EPTEven if you put up turrets and mines, you can't cover your entire base.
Power Rank 12/01/2009 - Page 17
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
Even if you put up turrets and mines, you can't cover your entire base. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 20 2009 04:22 Geo.Rion wrote: Flash will tear apart the SLs if JD does not stop them. Statistics aside Stork is the only protoss in the SLs who would beat him in bo5. you seriously underestimate Kal, Best and Jangbi then. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On December 20 2009 04:38 SuperArc wrote: you seriously underestimate Kal, Best and Jangbi then. Jangbi only if he will play like he used to have. Best maybe. Kal, I don't think so. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
doesn't look so bad to me. flash played a good series against bisu in gom1 and played ok in wcg. lost to much in winners league, that was child labor terran era if ever anything was. lost to best at the height of best's skill and now again when best is moving back up near the PR. (he also simply has a poor record against best.) lost to stork recently, that was a good game and stork prepared a spectacular strategy for it. the gom series against shuttle was spectacular. i don't know much about the games against kal.or jangbi but betting against flash in a bo5 right now would be entirely stupid | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On December 20 2009 04:55 o[twist] wrote: flash's tvp is alright doesn't look so bad to me. flash played a good series against bisu in gom1 and played ok in wcg. lost to much in winners league, that was child labor terran era if ever anything was. lost to best at the height of best's skill and now again when best is moving back up near the PR. (he also simply has a poor record against best.) lost to stork recently, that was a good game and stork prepared a spectacular strategy for it. the gom series against shuttle was spectacular. i don't know much about the games against kal.or jangbi but betting against flash in a bo5 right now would be entirely stupid Flash lost to Jangbi in the infamous match against Samsung where he went 2:0 against Stork and Jangbi. But Jangbi played near perfect game that time. I agree that Flash TvP doesn't look that bad. But it is not at the level of his TvT ot TvZ. It is till rock solid though and I think he has a fair chance against any of the top PvTer these days. Anyway, that's all just speculations. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 20 2009 04:43 Lebesgue wrote: Jangbi only if he will play like he used to have. Best maybe. Kal, I don't think so. Agree. Best would probably do a good job but jangbi and kal aren't even close to being worthy of the 6 dragons name anymore. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 20 2009 04:59 Lebesgue wrote: Flash lost to Jangbi in the infamous match against Samsung where he went 2:0 against Stork and Jangbi. But Jangbi played near perfect game that time. I agree that Flash TvP doesn't look that bad. But it is not at the level of his TvT ot TvZ. It is till rock solid though and I think he has a fair chance against any of the top PvTer these days. Anyway, that's all just speculations. oh right. was jangbi the carriers on destination or was that stork? | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 20 2009 05:08 o[twist] wrote: oh right. was jangbi the carriers on destination or was that stork? it was jangbi and it was more the storms that sealed the win than the carriers | ||
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United States10328 Posts
though he has been failing to beat the S-class TvPers this year, which is "disturbing" (lol) compared to last year at least [beating stork jangbi bisu a lot of times....] | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On December 20 2009 05:08 o[twist] wrote: oh right. was jangbi the carriers on destination or was that stork? Against Stork was on outsider. Against Jangbi was the desti with carriers. What stopped Flash were some amazing stroms. Jangbi had a shuttle full of hts when Flash pushed to hit the timing window before carriers arrive and he make great use of them. This allowed him to transition nicely into carriers and then abuse their mobility... | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
But at the moment, we don't know if it's not just because PvT is seriously fucking imba lately. NOBODY is posting consistent good results against good Protosses playing as Terran right now. There's just nothing T can do if P gets 4-5 arbiters and makes sure not to clump them together. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
