Power Rank 12/01/2009 - Page 18

On December 20 2009 04:38 SuperArc wrote:


you seriously underestimate Kal, Best and Jangbi then.

On December 20 2009 19:21 Geo.Rion wrote:


Jangbi? Are you talking about that guy who has liek 40% winrate for the past 4 months or so?
Best? Ah, maybe, he's definetly good at taking single games from Flash, and his style is good against him, but in bo5 he'd loose imo
Kal? Dont make me laugh.

I'm not a Flash fan by any means, actually ppl called me hater and anti-fan befor, and truth to be told i dont like Flash at all.
But he's crazy good.

On December 20 2009 19:57 samachking wrote:


You missed some important stats here
In 2009
Jangbi vT 21 wins - 11 losses (65.63%) Record vs flash in 09 1-0
Best vT 15 wins - 9 losses (62.50%) Record vs Flash in 09 2-0
Kal vT 16 wins - 10 losses (61.54%) Record vs Flash in 09 1-1

Flash vP 19 wins - 14 losses (57.58%) Record vs dragons in 09 4-12( yes a whooping 33%)

It wont be an easy road for Flash at all unless JD manages to eliminate the dragons early on for him. Who cares if Flash is godlike vs chobo tosses, he hasnt been pulling his weight vs Dragons at all.

On December 20 2009 20:19 Geo.Rion wrote:


you just take stats. Flash is in godmode, Jangbi is slumping. Right now Jangbi could be 100000-0 stat wise against Flash, he'd still be the underdog if they meet.
We are at the end of 2009 and you take the whole year. ~10 months ago Jangbi looked good, there were maps which arent now, Flash looked like he burnt out.
Best has a good shot against Flash, and some might even favor Stork over Flash, but the other players are underdogs (not counting Bisu, he's out of the SLs)

On December 20 2009 20:36 SuperArc wrote:


Flash is in godmode in TvZ and TvT, but not in TvP. He even said he has problems with TvP in PRACTICE which means his televised TvPs will be even worse.

and he didnt even look good against DaezanG

On December 20 2009 20:36 SuperArc wrote:


Flash is in godmode in TvZ and TvT, but not in TvP. He even said he has problems with TvP in PRACTICE which means his televised TvPs will be even worse.

and he didnt even look good against DaezanG

On December 20 2009 21:14 Geo.Rion wrote:

i think you messed up sg. He said, at least i read that, he wasnt doing that well in televised TvPs, so he's gonna PRACTICE to change that. Same words, differnet order.

Your TvP seems weak compared to your almost perfect TvZ and TvT. How will you improve?
- Honestly, as I prepared for the game against (P)BeSt, I thought I was gonna lose. I didn't play TvP for months, played against (P)DaezanG, and then didn't play again for a while. I lost a lot during practice and felt frustrated. At practice and during game I was discouraged by myself. If I have other chances I'll try to do well.

On December 20 2009 21:46 SuperArc wrote:


took me ages to find, but finally



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105590

On December 20 2009 16:46 ghostWriter wrote:


Why would you recall onto mines when you have an observer in their base checking factory count and able to see much of their base, if not the whole thing? And it's impossible to have enough mines to harrass and cover your front without putting a shitload in your base, not to mention the apm it takes to do it. Recall is pretty much the most imba thing except maybe dark swarm, if you didn't suck you wouldn't recall onto mines.
Spreading tanks is not easy to do either when you're rushing out, trying to get as close to their expansions or whatever as possible without getting totally caught out of positions without any mines in front. Oh what? An errant mine can rape the shit out of half your vultures and heavily damage your tanks? 8 storms from 4 templars in a shuttle can decimate your tank count?

I feel like luckyfool.

On December 20 2009 15:42 pvzvt wrote:
i dont know who mentioned it earlier
but i find it funny that a mediocre zerg is starting to explode
HYUN won his last 5 matches in proleague against
Calmx2 stork free and for desert free
wtf??
cnbc maybe

On December 21 2009 12:07 Musoeun wrote:


And you missed the end-of-streak beating of Flash?

On December 21 2009 07:29 AzureEye wrote:



Only beginner Terrans whine about Dark swarm, how easy is it to stim + run out of the swarm area? Dark swarm on Nat? Oh stop complaining, you guys can lift CC and move your workers easier because enemy zerg units don't do ranged damage (harder to hit a train line of workers with units that are melee) Protoss should be the one to complain about Dark Swarm, they can't lift their nexus and their cannons are useless

On December 21 2009 10:39 ghostWriter wrote:
Try playing terran before you say anything please lolol

No it doesn't contradict because you don't have mines everywhere, there's always going to be an empty space for recall to fall, only a beginner would recall on mines. If spreading tanks and mining is as easy as you say, then why are pro gamers unable to do it well, never mind beginner terrans. No one was 'whining' about dark swarm, I merely stated a fact.

On December 21 2009 10:39 ghostWriter wrote:
Having observers is like having infinite maphack. Just two observers, one for watching fact count and one for watching push timing, is enough to win you the game. Oh what? They're cloaked AND they last forever instead for a few seconds? Oh you can move them instead of guessing where to scan? Huh, how convenient.

PvT is massively imbalanced in favor of protoss, don't make me laugh.

On December 21 2009 21:46 Holgerius wrote:
''PvT is an actual balanced non mirror matchup, unlike TvZ.''

Bullshit. If we take stats from this seasons WCG Korea, OSL, MSL and PL we get roughly a 60% winrate for Protoss. Flash, who is raping all Zergs and Terrans out there, is failing against Toss. Nerf arbiters I say.

On December 21 2009 19:03 AzureEye wrote:


First of all, you're suppose to scan + clear out observers in your base at that late in the game when recall is available. When you have an infinite number of mines, covering your base is not that resource demanding because its free. APM demanding? Drag Group + Press i. Repeat. (thats easier than 1a2a3a). I agree that while there might often be some* small space where your base isn't covered by mines, its really the Terran player's fault for letting that happen. Just because pro gamers don't do it everytime doesn't mean its not easy. For example, Savior forgot to upgrade ling attack. Everyone knows you're suppose to do it. Its very easy, just click pool and press a. So because Progamer like Savior wasn't able to do it, its not easy? Pros forget to do a lot of basic things. Thats because they're only human. Just because the Terran pros that YOU watch don't spread tanks and place mines in base doesn't mean its too hard for them to do it. Sometimes people can just forget to do the most basic stuff.



Okay, this is dumb. You're complaining that observers are maphack when Terrans have scan? 3 CC with scan = you can see anything, anywhere, anytime. At least observers are limited to their range and they can be destroyed. It makes me sick that a Terran player that has scan are actually complaining about observers.....at least observers require a building, and research, take up supply, and it takes TIME to use them. You're complaining about where to scan? lol so spoiled, don't worry, you can practically scan the entire map with multiple scanners.

EDIT: PvT is an actual balanced non mirror matchup, unlike TvZ.