there to be a 33/33/33% distribution every month...
PiRate647
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium187 Posts
October 17 2011 18:58 GMT
#202
P flexed some muscle at MLG , so yea, a little. Goddamn Terrans :|
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snorlax
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States755 Posts
October 17 2011 19:25 GMT
#203
On October 17 2011 04:14 Talin wrote:
No, the game is fine.

quoted for truth
Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
October 17 2011 19:46 GMT
#204
On October 18 2011 03:47 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 03:05 Cloud9157 wrote:
From my pov, Protoss has improved themselves severely in the few weeks since patch.

Be it as it may, they may still be a little weak, but its not too bad anymore. This game will be balanced when we stop seeing 20 Terrans in Code S. I can see maybe 10-15 Terrans in Code S at a time, but when over half of Code S is Terran, you know theres something wrong.

Just what I think, feel free to take it worth a grain of salt.


People really need to stop using GSL as a determinant of balance one way or the other. If you are going to, at least wait for an extended amount of time to do so. Just the nature of GSL and Code S means that players will be cycling in and out on a monthly basis. Be realistic, don't expect there to be a 33/33/33% distribution every month...


in the current scheme of things there will always be more Terrans in Code S? why? Because a lot of the best koreans in sc2 atm play Terran. Its that simple.
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Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
October 17 2011 19:54 GMT
#205
Marines are still too strong and too frequently used across all match ups.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
October 17 2011 20:01 GMT
#206
On October 17 2011 11:20 Doof wrote:
I feel I should preface this by saying I play Protoss, and thus may be a little biased...

I think there is a fundamental problem with the game balance as it stands. The problem is, of course, Terran. As a race, they are not only the best at being defensive, they are also the most flexible when it comes to tech. Siege mode and PFs make bases impenetrable to a HUGE variety of ground-based attacks. Bunkers are really good, salvageable, and require only a barracks to construct (Toss must have forge for our static D). Furthermore, Terran tech, due to the add-on mechanic, is extremely flexible. It's quite easy for them to swap reactors and tech labs to get out the exact right composition that they need. Combine this with the fact that they have the best ability to be defensive, and Terran can have the perfect composition in nearly every fight they choose to engage in.

Zerg is, of course, even more flexible than Terran in this regard, but the simple fact remains that Zerg units are (by design) weaker than Terran units. That's just how The Swarm operates. Meanwhile Protoss is so inflexible in their tech that once their chosen tech is sufficiently countered, they're no threat until they can get up another form of an advantage.

No one is playing perfectly right now (Nestea and MVP are damn close, though), and until players get near perfect, the true balance of the game can't be seen. All we have to go on is theorycrafting, and theoretically, I dont' see any way either of the other races can beat a Terran in a game where neither player makes mistakes.

You're pointing out things that Terran can do, but how about this. Protoss has the ability to build units basically anywhere on the map, can use chronoboost to get ahead in upgrades, tech, army, or economy, has a plethora of really strong openings that--if scouted are easy to stop--if they go unscouted they're nearly impossible to hold off. Plus, out of all units in the game (especially since Hellions and Infestors recently got nerfed), High Templar have the ability to change a battle in ridiculous ways.

Before I continue, let's look at a post that Jinro made on PredY's post regarding TvP:
On October 02 2011 11:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 07:11 eourcs wrote:
TvP is a really odd matchup, where I think someone with perfect control and macro will be unbeatable, regardless of how well the Protoss plays (this is barring 1-1-1 which I do think is imbalanced), but like 99% of players I don't have that, so the matchup is hard as fuck. At the highest level, it's possible that it's imbalanced, but at every other level, the people who complain about Terran are idiots. Lategame TvP is extremely hard, and personally, I have never seen anybody beat Hasuobs when he gets Templar/Collosus and a solid 3-4 base economy, regardless of how far behind he is.

I feel the opposite - TvP is a matchup where if both players played perfectly, terran should never ever win. So dependant on getting good drops etc.

Of course its pretty damn close to impossible to play the level of perfect that you can consistently every game deny every single drop which might even make it terran favored in reality.

Anyway, I agree 100% with PredY's post, bio TvP makes me want to quit -_-

Personally I disagree with all the ultimatums getting thrown around ("Protoss will NEVER win," "Terran will NEVER win," ect.). But I think that Jinro has a pretty good point. TvP early game revolves around an uncountable number of all-ins from both sides that are constantly proven to be very strong (Protoss has them too, any Protoss who disagrees has clearly never watch MC or Alicia play). Late game TvP, on the other hand, involves high macro, and generally the Protoss sits back trying to tech while the Terran must constantly drop to get an edge before the final engagement.

