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On January 02 2010 00:20 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2010 23:54 SuperArc wrote:On January 01 2010 23:22 FireGuyX wrote:I think my rankings are pretty accurate. There's no logical reason to put Violet/Sea above Effort. Effort this month was kicked out of both leagues losing to Calm, Firefist, and Ruby. Despite doing well in the PL, he also lost to Canata, Jangbi and Shine. Sea has been doing well beating Jaedong, Hero, Yellow[ArnC]. Violet has big wins this month against Sea, Leta, and BeSt.
I never understood this obsession with punishing people for dropping out of leagues, while praising people who failed to even qualify for them and have NOTHING but PL to practice for all month long, while others like Effort is stuck with a hellish schedule and still performing as good if not better in PL, while also having to do the Ace duty for his team. So if Effort, had failed in both offliners and never qualified for the SLs he would have been a sure thing for a 6-10spot just from his PL performance?
Also its lol how you bring out all of Efforts losses and none of his big wins, while you for the others only bring their wins and none of their losses. Also you use wins vs Best and Leta as big wins despite both performing horribly bad vsP lately....
Edit: Also congrats on using wins vs Yarnc (who is playing awfully and is 4-12 ins his last 16 games) and Hero (who is 2-9 in his last 11 ZvTs) as strong wins.
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On January 02 2010 10:01 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2010 00:20 FireGuyX wrote:On January 01 2010 23:54 SuperArc wrote:On January 01 2010 23:22 FireGuyX wrote:I think my rankings are pretty accurate. There's no logical reason to put Violet/Sea above Effort. Effort this month was kicked out of both leagues losing to Calm, Firefist, and Ruby. Despite doing well in the PL, he also lost to Canata, Jangbi and Shine. Sea has been doing well beating Jaedong, Hero, Yellow[ArnC]. Violet has big wins this month against Sea, Leta, and BeSt. I never understood this obsession with punishing people for dropping out of leagues, while praising people who failed to even qualify for them and have NOTHING but PL to practice for all month long
I agree with this 100x and don't really understand it either.
As far as I'm concerned if you fail to even QUALIFY for EITHER league you better be pretty much undefeated, crushing all opposition, and handling ace duty in PL to even be considered for the PR.
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On  January 02 2010 10:01 Oystein wrote:I never understood this obsession with punishing people for dropping out of leagues, while praising people who failed to even qualify for them and have NOTHING but PL to practice for all month long, while others like EffOrt is stuck with a hellish schedule and still performing as good if not better in PL, while also having to do the ace duty for his team. So if Effort, had failed in both offliners and never qualified for the SLs he would have been a sure thing for a 6-10spot just from his PL performance? Also its lol how you bring out all of Efforts losses and none of his big wins, while you for the others only bring their wins and none of their losses. Also you use wins vs Best and Leta as big wins despite both performing horribly bad vsP lately.... Edit: Also congrats on using wins vs Yarnc (who is playing awfully and is 4-12 in his last 16 games) and hero (who is 2-9 in his last 11 ZvTs) as strong wins.
I don't know that your suppose to be congratulating me on if I make my points or not, I know your criticizing me, but your taking this WAY too seriously. I just thought Violets and Seas wins are better than Efforts.
You make good points none the less, I decided to put Sea at CNBC, Effort at #9, and Violet at #10.
1. Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Calm
4.Shine
5. Kal
6.Movie
7.Stork
8.Kwanro
9.EffOrt
10.Violet
CNBC Sea, BeSt, Light
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On January 02 2010 11:38 Kenpachi wrote:
1. Flash
2.Calm
3.Jaedong
4.Stork
5.Kal
6.Kwanro
7.Bisu
8.Shine
9.Movie
10.Effort
I'm not even going to take the bait 
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On January 02 2010 12:01 Orbifold wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2010 11:38 Kenpachi wrote:
1. Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Calm
4.Stork
5.Kal
6.Kwanro
7.Bisu
8.Shine
9.Movie
10.Effort
I'm not even going to take the bait
I will, looks like you had a typo there friend; it's okay though I fixed it.
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On January 02 2010 13:01 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2010 12:01 Orbifold wrote:On January 02 2010 11:38 Kenpachi wrote:
1. Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Calm
4.Stork
5.Kal
6.Kwanro
7.Bisu
8.Shine
9.Movie
10.Effort
I'm not even going to take the bait I will, looks like you had a typo there friend; it's okay though I fixed it.
dude you quoted the wrong post.
