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On December 18 2009 13:19 nonduc wrote:
Hinanawi, please, tell me where I can find sources to be as "informed" as you are. :D
May be these sources are your dreams, aren’t they?
I like to assume the best from people, but I guess I'll have to directly link TLPD for you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/424_Flash/games/vs/Z
Best Streak: 19 wins
Now, if the Starcraft Illuminati were trying to artificially create good streaks for Flash, wouldn't they have used the same standards TLPD does? There was a long time where Flash's TLPD-standard streaks were more impressive than his Kespa-standard streaks, yet they didn't use them.
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Russian Federation405 Posts
They havn’t used the same "standards" TLPD does, because 1) TLPD is unknown in Korea — and rightly so with 2) TLPD "standards" are too unstandard for use, they are simply contradictory.
Oh, and these profound questions, conjectures and hypotheses are the sources of your "well-informed" knowledge?
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On December 18 2009 14:23 nonduc wrote:
They havn’t used the same "standards" TLPD does, because 1) TLPD is unknown in Korea — and rightly so with 2) TLPD "standards" are too unstandard for use, they are simply contradictory.
Oh, and these profound questions, conjectures and hypotheses are the sources of your "well-informed" knowledge?
I'm honestly not entirely sure what you're trying to say, here. Do you want Flash's game against Savior where he nuked himself to count? Or is it PL Allstars that you want to count? Or GOM? I'm not trying to be snarky here, I'm genuinely confused as to what you're even trying to argue.
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On December 18 2009 10:03 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 09:22 Lebesgue wrote:On December 18 2009 06:08 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
isn't it funny how when each of the "greats" went on a ridiculous tear in the PL/SL's their marquee matchup was their mirror MU?
BeST's best MU during his Incruit run was his PvP
Jaedong's best MU (well. JvZ) was his ZvZ
Bisu had some crazy 70% win rate PvP
and now Flash as he takes on both SL's is a TvT MONSTER
interesting That's actually pretty good observation. All of them dominated (or still dominate) their mirror match-up. But Flash going 19-0 in official games with the last loss to Hyia in May is insane. If we count gom this would be 22-1... 2009 Ultimate Proleague Championship was KeSPA sanctioned, i.e. official. It was in September. 
What I meant is the game that KeSPA counts when creating the ranking. Proleague show matches were KeSPA sanctioned (like WCG Korea) but they don't count. Otherwise Flash streak against Zerg would have been 16 not 12.
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Lebesgue, WCG Korea ISN’T KeSPA sanctioned tournament. And Proleague show matches weren’t KeSPA sanctioned too. A reliable sign of sanktioning — a judging of KeSPA referee. The last sanctioned game vs zerg before the SPL 09-10 was the game vs Kwanro in the Avalon MSL. The Flash’s winning streaks vs zergs in sanctioned games and in all games (sanctioned & non-sanctioned) are pretty the same. 
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Leave him be, he's just trolling...
edit: hmm, maybe I spoke too soon...let's see where it's heading...
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Flash may be looking good, but he only wins against weak players. He remains untested against truly S-class opponents. + Show Spoiler +Also Jaedong didn't have a chance.
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It took him more than 5 minutes to beat Jaedong. His TvZ clearly isn't legit.
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HyuN for bonjwa
Last four games are wins against Calm(x2), Stork, and Flash.
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On December 18 2009 19:49 Hinanawi wrote:
HyuN for bonjwa
Last four games are wins against Calm(x2), Stork, and Flash.
argreed
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On December 18 2009 19:49 Hinanawi wrote:
HyuN for bonjwa
Last four games are wins against Calm(x2), Stork, and Flash.
Woot, are you serious? That's some damn impressive victories!
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On December 18 2009 19:42 Holgerius wrote:
It took him more than 5 minutes to beat Jaedong. His TvZ clearly isn't legit. yeah, we should just drop flash off the PR altogether. Hes terrible!
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On December 19 2009 03:00 yhnmk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 19:42 Holgerius wrote:
It took him more than 5 minutes to beat Jaedong. His TvZ clearly isn't legit. yeah, we should just drop flash off the PR altogether. Hes terrible!