And here's the real problem with the whole "perfect-player-vs-perfect-player" scenario. Terran relies on drops, and frankly, good drop play relies on you noticing your opponent's weaknesses and exploiting them. If the person you're playing is perfect, then they have the ability to deflect all those drops. Then, because of chronoboost, a Protoss should be able to out-upgrade their Terran opponent, and since he did no damage with drops the Protoss is able to completely roll them with their Gateway/Colossus/Templar ball.

So really, I don't think that the scenario in itself has flaws, but if both players play perfectly, the Protoss should win late game. But since you really want "perfect games," let's look at some of the best played games I've ever watched. First example: (T)ThorZaIN vs (P)MC on Tal'Darim Altar in TSL3. It was my favorite game to watch ever because both players executed everything they did so well, yet MC wound up winning the game. Or how about (Z)IdrA vs (T)Bomber Game 1 last MLG. I don't want to say that either player played perfectly, but IdrA played the best I've ever seen him and Bomber played incredibly. They both made mistakes, but the macro of each was completely off the chain. Easily one of the best games of the whole tournament, and guess what. The Zerg won.

That being said, I think the game is pretty balanced. I don't really think that there is a whole lot wrong with the game, but Protoss certainly isn't the weakest race. They just need more innovation.

On October 17 2011 11:35 sciberbia wrote:
I've thought terran is OP for a while now and still do, but I play zerg so yea...

Just wanna note a fact about the Boxer v. Idra series:
Boxer's record when doing a proxy 2-rax: 3-0 (metal counts)
Boxer's record when not proxying: 0-4

Boxer still has three pages worth of Brood War accolades in TLPD, is the first bonjwa, and is basically the father of E-Sports. Cheesing is part of the game, and BoxeR happens to be really good at it. And on Tal'Darim they weren't proxied raxs and on Metalopolis it wasn't the 2 rax that won him the game and it basically did nothing. IdrA just reacted poorly in that game.

Though if you really want to get into a balance debate about TvZ, how about this: a Korean Terran can't beat an American Zerg unless he cheeses, because Z is OP late game. Personally I think that sounds silly, but no more or less silly than what you wrote. Don't complain about balance then point to a series where a Zerg won and NEVER bash BoxeR.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
October 17 2011 20:15 GMT
#207
On October 18 2011 01:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I'm very hesitant to comment on balance, as I'm coming off of a 2-Day ban for balance whine, but:

I really think High Templars need something. As of now they have no defense mechanic like Infestors/Ghosts, on top of being the slowest of the 3.

Infestors: Always deal full effectiveness of Fungal Growth if landed properly (impossible to micro out of), average movespeed, burrow AND movement, energy upgrade as well as two up-gradable spells, AoE spell available without research.

Ghosts: Always deal full effectiveness of EMP if landed properly (impossible to micro out of), average movespeed, Cloak, able to attack, energy upgrade, AoE spell, as well as snipe available without research, nuke available upon creation

High Templar: Storms do not always deal full effectiveness if landed properly (possible to micro out of), slow movespeed, unable to defend themselves or hide, able to morph into Archon with even numbers, AoE spell requires research, no Energy upgrade, no effective third spell

I think that's a fair analysis of the three, if it comes off biased I apologize. I won't even begin to bring up the range issue.

I think if High Templars get a bit of an adjustment (perhaps a movespeed buff/storm available instantly/some sort of defensive mechanic) then I'll feel a bit better about the game.

You forgot to mention that High Templar's spell has the highest chance of killing units (fungal growth needs to be chained due to low damage and EMP will never kill a unit) and they can be built in 5 seconds anywhere on the map. Those are pretty important pieces of information. Plus I see Protoss players using Feedback to kill Ghosts and Infestors all the time. So really what you wrote wasn't "fair" at all seeing as you left out every good part about High Templar.

I don't know a lot about ZvP, so I'm going to make the rest of this comment about TvP exclusively. Let's look at two different scenarios:
  1. TvP, Similar Army sizes, Protoss has High Templar, Terran has no Ghosts: Assuming that the Protoss lands good storms, even if some of the damage is avoided, this fight is really up to the Protoss to lose. Sure if the Terran player really out-micros the Protoss, they may win, but chances are they'll lose.
  2. PvT, Similar Army sizes, Terran has Ghosts, Protoss has no High Templar: I think that this one is a bit more difficult to call. If the Zealots have Charge or the Protoss has better upgrades, they may still win this sort of fight (it's happened to me before, and I've seen other Terrans lose this sort of fight too). If both players micro evenly, the Terran should win this fight, but unless the Protoss is relying heavily upon Forcefield/Sentry energy, and they manage to micro better than the Terran, they should win this fight.

