On December 22 2009 13:37 aegisabcde wrote: lol AzureEye is probably just bad at his race's easy matchup so he has to dig up all these useless stats to show that Terran is overpowered.
...yet I'm the person here claiming that PvT/TvP is balanced? So because I'm probably bad at PvT I defend this matchup instead of whining about it? Where is the logic in what you say? I said Terrans are overpowered TvZ-wise but I don't even play Zerg
So because these stats are facts, they are useless right? Because they hurt your ego as a T player. Take off that drone icon, you don't deserve it
On December 22 2009 13:37 aegisabcde wrote: lol AzureEye is probably just bad at his race's easy matchup so he has to dig up all these useless stats to show that Terran is overpowered.
...yet I'm the person here claiming that PvT/TvP is balanced? So because I'm probably bad at PvT I defend this matchup instead of whining about it? Where is the logic in what you say? I said Terrans are overpowered TvZ-wise but I don't even play Zerg
So because these stats are facts, they are useless right? Because they hurt your ego as a T player. Take off that drone icon, you don't deserve it
No, he's saying because you're bad at PvT, you somehow think the matchup is balanced.
On December 22 2009 15:59 stormtemplar wrote: PvT is very like TvZ. We protoss try to not die from an epic terran doom-push and get arbiters/carriers and deal major damage for the win. You terrans try to doom push us with huge epic armies of death, and we do random **** and throw units at said blob to make it die. I think the current meta-game has the standard push coming to late to hit before air tech. You hit us with a doom army before we are ready and protoss just fall over and die.
ok this is off topic so I dont know why its up, but pvt is not imbalanced. I mean at the moment its favouring protoss more so than terran, but its not extreme. The all time win rates are like a 1% difference from each other, and even now its only like what, 5-6% in the last few months? Same deal with iccup. Sorry fellow terrans, your just being whiny. The pvt imbalance exists, to a degree, but its not really all that significant, especially when compared to the current pvz imbalance or historical tvz imbalances. Pvt has always been the most balanced of the so-called favoured match ups. Get your sand out of your vagina and stop arguing about it in the wrong thread.
On December 23 2009 03:11 stormtemplar wrote: PvT is easy? Do you know why there is a push breaking article? Because hell knows all the crap we have to do to make your freaking tanks die.
On December 23 2009 04:07 yhnmk wrote: ok this is off topic so I dont know why its up, but pvt is not imbalanced. I mean at the moment its favouring protoss more so than terran, but its not extreme. The all time win rates are like a 1% difference from each other, and even now its only like what, 5-6% in the last few months? Same deal with iccup. Sorry fellow terrans, your just being whiny. The pvt imbalance exists, to a degree, but its not really all that significant, especially when compared to the current pvz imbalance or historical tvz imbalances. Pvt has always been the most balanced of the so-called favoured match ups. Get your sand out of your vagina and stop arguing about it in the wrong thread.
- Your vT strength has been gaining some attention ▲ I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT. It's not that I'm particularly better than others at PvT, it's just the game results.
I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT
I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT
- Your vT strength has been gaining some attention ▲ I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT. It's not that I'm particularly better than others at PvT, it's just the game results.
I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT
Thats the closest thing a progamer has ever gotten to calling PvT imba. Thats because Best is so damn good at PvT himself. Calm actually said TvZ is imba in the interview, along with Chojja + Yellow
On December 23 2009 08:00 Hinanawi wrote: BeSt just served this up in his winner interview:
- Your vT strength has been gaining some attention ▲ I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT. It's not that I'm particularly better than others at PvT, it's just the game results.
I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT
I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT
Thats the closest thing a progamer has ever gotten to calling PvT imba. Thats because Best is so damn good at PvT himself. Calm actually said TvZ is imba in the interview, along with Chojja + Yellow
It's just that beyond a certain point, you can't actually "do" much more in PvT. Beyond your basic micro/macro, you can stasis well, you can storm well, you can hit timings, but the onus is really on the T player more than the P player to "win".
For example, in your standard 3base 2/1 push, most of the actions are done by the T player (e.g. where to push (to new base or to kill P?), how fast to push, EMPs) whereas all the P really does is pick a moment to pushbreak and execute at that moment (stasis, 1a2a3a, storm, rinse and repeat).
Or if the T is going vult heavy harass style, again, it's the P who has to play reactive. Basically, past the reaver/dt stage of the game, the P is reactive in the matchup, just waiting to have the macro necessary to break that critical T push.