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On January 02 2010 13:26 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2010 13:01 n.DieJokes wrote:On January 02 2010 12:01 Orbifold wrote:On January 02 2010 11:38 Kenpachi wrote:
1. Flash
2.Jaedong
3.Calm
4.Stork
5.Kal
6.Kwanro
7.Bisu
8.Shine
9.Movie
10.Effort
I'm not even going to take the bait I will, looks like you had a typo there friend; it's okay though I fixed it. dude you quoted the wrong post.
lol, look closer
Edit- Okay, I can understand your confusion; I get lazy and it was easier to grab both quotes than try and split them
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On January 02 2010 11:38 Kenpachi wrote:1. Flash 2.Calm 3.Jaedong 4.Kal 5.Stork 6.Kwanro 7.Bisu 8.Shine 9.Movie 10.Effort + Show Spoiler [reason] +Flash needs no explanation
Calm was a killer this month going 11-6. took a game out of flash and lost 3 times but gave a good fight.
Jaedong was kicked out of the OSL but is cruising through the MSL and proleague.
Kal is 10-3. very impressive and easily kicked out Saint from the MSL and is 1-0 vs Hwasin
Stork is 10-4 taking a game off of Flash but was destroyed by Shine.
Kwanro just kwanrolled Bogus 2-1 and is 1-0 vs Light in the Ro8 of the MSL
Bisu died so much this month, getting manner cced by CuteAngel and getting kicked out of the MSL by BOGUS AND GUEMCHI.... but he still maintained a good record with 7-4
Shine is on a roll this month taking wins from Fantasy and effort and knocking Stork from the OSL causing a huge upset.
Movie is 7-4 this month but is in the OSL and is going to face Shine, which is going to be a very close series
Effort is 8-6.. getting kicked out of the MSL.. ruby took a game. okay thats fine his best match up is TvZ but wait... FIREFIST!? WTF?
Calm above Jaedong?.. seriously? You say Calm was a killer going 11-6 (actually it's 11-5) but JD went 13-3 (14-3 if you want to include today's match but that doesn't matter cause it's January). You also mentioned JD got kicked out of OSL. What about Calm? He's out in BOTH leagues. Not that I'm dissing Calm, I like him, but I don't see how he's above JD atm.
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On January 02 2010 15:44 Dice wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2010 11:38 Kenpachi wrote:1. Flash 2.Calm 3.Jaedong 4.Kal 5.Stork 6.Kwanro 7.Bisu 8.Shine 9.Movie 10.Effort + Show Spoiler [reason] +Flash needs no explanation
Calm was a killer this month going 11-6. took a game out of flash and lost 3 times but gave a good fight.
Jaedong was kicked out of the OSL but is cruising through the MSL and proleague.
Kal is 10-3. very impressive and easily kicked out Saint from the MSL and is 1-0 vs Hwasin
Stork is 10-4 taking a game off of Flash but was destroyed by Shine.
Kwanro just kwanrolled Bogus 2-1 and is 1-0 vs Light in the Ro8 of the MSL
Bisu died so much this month, getting manner cced by CuteAngel and getting kicked out of the MSL by BOGUS AND GUEMCHI.... but he still maintained a good record with 7-4
Shine is on a roll this month taking wins from Fantasy and effort and knocking Stork from the OSL causing a huge upset.
Movie is 7-4 this month but is in the OSL and is going to face Shine, which is going to be a very close series
Effort is 8-6.. getting kicked out of the MSL.. ruby took a game. okay thats fine his best match up is TvZ but wait... FIREFIST!? WTF? Calm above Jaedong?.. seriously? You say Calm was a killer going 11-6 (actually it's 11-5) but JD went 13-3 (14-3 if you want to include today's match but that doesn't matter cause it's January). You also mentioned JD got kicked out of OSL. What about Calm? He's out in BOTH leagues. Not that I'm dissing Calm, I like him, but I don't see how he's above JD atm.
lol wtf how did i miss that
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Flash 1, Jaedong 2, Calm 3 is indisputable.
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My December Power Rank =D
1. Flash
2. Jaedong
3. Calm
4. Shine
5. Stork
6. Kal
7. Bisu
8. Movie
9. Kwanro
10. EffOrt
1. Obvious.
2. Yeah, Jaedong fell apart against Flash. However, he sits at number 2 for simply rolling over everyone else this month; his only losses have been against Flash and Sea.
3. Calm, one of my favorite players, has picked up the slack from his abysmal performance last month. Like Jaedong, he crumbled under Flash, but I feel his gameplay may have been underrated a bit in the series because of Flash's unreal play. His mutalisks had to face Flash's marine control and his guardians were unsupported because of Flash's scourge interception.
4. Shine has faced incredibly stiff competition in the OSL and is miraculously still alive. His late-game management is questionable, but he executes his aggressive style in a way where he hasn't had to rely on it. (To be honest, 4 seems a bit high and I expect him to fall next month.)
5. Stork has looked solid this past month. A few minor mistakes ousted him out of the OSL, but his games has shown he's a top 5 PR player.
6. Like Stork, Kal has Just been playing solid Starcraft.
7. I don't doubt Bisu's skill, but unfortunately his results didn't match them this month with unexpected losses in the MSL and PL. Still a strong player, though.
8. Movie plays inconsistently. But he is generally a strong progamer and has a reasonable chance in reaching the OSL finals.
