|
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On October 26 2009 10:17 fanatacist wrote:
Lol I saw "last post: tree.hugger" and I was like AWW SHIET
But I was dissappointed ):
I have no idea how to take this. (EDIT: Haha.)
But anyway,
 Flash is leading a new revolution of TvZ, which I think has something to do with the maps, but not entirely. fantasy already has proven that mech is viable on any map, and I think that mech as a whole, especially in the hands of fantasy is still extremely viable. Zerg have certainly learned how to deal with it though, which was only inevitable.
Flash's adaptation is relatively simple, but it fits a player who's mechanics are as strong as Flash's. It depends mainly on picking unusual timings and the use of dropships to increase the mobility and multi-task ability of any MnM army. The famous Terran "ball" has seen a lot less usage in many recent games, because terran are starting to split it up, and divide it in order to harass. It wouldn't necessarily stand out as anything special, but then Leta tried to copy it with disappointing but still successful results against ZerO.
We'll call it the "counter-reformation".
|
On October 26 2009 11:49 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 10:52 Hinanawi wrote:
I think the best strategy for anyone going against KT right now is to train one of their strong Protoss players (but not someone in the main 4 roster) specifically to prepare a strategy for an ace game against Flash (except SKT obviously, who can just use Bisu).
PvT looks pretty scary (Flash cut it mighty close against DaezanG, and Fantasy got rolled by Stork) right now honestly. Terrans are lucky that Zergs are cutting down Protoss players left and right. Any team with a top PvT player will have a great chance against KT in an ace match. When was the last time Flash won vs a top tier PvTer? Like Kal back in winners league or something, hes had awful stats vs the dragons the last year or so. (Tho he demolishes everyone who`s not among the absolute best) Show nested quote +
On the bright side, Flash is totally the best player in the world. His TvT looks stronger than Jaedong's ZvZ lately, which is fucking crazy.
Is it stronger than Bisus PvP tho?
First point, Flash took a game off Bisu in WCG. Actually they just ended up trading matches for whichever map they had race advantage on (Bisu easily taking the third set on HBR).
Secondly, I'd wager so. At the very least, Flash is breaking records everywhich way in TvT.
|
On October 26 2009 11:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 11:49 Oystein wrote:On October 26 2009 10:52 Hinanawi wrote:
I think the best strategy for anyone going against KT right now is to train one of their strong Protoss players (but not someone in the main 4 roster) specifically to prepare a strategy for an ace game against Flash (except SKT obviously, who can just use Bisu).
PvT looks pretty scary (Flash cut it mighty close against DaezanG, and Fantasy got rolled by Stork) right now honestly. Terrans are lucky that Zergs are cutting down Protoss players left and right. Any team with a top PvT player will have a great chance against KT in an ace match. When was the last time Flash won vs a top tier PvTer? Like Kal back in winners league or something, hes had awful stats vs the dragons the last year or so. (Tho he demolishes everyone who`s not among the absolute best)
On the bright side, Flash is totally the best player in the world. His TvT looks stronger than Jaedong's ZvZ lately, which is fucking crazy.
Is it stronger than Bisus PvP tho? First point, Flash took a game off Bisu in WCG. Actually they just ended up trading matches for whichever map they had race advantage on (Bisu easily taking the third set on HBR). Secondly, I'd wager so. At the very least, Flash is breaking records everywhich way in TvT.
I don`t consider taking games in BOx beating someone, chances are good the losing player will take a game in series. (Tho I guess I could have made that more clear in my post that I meant actually WINNING the SET or the normal BO1 matches)
Bisu don`t got any records in PvP (Best made breaking winstreaks a bitch) but hes sitting at 81.5% for 09 (compared to Flash 72,5%), and 76% since 08-present. Having his overall rate below 70% thanks to a mediocre 50ish% winrate over his first 40-50 games of his carrer. Also he have never lost any BOx series vs anyone but Stork and have a SICK BO lifetime stats. (Something like 12-2 or so, im not bothering to check it up). Everyone always seem to underestimate his PvP achievements 
|
On October 26 2009 11:58 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 10:17 fanatacist wrote:
Lol I saw "last post: tree.hugger" and I was like AWW SHIET
But I was dissappointed ): I have no idea how to take this. But anyway, Flash is leading a new revolution of TvZ, which I think has something to do with the maps, but not entirely. fantasy already has proven that mech is viable on any map, and I think that mech as a whole, especially in the hands of fantasy is still extremely viable. Zerg have certainly learned how to deal with it though, which was only inevitable. Flash's adaptation is relatively simple, but it fits a player who's mechanics are as strong as Flash's. It depends mainly on picking unusual timings and the use of dropships to increase the mobility and multi-task ability of any MnM army. The famous Terran "ball" has seen a lot less usage in many recent games, because terran are starting to split it up, and divide it in order to harass. It wouldn't necessarily stand out as anything special, but then Leta tried to copy it with disappointing but still successful results against ZerO. We'll call it the "counter-reformation".