Agreed. Clearly Flash hasn't really been tested by the best and is just beating scrubs.
Once he runs into someone S class like Shine, it's all over. 
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Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
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On December 19 2009 16:15 Djabanete wrote:
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
Flash is a monster.
20 game TvT streak 
what a monster
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On December 18 2009 12:49 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 11:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
No it was not sanctioned for creditable wins and losses. Otherwise KESPA wouldn't be saying Flash had a 19 win streak, considering his loss to Sea in that tournament.
It's in the same boat as STX masters and the map tests -- showmatches, nothing more. KeSPA isn’t saying anything about Flash’s streaks — the newsmakers are saying. :D Flash has this "19" win streak only in selected, not in sanctioned games. For this streak count PL, Starleague, and MSL were just selected — for the good hot news.
On December 18 2009 14:23 nonduc wrote:
They havn’t used the same "standards" TLPD does, because 1) TLPD is unknown in Korea — and rightly so with 2) TLPD "standards" are too unstandard for use, they are simply contradictory.
Oh, and these profound questions, conjectures and hypotheses are the sources of your "well-informed" knowledge?
WTF IS THIS LOL
Flash was clearly fucking around in the game against savior in the all star and even said so in his chat, not that a loss to savior is embarrassing or anything. And just because it may have a loss here and there doesn't mean that all those win are any less impressive. MSL is MBC "Starleague" as well idiot, OSL isn't the official "Starleague". And there is nothing as important as Proleague, OSL and MSL. Ultimate PL and STX Masters are nothing tournaments. Just look at how the brackets were set up.
If flash doesn't get the top two spots, one for his TvT and one for his TvZ (his TvP is still 65% btw which is also insane and only looks bad in comparison to his TvT which is a ridiculous 73.21%) January's power rank will be a travesty. I would put his TvT at first because he lost to hyun. I forget who the opponent was but did you see the game where his ridiculous macro had him marching like 7 groups of m&m around the map, shitting on ultras without irradiate? Did you see him trash the shit out of Jaedong just one day ago? This is JAEDONG! Although he hasn't looked as invincible this season as he did last, he's still arguably the best player in the world (which is also justified by his World Cyber Games win). This is the Jaedong that had a Chinese fangirl tell him that she likes him and his answer was a suave "Thank you" in English AND Chinese. Let that sink in for a second before you contemplate how flash denied a 3rd (not a 4th, a 3rd) gas, forcing Jaedong to go hive off 2 gas because he was unable to do anything else. Even his mutas were only able to get about 1 scv kill before leaving flash's base either dead or heavily damaged.
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On December 20 2009 02:54 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 12:49 nonduc wrote:On December 18 2009 11:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
No it was not sanctioned for creditable wins and losses. Otherwise KESPA wouldn't be saying Flash had a 19 win streak, considering his loss to Sea in that tournament.
It's in the same boat as STX masters and the map tests -- showmatches, nothing more. KeSPA isn’t saying anything about Flash’s streaks — the newsmakers are saying. :D Flash has this "19" win streak only in selected, not in sanctioned games. For this streak count PL, Starleague, and MSL were just selected — for the good hot news. Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 14:23 nonduc wrote:
They havn’t used the same "standards" TLPD does, because 1) TLPD is unknown in Korea — and rightly so with 2) TLPD "standards" are too unstandard for use, they are simply contradictory.
Oh, and these profound questions, conjectures and hypotheses are the sources of your "well-informed" knowledge? WTF IS THIS LOL Flash was clearly fucking around in the game against savior in the all star and even said so in his chat, not that a loss to savior is embarrassing or anything. And just because it may have a loss here and there doesn't mean that all those win are any less impressive. MSL is MBC "Starleague" as well idiot, OSL isn't the official "Starleague". And there is nothing as important as Proleague, OSL and MSL. Ultimate PL and STX Masters are nothing tournaments. Just look at how the brackets were set up. If flash doesn't get the top two spots, one for his TvT and one for his TvZ (his TvP is still 65% btw which is also insane and only looks bad in comparison to his TvT which is a ridiculous 73.21%) January's power rank will be a travesty. I would put his TvT at first because he lost to hyun. I forget who the opponent was but did you see the game where his ridiculous macro had him marching like 7 groups of m&m around the map, shitting on ultras without irradiate? Did you see him trash the shit out of Jaedong just one day ago? This is JAEDONG! Although he hasn't looked as invincible this season as he did last, he's still arguably the best player in the world (which is also justified by his World Cyber Games win). This is the Jaedong that had a Chinese fangirl tell him that she likes him and his answer was a suave "Thank you" in English AND Chinese. Let that sink in for a second before you contemplate how flash denied a 3rd (not a 4th, a 3rd) gas, forcing Jaedong to go hive off 2 gas because he was unable to do anything else. Even his mutas were only able to get about 1 scv kill before leaving flash's base either dead or heavily damaged.