On December 20 2009 07:58 Hinanawi wrote: If there was a Terran who had awesome TvP right now and was ripping Protosses apart, then it might be fair to say that Flash's TvP is lacking. But at the moment, we don't know if it's not just because PvT is seriously fucking imba lately. NOBODY is posting consistent good results against good Protosses playing as Terran right now. There's just nothing T can do if P gets 4-5 arbiters and makes sure not to clump them together.  Really? just a kt fan making excuses for flash | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
I'll believe Really's TvP is for real when he doesn't only have 1 impressive win in there (against Kal). Notice his abysmal performances against Bisu/BeSt/free/Jangbi. Also 52.94% lol. In fact, he's facing Jangbi tonight. If he can win against arbiter gayness, then Really might be for real and Flash could learn a thing or two from him. We'll see, I suppose. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
On December 20 2009 10:19 Hinanawi wrote: I'll believe Really's TvP is for real when he doesn't only have 1 impressive win in there (against Kal). Notice his abysmal performances against Bisu/BeSt/free/Jangbi. Also 52.94% lol. In fact, he's facing Jangbi tonight. If he can win against arbiter gayness, then Really might be for real and Flash could learn a thing or two from him. We'll see, I suppose. guess what + Show Spoiler + really won even after failing to kill a 12nex with a bunker rush | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
On December 20 2009 14:19 iamho wrote: guess what + Show Spoiler + really won even after failing to kill a 12nex with a bunker rush Jangbi really had to try hard to lose that game, it was a herculean struggle. His clutch stop-dragoons and arbiter-against-missile turret strategies went well with his dragoon minesweeping strategy and just barely managed to let him lose, but he almost accidentally won when he remembered that arbiters could stasis. + Show Spoiler + No but really, Really played well with all those mines everywhere and Jangbi deciding that observers are for pussies. | ||
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
but i find it funny that a mediocre zerg is starting to explode HYUN won his last 5 matches in proleague against Calmx2 stork free and for desert free wtf?? cnbc maybe | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On December 20 2009 10:19 Hinanawi wrote: I'll believe Really's TvP is for real when he doesn't only have 1 impressive win in there (against Kal). Notice his abysmal performances against Bisu/BeSt/free/Jangbi. Also 52.94% lol. In fact, he's facing Jangbi tonight. If he can win against arbiter gayness, then Really might be for real and Flash could learn a thing or two from him. We'll see, I suppose. You complain about Arbiters? Guess what, recall actually helps you if you place mines all over your base (and why wouldn't you when they're free?) Stasis is not a problem if you spread out your tanks The cloak? Terrans nowadays at least have 3 scans in mid game. Thats like infinite maphack and its more than enough to last you till Vessel PvT is not imbalanced. Its the most goddamn balanced non mirror matchup. If anything is imba, its TvZ. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 20 2009 15:57 AzureEye wrote: You complain about Arbiters? Guess what, recall actually helps you if you place mines all over your base (and why wouldn't you when they're free?) Stasis is not a problem if you spread out your tanks The cloak? Terrans nowadays at least have 3 scans in mid game. Thats like infinite maphack and its more than enough to last you till Vessel PvT is not imbalanced. Its the most goddamn balanced non mirror matchup. If anything is imba, its TvZ. Why would you recall onto mines when you have an observer in their base checking factory count and able to see much of their base, if not the whole thing? And it's impossible to have enough mines to harrass and cover your front without putting a shitload in your base, not to mention the apm it takes to do it. Recall is pretty much the most imba thing except maybe dark swarm, if you didn't suck you wouldn't recall onto mines. Spreading tanks is not easy to do either when you're rushing out, trying to get as close to their expansions or whatever as possible without getting totally caught out of positions without any mines in front. Oh what? An errant mine can rape the shit out of half your vultures and heavily damage your tanks? 8 storms from 4 templars in a shuttle can decimate your tank count? I feel like luckyfool. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On December 20 2009 04:38 SuperArc wrote: you seriously underestimate Kal, Best and Jangbi then. Speaking on behalf of Flash here: + Show Spoiler + Bring. + Show Spoiler + It. + Show Spoiler + On. | ||
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