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Power Rank 12/01/2009 - Page 2

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metaldragon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States251 Posts
November 30 2009 19:08 GMT
#21
I disagree tih fantasy dropping so hard when he had a much better month than calm. better record even beating calm in a effectively a best of 3. should Sea be over him this month YES should calm be over him this month.....NO. Calm is simply ranked to high for going 2-5.

the only reason he is even on the PR is pure bias "Calm is a great player".

Everything else is fine though.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 30 2009 19:12 GMT
#22
Hmmm, one thing that strikes me as a bit weird when I think about it is how low Fanasy is. I hate him and all, but he raped Calm in OSL and then also beat him in their ace game, so seeing Calm above Fantasy is a tad confusing. The loss to Flash is completely ignorable, because that would happen to every other T in the world.
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pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
November 30 2009 19:12 GMT
#23
new fresh PR, one of the best things on TL!

i hate to see Bisu rise up by doing nothing but i see your reasoning and gotta agree :<
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x11tman
Profile Joined February 2009
Finland50 Posts
November 30 2009 19:13 GMT
#24
I agree 100% with the top 3.

My biggest disagreement is putting Calm above Sea and Fantasy. Calm could have even gone down to CBNC and let someone like Kal or Best or Shine have #10.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 19:19:49
November 30 2009 19:17 GMT
#25
Alright PR but I am irked by a few things
Bisu really didnt deserve to be at no3 or jump up to it, its true that he didnt get much chance to prove himself but Zero/Effort did and are playing well and are in both leagues right now + going by that same criteria you used for Bisu, Fantasy shouldnt have even dropped 3 spots randomly after a strong month( loss to Flash + loss while 2-1ing calm where it mattered while showing strong play as usual) infact he should be higher considering after going 1up vs Calm he looks in decent shape to qualify out of the group.

Calm should be 9-10 at best, his performance has been mediocre, a 2-6 record even against decent opposition is not worthy of being in PR on basis of previous performances alone, and even if it was based on such I believe he wont get much chances to prove it in the following months considering being down 0-1 in his OSL group and having 2 ZvZs(which is becoming quite a even mu these days) making his qualification a toss up and lowers his chances of qualifying by a lot. His play and decision making in his games vs Fantasy/Best were abysmal and he failed to show a strong late game with complete control(other than him rolling mediocre tosses like Backho/Rock around).

Best should have been on the PR, strong 2-0 opening in the MSL + strong PL performance + showing that he is picking his PvZ back up from being the worst in the business, a complimentary 10th spot would do I would suppose, and unlike Kwanro who showed really terrible ZvT vs Ruby and gimmicky greed vs Flash, best has looked solid in the 2 mus he got to play this month. Violet shouldve gotten CNBC too I suppose, if Sea acquired a rank based on PL performance only which Violet is 6-0 at PL with really strong play(especially in the late game even in all of his games) even in his recent losses he looked really strong.

Overall due to scanty results this month it was kind of difficult to place the 3-10 positions and this is an adequate PR I suppose.

P.S: I really didnt like the usage of circular reasoning within the PR (between JD and Bisu) itself and I hope you try to refrain from using that in the next PRs considering the sketchiness of Bisu's position in the first place
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
November 30 2009 19:22 GMT
#26
I'm actually a Fantasy anti-fan (it gives me warm tinglies when he loses), but I think he should be a bit higher here...I would have switched Calm and Fantasy's positions if it were me.

The rest of it looks alright. I would have put BeSt at #10 and not Kwanro, but that might be bias seeing as how Kwanro got rolled so easily by Flash.

Stork...I'm so sad for him. When I woke up and saw Stork at #5, I knew his PL game must have gone badly, but I didn't expect him to go 0-2 in one PL set.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
dnosrc
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany454 Posts
November 30 2009 19:22 GMT
#27
dont understand why fantasy dropped so hard

he improved his bio play, had one loss to flash and his 2nd loss was to calm where he redeemed himself in the ace match
Fx_
Profile Joined April 2008
503 Posts
November 30 2009 19:28 GMT
#28
disagreed only with Calm spot...
Great PR anyway
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dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 19:35:30
November 30 2009 19:35 GMT
#29
I think sea should be 8-... meaning ranked 7 or better
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 20:12:50
November 30 2009 20:06 GMT
#30
Riptide did you watch the same month of starcraft I did?

A 5-3 (Z)Kwanro who's best win came against Movie gets the #10 spot over (T)Really who went 6-1 and beat Sea and Ruby (the latter having defeated Kwanro)?

And (T)fantasy dropping all the way to #9 for going 4-2 with one loss against FvT, and with a dominant win over (Z)Calm? Meanwhile Calm who's looking absolutely terrible falls only to 7th? Watching their series can you honestly say that Calm is playing better, or better in general than Fantasy?

Even more confusing, you cite poor strength of schedule as reasons why (Z)EffOrt, (dude, Light is a way better player than you give him credit for) (Z)ZerO, and Fantasy are all lower than expected. Yet you promoted (P)Bisu to #3 despite him playing only four games in the month, with only one win against a strong player- by.hero. Perhaps Bisu didn't play enough games to justify putting him lower, but you put him higher...

I'm so confused with the rational of half of the rank here.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
November 30 2009 20:10 GMT
#31
Well, I could see Kwanro over Really because he's in both individual leagues compared to Really's...none.

I don't see Fantasy below Calm, Calm played bad bad bad.

And your third point, I think he just chalks that up to the fact that Bisu could play better, he just didn't get the chance this month-he hasn't played in individuals yet. I agree with your third point, I'm just saying riptide isn't irrational with his choices.
Jaedong
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
November 30 2009 20:22 GMT
#32
Bisu is way too high. I'd put him under Stork. The only reason I'd have him there is if he was in that position on the last rank, but instead he gets moved up???
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
November 30 2009 20:26 GMT
#33
i agree with the top 6, but fantasy and best are rated too low imho, aswell as violet. but maybe thats my skt1 and protoss bias

all in all, a good PR. gj!
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iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
November 30 2009 20:54 GMT
#34
fantasy should be higher; calm should be lower. Best on top ten and scratch Kwrano, and the rest are agreeable.
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
November 30 2009 20:56 GMT
#35
JvZ was so last season. This season is all about the FvZ baby.

and hey, best back into power rank soon!!
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
Abyzou
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden209 Posts
November 30 2009 20:59 GMT
#36
Best > Kwanro imo
Savior and Jaedong, how come zerg progamers are so awesome?
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 21:03:59
November 30 2009 21:03 GMT
#37
Whoa, WHOA, surely I'm not the only one shocked by Fantasy's placement? He

a) destroyed Hoejja, wasn't even close [W]
b) lost to Flash in TvT, but who doesn't [L]
c) beat Baby (didn't see that game) [W]
d) embarrassed Calm in the OSL [W]
e) lost a game to Calm in PL but didn't play badly at all [L]
f) walked all over Calm again in a lategame TvZ with sick micro and good multitask [W]

Basically, all month I haven't seen him play a bad game; he's 2-2 against other PR players; 2-0 against non-PR players; his bio vs Z has never looked better; and you say he's slipping? I just don't understand where you're coming from.

(edit: yeah I'm not the only one, and I got ninja'd hard)
May the BeSt man win.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 30 2009 21:24 GMT
#38
looks good, but sea fantasy calm 7 8 9 imo :/
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
November 30 2009 21:58 GMT
#39
Hwasin kinda deserves CNBC
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7231 Posts
November 30 2009 22:09 GMT
#40
Calm below Fantasy for sure, the rest looks pretty solid.
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