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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 22 2009 04:48 GMT
#381
On December 22 2009 13:40 Djabanete wrote:
Protoss are kicking Terran ass, Flash is kicking Zerg ass, and Zerg is kicking Protoss ass.

It's just starcraft as usual.

I like how you said ''Flash'' instead of ''Terran''.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 06:14:08
December 22 2009 06:10 GMT
#382
On December 22 2009 13:37 aegisabcde wrote:
lol AzureEye is probably just bad at his race's easy matchup so he has to dig up all these useless stats to show that Terran is overpowered.


...yet I'm the person here claiming that PvT/TvP is balanced? So because I'm probably bad at PvT I defend this matchup instead of whining about it? Where is the logic in what you say? I said Terrans are overpowered TvZ-wise but I don't even play Zerg

So because these stats are facts, they are useless right? Because they hurt your ego as a T player. Take off that drone icon, you don't deserve it
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Redshirt
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
434 Posts
December 22 2009 06:17 GMT
#383
On December 22 2009 15:10 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2009 13:37 aegisabcde wrote:
lol AzureEye is probably just bad at his race's easy matchup so he has to dig up all these useless stats to show that Terran is overpowered.


...yet I'm the person here claiming that PvT/TvP is balanced? So because I'm probably bad at PvT I defend this matchup instead of whining about it? Where is the logic in what you say? I said Terrans are overpowered TvZ-wise but I don't even play Zerg

So because these stats are facts, they are useless right? Because they hurt your ego as a T player. Take off that drone icon, you don't deserve it


No, he's saying because you're bad at PvT, you somehow think the matchup is balanced.
aegisabcde
Profile Joined November 2008
United States145 Posts
December 22 2009 06:29 GMT
#384
Yeah I'm saying you're so bad at PvT, it clouds your judgment as to how imbalanced it is lol.
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
December 22 2009 06:59 GMT
#385
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yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
December 22 2009 08:09 GMT
#386
On December 22 2009 15:59 stormtemplar wrote:
PvT is very like TvZ. We protoss try to not die from an epic terran doom-push and get arbiters/carriers and deal major damage for the win. You terrans try to doom push us with huge epic armies of death, and we do random **** and throw units at said blob to make it die. I think the current meta-game has the standard push coming to late to hit before air tech. You hit us with a doom army before we are ready and protoss just fall over and die.
Thats why I six fact every game :D
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
December 22 2009 08:46 GMT
#387
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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
December 22 2009 16:54 GMT
#388
no you're the one bad at TvP so you blame the matchup as not balanced
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
aegisabcde
Profile Joined November 2008
United States145 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 17:50:01
December 22 2009 17:28 GMT
#389
lol because the matchup is not balanced, I'm bad at TvP just like every single Terran in the world. Not the other way around.

I'd be good at it if it were as easy as PvT. And I'd actually admit that it's easy.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 17:41:49
December 22 2009 17:38 GMT
#390
So I came to the following conclusion reading last few pages:

1. Progamers are bad at TvP these days.

2. Just like they used to suck at ZvT.

RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
December 22 2009 18:11 GMT
#391
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yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 19:07:49
December 22 2009 19:07 GMT
#392
ok this is off topic so I dont know why its up, but pvt is not imbalanced. I mean at the moment its favouring protoss more so than terran, but its not extreme. The all time win rates are like a 1% difference from each other, and even now its only like what, 5-6% in the last few months? Same deal with iccup. Sorry fellow terrans, your just being whiny. The pvt imbalance exists, to a degree, but its not really all that significant, especially when compared to the current pvz imbalance or historical tvz imbalances. Pvt has always been the most balanced of the so-called favoured match ups. Get your sand out of your vagina and stop arguing about it in the wrong thread.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11058 Posts
December 22 2009 19:34 GMT
#393
On December 23 2009 03:11 stormtemplar wrote:
PvT is easy? Do you know why there is a push breaking article? Because hell knows all the crap we have to do to make your freaking tanks die.

Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
December 22 2009 20:40 GMT
#394
On December 23 2009 04:07 yhnmk wrote:
ok this is off topic so I dont know why its up, but pvt is not imbalanced. I mean at the moment its favouring protoss more so than terran, but its not extreme. The all time win rates are like a 1% difference from each other, and even now its only like what, 5-6% in the last few months? Same deal with iccup. Sorry fellow terrans, your just being whiny. The pvt imbalance exists, to a degree, but its not really all that significant, especially when compared to the current pvz imbalance or historical tvz imbalances. Pvt has always been the most balanced of the so-called favoured match ups. Get your sand out of your vagina and stop arguing about it in the wrong thread.


Huh?
May the BeSt man win.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 22 2009 23:00 GMT
#395
BeSt just served this up in his winner interview:


- Your vT strength has been gaining some attention
▲ I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT. It's not that I'm particularly better than others at PvT, it's just the game results.



I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT



I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT


Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
aegisabcde
Profile Joined November 2008
United States145 Posts
December 23 2009 01:27 GMT
#396


Terran players aren't that bad at PvT either.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
December 23 2009 05:27 GMT
#397
On December 23 2009 08:00 Hinanawi wrote:
BeSt just served this up in his winner interview:

Show nested quote +

- Your vT strength has been gaining some attention
▲ I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT. It's not that I'm particularly better than others at PvT, it's just the game results.


Show nested quote +

I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT


Show nested quote +

I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT




Thats the closest thing a progamer has ever gotten to calling PvT imba. Thats because Best is so damn good at PvT himself. Calm actually said TvZ is imba in the interview, along with Chojja + Yellow
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
December 23 2009 06:31 GMT
#398
On December 23 2009 14:27 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2009 08:00 Hinanawi wrote:
BeSt just served this up in his winner interview:


- Your vT strength has been gaining some attention
▲ I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT. It's not that I'm particularly better than others at PvT, it's just the game results.



I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT



I don't think there's any protoss player who thinks he's bad at PvT




Thats the closest thing a progamer has ever gotten to calling PvT imba. Thats because Best is so damn good at PvT himself. Calm actually said TvZ is imba in the interview, along with Chojja + Yellow


It's just that beyond a certain point, you can't actually "do" much more in PvT. Beyond your basic micro/macro, you can stasis well, you can storm well, you can hit timings, but the onus is really on the T player more than the P player to "win".

For example, in your standard 3base 2/1 push, most of the actions are done by the T player (e.g. where to push (to new base or to kill P?), how fast to push, EMPs) whereas all the P really does is pick a moment to pushbreak and execute at that moment (stasis, 1a2a3a, storm, rinse and repeat).

Or if the T is going vult heavy harass style, again, it's the P who has to play reactive. Basically, past the reaver/dt stage of the game, the P is reactive in the matchup, just waiting to have the macro necessary to break that critical T push.
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 23 2009 06:42 GMT
#399
Go Stork!

Just want to make that comment in between the imbas and Flash/Jaedong lovefests.
Meh
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 23 2009 07:07 GMT
#400
On December 23 2009 14:27 AzureEye wrote:
Calm actually said TvZ is imba in the interview


Funny he would say that right after winning an MSL with the following TvZ stats:

[image loading]


I feel for you Calm.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
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