What I'm trying to say is that Ghosts are especially good at killing/negating High Templar, but they aren't nearly as good at killing Zealots and Stalkers as High Templar are at killing Marines or Marauders. Plus, if you micro your Templar well and put them in Warp Prism then you can basically negate EMP. Saying Templar are weak units or that they aren't powerful is ridiculous.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 17 2011 20:49 GMT
#208
I still have doubts on what solid Protoss openings look like. Even at MLG, there was never a time where Protoss felt safe. I'm not talking about the 'well if he proxy rax's or 6 pool I'm dead', I'm talking about 'i'm gonna die if he does a 2 rax fact push, or, I'm gonna die if he makes roaches and attacks.'

But mid-late game, I think Protoss is doing great. Terrible maps just have to be removed. Xelnaga Caverns - OUT! Dual Sight - lol wut ZvP! Tournaments are so reliant on GSL for maps and as a result are months behind on latest map balance. SC2 has got to the point where a map is no longer 'fine' if all races can play a macro game (not the Xelnaga and Dual Sight achieve this). Antiga Shipyard is incredibly imbalanced as Zerg has no easy 4th whilst Terran has easy 4 bases. Bomber's play vs Idra on that was soo beautiful and the game would have been even more one sided had Bomber scouted the hidden expos (wit or without baneling speed). The fact that some tournaments allow horizontal positions is completely unacceptable.
Oroch
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium143 Posts
October 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#209
Yes, I'm now sure that balance is a caracteristic of that game.
f0X
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany38 Posts
October 17 2011 21:41 GMT
#210
mlg orlando first major tourny in 3 months where a protoss was in the final. last one was eu battle net invitational where nani lost to ret... so it was about time a protoss comes through again. lets see how long it will take for the next protoss to reach the final. naniwa and huk dont have bad chances at mlg providence because the spawn so deep in the winnerbracket... im excited to see how the placements will be!
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highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
October 17 2011 22:14 GMT
#211
No, Protoss is still significantly weaker than Terran. 1/1/1 is defensible now, but EMP still needs a fix.

Terran > Zerg > Protoss

What needs to be done:

1) EMP range nerf from 10 to 9 (for PvT)

2) Restore Khaydarin Amulet with research cost 300/300 (for PvT)

3) Nerf Terran reactor's production speed to 90% of the original. Build time buff from 50 - > 40 (for TvZ)

jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 17 2011 22:15 GMT
#212
On October 18 2011 06:41 f0X wrote:
mlg orlando first major tourny in 3 months where a protoss was in the final. last one was eu battle net invitational where nani lost to ret... so it was about time a protoss comes through again. lets see how long it will take for the next protoss to reach the final. naniwa and huk dont have bad chances at mlg providence because the spawn so deep in the winnerbracket... im excited to see how the placements will be!

Umm Code A? Oz was just in the finals and Puzzle vs Tassadar was 2 seasons before that.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
October 17 2011 22:16 GMT
#213
I still think Protoss feels very "incomplete" possibly because they lack a unit which is better at defense than it is offence. The sentry may be a "defensive" unit, but it actually seems more useful offensively to me. Versus the queen (an extreme example) or the siege tank... actually I suppose the siege tank is comparable but it just seems like PvP still ends too quickly because each player is being offensive unlike most matchups where there is both an aggressor and a defender. Zerg also feels somewhat incomplete but not as much as protoss.

So in answer, no, I think Terran is slightly overpowered because of the plethora of possible strategies.
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-Risk-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada164 Posts
October 17 2011 22:16 GMT
#214
Nop, Zerg is still overpowered
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
October 17 2011 22:42 GMT
#215
nope nothing wrong with balance
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Kernen
Profile Joined July 2011
United States84 Posts
October 17 2011 22:57 GMT
#216
Game has always been balanced. Even when people really started taking advantage of blue flame helions zerg could still win. Its all in the metagame learn all the trends and common builds, and be ready for them and you won't loose.
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Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
October 17 2011 23:03 GMT
#217
Yes.