Flash's vP win rate this year is 57.58%. That's damn alarming for Flash fans. Even if he beats Jaedong, his wins are far from sure since MSL has tons of good protoss and OSL still has Stork.
atm Flash is the god of TvT and TvZ, but his TvP (3-11 against the former dragons) is lacking. It's also the only reason not everyone says Flash is bonjwa or stuff like that.
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On December 20 2009 03:07 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2009 02:54 ghostWriter wrote:On December 18 2009 12:49 nonduc wrote:On December 18 2009 11:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
No it was not sanctioned for creditable wins and losses. Otherwise KESPA wouldn't be saying Flash had a 19 win streak, considering his loss to Sea in that tournament.
It's in the same boat as STX masters and the map tests -- showmatches, nothing more. KeSPA isn’t saying anything about Flash’s streaks — the newsmakers are saying. :D Flash has this "19" win streak only in selected, not in sanctioned games. For this streak count PL, Starleague, and MSL were just selected — for the good hot news. On December 18 2009 14:23 nonduc wrote:
They havn’t used the same "standards" TLPD does, because 1) TLPD is unknown in Korea — and rightly so with 2) TLPD "standards" are too unstandard for use, they are simply contradictory.
Oh, and these profound questions, conjectures and hypotheses are the sources of your "well-informed" knowledge? WTF IS THIS LOL Flash was clearly fucking around in the game against savior in the all star and even said so in his chat, not that a loss to savior is embarrassing or anything. And just because it may have a loss here and there doesn't mean that all those win are any less impressive. MSL is MBC "Starleague" as well idiot, OSL isn't the official "Starleague". And there is nothing as important as Proleague, OSL and MSL. Ultimate PL and STX Masters are nothing tournaments. Just look at how the brackets were set up. If flash doesn't get the top two spots, one for his TvT and one for his TvZ (his TvP is still 65% btw which is also insane and only looks bad in comparison to his TvT which is a ridiculous 73.21%) January's power rank will be a travesty. I would put his TvT at first because he lost to hyun. I forget who the opponent was but did you see the game where his ridiculous macro had him marching like 7 groups of m&m around the map, shitting on ultras without irradiate? Did you see him trash the shit out of Jaedong just one day ago? This is JAEDONG! Although he hasn't looked as invincible this season as he did last, he's still arguably the best player in the world (which is also justified by his World Cyber Games win). This is the Jaedong that had a Chinese fangirl tell him that she likes him and his answer was a suave "Thank you" in English AND Chinese. Let that sink in for a second before you contemplate how flash denied a 3rd (not a 4th, a 3rd) gas, forcing Jaedong to go hive off 2 gas because he was unable to do anything else. Even his mutas were only able to get about 1 scv kill before leaving flash's base either dead or heavily damaged. Flash's vP win rate this year is 57.58%. That's damn alarming for Flash fans. Even if he beats Jaedong, his wins are far from sure since MSL has tons of good protoss and OSL still has Stork. atm Flash is the god of TvT and TvZ, but his TvP (3-11 against the former dragons) is lacking. It's also the only reason not everyone says Flash is bonjwa or stuff like that.
But the good thing is that Flash is fully aware of this and he claims in the interviews that he is really working on his TvP. I hope he will manage to fix it to become all-round monster.
Also, I think these days there are no Terrans who are able to keep high percentage against Protoss. Fantasy and Hyia were doing alright for some time but not anymore this season (+WCG).
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