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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 15:40:56
November 30 2009 16:36 GMT
#1
CBNC

Best - After an extended hiatus in which he stumbled around getting whacked by all and sundry, it appears that Best is back. With a single loss to Roro this month, Best has dispatched Forgg, Frozean, Darkelf but also sent Calm, and wait for it, Flash packing, a feat that raised eyebrows up and down the proscene. Yes, in a fantastic PvT on Fighting Spirit, Best busted out the macro we know him for and made many arbiters and killed many tanks. His win vs Calm, though not spectacular in itself, is also commendable, even given Calm's recent form. It's been a while since Doh Jae Wook's been anywhere near the PR, and although we're not sure where the SKT T1 Protoss is going next, for now he's here, and we're sure has put JWD in a good mood for the rest of the month.

Shine - Former Bonjwa-to-be, slayer of Bisu and curer of terminal disease, Shine dropped the ball this month with losses to Saint and Action, to name a few. He did win his OSL game against Effort, but this alone is not enough to break into the PR. To be fair, 4 - 4 is not a bad record. In fact, if his losses had been against better players he'd have most definitely stood a chance for #10. As it is though, his play has just been sub par this month, and Shine or not, he's lucky to even make CBNC.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 17:05:55
November 30 2009 16:48 GMT
#2
I thought Stork crashed and burned in MSL not in PL other then that great PR . I like how you point out that JD lost to Savior - which isn't that big of deal when you look at that every strong zerg is kind of a inconsistant in ZvZ at the moment .

Edit: All yeah just saw the MBC vs Khan thread and i got what you meen by crashing and burning in PL by stork .
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
November 30 2009 16:49 GMT
#3
Agree. Great PR.

Hopefully as we get deeper into the leagues we'll see ZerO farther up
"Jinro soo manly wearing only a T-Shirt while the Koreans freeze in their jackets" -- Double_O
"He's from Sweden, man. We have to fight polar bears on our way to school." -- Yusername
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
November 30 2009 16:51 GMT
#4
mb hwasin, for cbnc ? D: he's in both leagues!
I can`t say I agree with all the ranks but, what do I know
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
November 30 2009 16:53 GMT
#5
On December 01 2009 01:51 Jaeden wrote:
mb hwasin, for cbnc ? D: he's in both leagues!
I can`t say I agree with all the ranks but, what do I know


Well Kwanro did advance #1 in his group and hwasin second , but i agree that he and other players also deserve CBNC .
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
November 30 2009 16:54 GMT
#6
great pr.agree with it.but what about violet and really???they have been playing well.why aren't they in CBNC even???
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
November 30 2009 16:58 GMT
#7
Flash definitely belongs at number one. At this moment, he is untouchable~
this is my quote.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 30 2009 17:00 GMT
#8
On December 01 2009 01:54 BloodDrunK wrote:
great pr.agree with it.but what about violet and really???they have been playing well.why aren't they in CBNC even???

I dont know about really since he even though not killing noticeable players has tearing through things lately.
And just goaway and comeback when you have a CBNC with Violet in it. (Still undeafeted in proleague going 6-0) and won ace match vs Mind.
If you say that his games vs Shine and Light (which is the only thing that he lost against recently) it was both high caliber games with both sides and that happend last month.
In the woods, there lurks..
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 30 2009 17:05 GMT
#9
Flash No1 and JD No2 are 100% correct. The other spots are really hard IMO, so I can't really say I disagree with any of them at the first glance. Maybe the lack of Violet. He should've at least been on CBNC if not the PR.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
November 30 2009 17:08 GMT
#10
On December 01 2009 02:00 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 01:54 BloodDrunK wrote:
great pr.agree with it.but what about violet and really???they have been playing well.why aren't they in CBNC even???

I dont know about really since he even though not killing noticeable players has tearing through things lately.
And just goaway and comeback when you have a CBNC with Violet in it. (Still undeafeted in proleague going 6-0) and won ace match vs Mind.
If you say that his games vs Shine and Light (which is the only thing that he lost against recently) it was both high caliber games with both sides and that happend last month.


Well come to think of it Light also deserves CBNC also Hwasin , and maybe by.hero but it would make for a long CBNC list
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
November 30 2009 17:15 GMT
#11
Great PR! When in doubt, Flash-Jaedong-Bisu (in some order) is always a good top three.

I think Violet maybe ought to have earned a CBNC (but then, several other Proleague players also have).
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
November 30 2009 17:16 GMT
#12
Great PR, but i would put Best on the 10th spot instead of Kwanro.

Some choices look really weird at first glance but are reasonable and well explained, all in all a good job :D
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
November 30 2009 17:26 GMT
#13
Agrees with everything except Shine for CBNC because Shine proves he is nothing but a one trick pony and there are other players who are much better than Shine anyway.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 30 2009 17:37 GMT
#14
Free is not a top caliber opponent for Effort? Free has been playing very well.
Zero fighting.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 17:48:11
November 30 2009 17:42 GMT
#15
On December 01 2009 02:37 Jaksiel wrote:
Free is not a top caliber opponent for Effort? Free has been playing very well.


Well only Free , but the rest of them are crap . JangBi has yet to win a zerg in what is like a millenium .
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
November 30 2009 17:47 GMT
#16
On December 01 2009 02:26 LunarDestiny wrote:
Agrees with everything except Shine for CBNC because Shine proves he is nothing but a one trick pony and there are other players who are much better than Shine anyway.


Well he still has a mean ZvP and his ZvZ is quite good too, probably up there with the top zergs . I can't say if his ZvT is really bad he only lost to Hwasin and Hwasin played especially good in their first game and throwed him off his timmings in their second game with a cheese .
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 18:08:09
November 30 2009 18:06 GMT
#17
I don't really think Bisu has done anything worthy of advancing in the PR this month (though nothing to go down either), but then again I guess his rise has more to do with Clam failing and Stork choking in the MSL and against MBC, and he did play solidly. So it's all good.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
November 30 2009 18:31 GMT
#18
What about Killer the new bonjwa??

I'm just kidding.
WWJDD??
Captain Mayhem
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Sweden774 Posts
November 30 2009 18:42 GMT
#19
Yikes, Fantasy dropped hard.

Cool to see the 'three old' back in top 3!
(Yes, I'm new to SC)
Gravity is just a theory anyway.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 30 2009 19:01 GMT
#20
On December 01 2009 02:15 okum wrote:
Great PR! When in doubt, Flash-Jaedong-Bisu (in some order) is always a good top three.

Ya. If you're going by the ''Who would be the favourite in a Bo5?''-criteria (which I tend to do) they would pretty much be permanent holders of the Top 3 spots. Unless someone else does something great or one of them fucks up majorly they are kinda there by default in my eyes.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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