I used to think Protoss could be carefully outplayed by zerg/terran by just decision making. Now I'm not so sure. (MLG Orlando, particularly Sheth vs SaSe, HuK vs TheSTC, MC vs TheSTC and SaSe vs Bomber series).

It really seemed that the margin of error for T/Z players has become much smaller. That being said, disregarding timing attacks, Protoss really is becoming a turtle-till-max race.. Kind of?

For Code A : I will be much surprised if less than 3 toss make it through the up and downs. And MC is back in Code S! Things are looking much better than 2-3 months ago.
Vxu
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada41 Posts
October 17 2011 23:15 GMT
#218
Just EMP please, but everything else is pretty swell.
kyriores
Profile Joined February 2011
Greece178 Posts
October 17 2011 23:16 GMT
#219
No.

Terran still looks too weak late game and unless they outplay their opponent greatly or do some good timing pushes early (that tend to get countered more and more frequently as the patch gets older), victory is impossible. PvZ's are ok, although Protoss still has the deathball advantage late game. All the mirror matchups remain dependent on decision making and strategy used.
Very casual, Diamond Terran.
VAGZ
Profile Joined September 2010
574 Posts
October 17 2011 23:19 GMT
#220
No, the game is still far from balanced.
Da Dopeman
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4 Posts
October 17 2011 23:25 GMT
#221
Nope. Scans and marines.

Nuff said
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 17 2011 23:46 GMT
#222
PvT is somewhat imbalanced I THINK.
The rest of the match-ups are fine with these maps.

I had a good night of sleep.
souLess419
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada11 Posts
October 17 2011 23:52 GMT
#223
I still think terran are a little too powerful right now, specifically the marine, the ghost and the mule. They also seem to have the most all in strats available to them, and all of these cheesy builds seem to be very strong.

Oh, the lack of Protoss in Code S right now is disgusting. 1-1-1 much?

Other than that, game seems okay.
Belial154
Profile Joined December 2010
United States48 Posts
October 18 2011 00:06 GMT
#224
I think that the game is actually ridiculously balanced for the amount of variety provided. Blizzard deserves so much credit for their work on SC2 and the balancing. Just wish I were better....can you buff me Blizzard?
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RetoX
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong252 Posts
October 18 2011 00:14 GMT
#225
protoss needs to change their gamestyle, metaprotoss suxx atm, needs to be reviewed ^^
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HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
October 18 2011 00:58 GMT
#226
I don't know what to choose, I always thought the game was balanced since 1.04 and am glad to see more innovation in play. I think its decent how it is now
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 18 2011 01:16 GMT
#227
Nope, Protoss is still the most powerful.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
October 18 2011 01:26 GMT
#228
Bio vs Protoss is the only thing I find imbalanced in Terrans favor. But only at the highest level of play where people actually have the multitasking skill to abuse drops and make perfect EMPs.

Protoss players should be more positive. Your race may suck against Bio, but its really strong against Mech. So were even kk?
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Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
October 18 2011 01:53 GMT
#229
no other race can rip through bio as protoss lategame can

def in favor of protoss regarding the late game - but thank god this game is not all about 200/200

The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
October 18 2011 01:57 GMT
#230
On October 18 2011 07:14 highsis wrote:
No, Protoss is still significantly weaker than Terran. 1/1/1 is defensible now, but EMP still needs a fix.

Terran > Zerg > Protoss

What needs to be done:

1) EMP range nerf from 10 to 9 (for PvT)

2) Restore Khaydarin Amulet with research cost 300/300 (for PvT)

3) Nerf Terran reactor's production speed to 90% of the original. Build time buff from 50 - > 40 (for TvZ)


Khaydarin Amulet only makes sense as an upgrade if High Templar can no longer be warped in. They already have the most damaging spell and they build in 5 seconds anywhere on the map. They get enough energy about the same time that Ghosts or Infestors get enough energy with the upgrades, so really there's no need for it. People who complain about Khaydarin Amulet are just unwilling to admit that it is completely unfair. Won Protoss players a lot of games that they would have lost were they unable to storm anywhere on the map at 5 seconds notice.
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
October 18 2011 02:39 GMT
#231
I feel like zerg are catching if not surpassing terran. I'm still a little worried about protoss but we'll see how things turn out in the next couple months. I'm hoping some new protoss talent rises to code S.
=)=
Kazbot
Profile Joined September 2011
United States4 Posts
October 18 2011 02:41 GMT
#232
I'm rock, scissors is fine, nerf paper.
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rS.eZrA
Profile Joined April 2011
United States39 Posts
October 18 2011 02:45 GMT
#233
I think Protoss need buffs, Zerg needs more stable units, Terran needs marine nerf.
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Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
October 18 2011 03:00 GMT
#234
Hasn't changed my opinion - Protoss is still overpowered.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 18 2011 03:07 GMT
#235
No. Ghosts are still messed up, but beyond that the game is ok.
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gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
October 18 2011 03:52 GMT
#236
Thought it was balanced before, still think its pretty balanced.
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 03:53:50
October 18 2011 03:53 GMT
#237
On October 17 2011 04:17 ae wrote:
Figuring out what people think that vote No will be very hard because..