9. Kwanro's is in great position in the MSL and has done decently in the PL. A low position on the PR should make the pikachu zerg happy.
10. I had some trouble deciding whether ZerO or EffOrt should take this spot. I'm still not sure, really.
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My thoughts on the next PR
Flash in number 1: Duh
Calm ahead of Jaedong: Calm may not be alive in leagues any more, but you have to keep in mind that the OSL is further along than the OSL. Calm made the quarter finals of a Star League which JD was knocked out of, and Calm was likely focusing mainly on the OSL making his performance in the MSL less important an indicator. Also... compare the Calm vs Flash and the JD vs Flash series, Flash is this month's yardstick in my opinion.
Shine > Stork: Shine is still alive in the OSL, he beat Stork and a lot of other big names to get there.
Bisu 9 or 10 at best: Just take a look at the TLPD.
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On January 02 2010 19:06 Orbifold wrote:
My thoughts on the next PR
Flash in number 1: Duh
Calm ahead of Jaedong: Calm may not be alive in leagues any more, but you have to keep in mind that the OSL is further along than the OSL. Calm made the quarter finals of a Star League which JD was knocked out of, and Calm was likely focusing mainly on the OSL making his performance in the MSL less important an indicator. Also... compare the Calm vs Flash and the JD vs Flash series, Flash is this month's yardstick in my opinion.
Shine > Stork: Shine is still alive in the OSL, he beat Stork and a lot of other big names to get there.
Bisu 9 or 10 at best: Just take a look at the TLPD.
You must have missed the most recent recent Calm vs Fantasy game.
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If I made it...
1. Flash
2. Jaedong
3. Calm
4. Stork
5. Shine
6. Movie
I want to squeeze about 6 players into the four slots remaining in #7-10...Really, EffOrt, Bisu, Kwanro, Kal, Sea...but no idea which four or in which order.
Fortunately, I'm not the one who has to make the PR, so I don't have to make hard decisions, I just get to complain about them!
I do think Effort and Kal need to be in there at least...especially Effort, he has so much promise and his record has been so consistently good.
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It would be nice to get a PR that isn't gonna be really late. ):
edit ^^^^ Kal and Kwanro, obviously, since they're both in the MSL, up one game, and are doing pretty well in PL, whereas Sea/Really/Effort/Bisu aren't.
The only thing that separates Sea, Bisu, Really and Effort from each other, since none are in leagues, are quality of play in PL along with overall record in it.
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On January 02 2010 17:08 Umbrella wrote:My December Power Rank =D 1. Flash2. Jaedong3. Calm4. Shine5. Stork6. Kal7. Bisu8. Movie9. Kwanro10. EffOrt1. Obvious. 2. Yeah, Jaedong fell apart against Flash. However, he sits at number 2 for simply rolling over everyone else this month; his only losses have been against Flash and Sea. 3. Calm, one of my favorite players, has picked up the slack from his abysmal performance last month. Like Jaedong, he crumbled under Flash, but I feel his gameplay may have been underrated a bit in the series because of Flash's unreal play. His mutalisks had to face Flash's marine control and his guardians were unsupported because of Flash's scourge interception. 4. Shine has faced incredibly stiff competition in the OSL and is miraculously still alive. His late-game management is questionable, but he executes his aggressive style in a way where he hasn't had to rely on it. (To be honest, 4 seems a bit high and I expect him to fall next month.) 5. Stork has looked solid this past month. A few minor mistakes ousted him out of the OSL, but his games has shown he's a top 5 PR player. 6. Like Stork, Kal has Just been playing solid Starcraft. 7. I don't doubt Bisu's skill, but unfortunately his results didn't match them this month with unexpected losses in the MSL and PL. Still a strong player, though. 8. Movie plays inconsistently. But he is generally a strong progamer and has a reasonable chance in reaching the OSL finals. 9. Kwanro's is in great position in the MSL and has done decently in the PL. A low position on the PR should make the pikachu zerg happy. 10. I had some trouble deciding whether ZerO or EffOrt should take this spot. I'm still not sure, really. Zero has been in a slump i see no reason as to why he should be on this list.
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Zero wins 10 games then losses 10 games again, after that he decides to win 10 again qualify for all leauges does well in proleauge and then lose 10 again and drop from leauges and plays horrible in PL.
Wouldnt call it a slump more like his standard play patern.
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On December 20 2009 04:20 ghostWriter wrote:
57.58% is pretty darn good when you consider that TvP is nigh impossible to play. Arbiters are the most imbalanced units ever. There was a recent game where the terran had a huge army (I think it was darkelf vs best) and at the end, darkelf's huge, fully upgraded, well positioned army was nullified by 5 arbiters that stasised the entire thing. Recall is also ridiculously overpowered. How can you play a game when your army has like no mobility and you have to worry about half the protoss army killing your supply depots and factory while you are only halfway to their expansion?
Even if you put up turrets and mines, you can't cover your entire base.
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Terrans.
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