-No and im not a whiner
-No and im still a whiner

I think its balanced and have thought so before


Yea that's the problem with the poll. I guess maybe if you were thinking+ Show Spoiler [race of mlg winner] +
protoss
was tremendously under powered then maybe this poll would change your mind?
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
October 18 2011 04:01 GMT
#238
On October 18 2011 10:26 GinDo wrote:
Protoss players should be more positive. Your race may suck against Bio, but its really strong against Mech. So were even kk?


Then there needs to be more fucking Mech v P
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Camail
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1030 Posts
October 18 2011 04:11 GMT
#239
This question means nothing. A person who was convinced that balance is not an issue can not be differentiated from the one who now thinks protoss is imba again.
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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 18 2011 04:27 GMT
#240
Hahaha , pretty ambiguous question.

Voted no, but its not like it means anything I could be voting:

-No, P was always OP and is now OP.
-No game is fine
-No P is UP and will always be UP
etc...

Personally I think the game is reasonably balanced, and metagames shifts do happen. But people are always impatient as fuck and they want their race getting back into shape NOW.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 18 2011 04:40 GMT
#241
On October 17 2011 21:26 cari-kira wrote:
funny question, the mlg-winner huk only played 1 PvT in the whole tournament, and that was against a mkp that played more like a clown, not like a code s player. 1 PvZ aganist a july in even worde shape, and the rest were all PvPs.
how should this affect my opinion about balance?


In that the runner up MC played against Puma, MKP, Idra, STC and won?_?
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
October 18 2011 04:56 GMT
#242
The game may be generally balanced in terms of fairness.

But there are still glaring imbalances in terms of excitement.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
October 18 2011 04:58 GMT
#243
IMO I think this poll should be revised.

As is it says that a little more than 50% of the community hasn't changed their opinion but that doesn't mean if they think the game is balanced or imbalanced.
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rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
October 18 2011 05:06 GMT
#244
Seeing as I always thought the game was balanced my opinion hasnt changed at all.
jib117
Profile Joined June 2011
United States24 Posts
October 18 2011 05:44 GMT
#245
Horribly worded question. I said yes. Because i think the game wasn't balance and now is. But you could take that yes and easily make it into something else due to ambiguous question. You could take a yes as yes I think X race is now imbalanced. Or Yes X race needs a buff.


Please work on how you word polls bro.
Ultrafunk
Profile Joined March 2011
Guatemala1 Post
October 18 2011 13:49 GMT
#246
zealots are op
Eyx
Profile Joined December 2010
England165 Posts
October 18 2011 14:04 GMT
#247
No as none of the GSL quater-finalists (6 terrans-2 zerg) were involved in the tournaments that protoss claimed high positions. Protoss are still having a very hard time against the top players of the other two races.
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
November 13 2011 11:19 GMT
#248
Recently toss has been doing quite well in GSL. That will quell the myth that toss is underpowered in Korea. So I am hoping that those who wish to blame balance for their own shortcomings, finally focus on the actual game and not on blaming other things for winning/losing games. Its only at the very top of GMs that I feel ppl are qualified to talk about balance. If you are not at the top of GM, you shouldnt be talking about balance, because it doesnt affect you. Other things do. And all of you speaking of certain races and units being OP, I suggest u take a hard good look at your REPLAYS, hotkey setups, macro, micro and mouse accuracy. Is your scouting up to par? If you are stuck in a certain league or position or lose to certain things, have a practice partner look at them (YES u will need them, they are essential) or even consider coaching, which turbo boosts ur skill in the game. Or just search forums and ask ppl what works. Watch streams and yes DAy9. I am voicing the opnion of many of us silent ones who scoff at your complaints, and think oh dear, when will they learn. Plz dont whine! Plz learn
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