There was some drama concerning you on the page prior and I thought you came back to make more drama but you went the responsible/pacifist/apathetic route ):
|
On October 26 2009 10:17 fanatacist wrote:
Lol I saw "last post: tree.hugger" and I was like AWW SHIET
But I was dissappointed ):
And I was like ''Dang, I really have to go to sleep, but now I am going to get entangled in moar pointless internet discussions''.
But I was pleased. No antagonizing response = good night's sleep for me. 
|
btw I think RuBy deserves at least a CBNC
|
Stork is looking hot. :D Especially his PvZ, which is probably the best in the world right now.
|
On October 26 2009 21:18 Holgerius wrote:
Stork is looking hot. :D Especially his PvZ, which is probably the best in the world right now.
Q_Q
|
On October 26 2009 21:18 Holgerius wrote:
Stork is looking hot. :D Especially his PvZ, which is probably the best in the world right now.
Even though storks my favorite s-class player and yes hes looking hot(but a bit sloopy) atm i strongly dissagre with his PvZ being 'proably the best in the world right now'
Yeah he won vs ggaemo and gorush but ggaemo played kinda meh and the gorush game was pretty damn sloopy.
Also he lost vs hyuk but hyuks on fire atm so i dont think that matter all that much.
|
On October 26 2009 12:15 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 11:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 26 2009 11:49 Oystein wrote:On October 26 2009 10:52 Hinanawi wrote:
I think the best strategy for anyone going against KT right now is to train one of their strong Protoss players (but not someone in the main 4 roster) specifically to prepare a strategy for an ace game against Flash (except SKT obviously, who can just use Bisu).
PvT looks pretty scary (Flash cut it mighty close against DaezanG, and Fantasy got rolled by Stork) right now honestly. Terrans are lucky that Zergs are cutting down Protoss players left and right. Any team with a top PvT player will have a great chance against KT in an ace match. When was the last time Flash won vs a top tier PvTer? Like Kal back in winners league or something, hes had awful stats vs the dragons the last year or so. (Tho he demolishes everyone who`s not among the absolute best)
On the bright side, Flash is totally the best player in the world. His TvT looks stronger than Jaedong's ZvZ lately, which is fucking crazy.
Is it stronger than Bisus PvP tho? First point, Flash took a game off Bisu in WCG. Actually they just ended up trading matches for whichever map they had race advantage on (Bisu easily taking the third set on HBR). Secondly, I'd wager so. At the very least, Flash is breaking records everywhich way in TvT. I don`t consider taking games in BOx beating someone, chances are good the losing player will take a game in series. (Tho I guess I could have made that more clear in my post that I meant actually WINNING the SET or the normal BO1 matches) Bisu don`t got any records in PvP (Best made breaking winstreaks a bitch) but hes sitting at 81.5% for 09 (compared to Flash 72,5%), and 76% since 08-present. Having his overall rate below 70% thanks to a mediocre 50ish% winrate over his first 40-50 games of his carrer. Also he have never lost any BOx series vs anyone but Stork and have a SICK BO lifetime stats. (Something like 12-2 or so, im not bothering to check it up). Everyone always seem to underestimate his PvP achievements
Yeah and for the last half year Flash has like an 85% winrate -- I can probably pick a fairly arbitrary timeline to pull out statistics as well. I'm more referring to how dominant his play IN the game is in TvT, which his statistics only help support. And more recently he's on a ridiculous TvT streak. Bisu's PvP has been consistently strong, but nothing like Flash's TvTs. I compared Flash's TvT to Jaedong's ZvZ because he has a knack for making amazing comebacks despite being hugely behind. Bisu just has an incredibly consistent and solid PvP, but it's not beyond him to not only lose, but get dominated(where you get your situations with Violet and Guemchi and such). The last TvT I can remember Flash getting "dominated" in was that one vs Fantasy in Winner's League, and that was BBS vs 14 CC, a legit loss but hardly a mark against Flash's talent in the match up.
Credit where it's due, though, Bisu has made some pretty amazing PvP comebacks before, like his game against Free last MSL where he totally screwed the pooch but took advantage of Free's poor army position. I just don't think it compares to shit like Flash vs FBH or Flash vs Leta, etc.
|
Comebacks are much easier in TvT because of Terran's defensive power... in PvP and ZvZ the player who is behind can often be killed outright. In TvT you can often still split the map with one less base on your half than your opponent's, and Flash can slowly win with his superior mass-dropship play. That's much less of an option in PvP or ZvZ since the defender advantage is basically the units that can be made in the time it takes to cross the map...
|
Who would you say is better at PvZ right now, then? Bisu, ey? Stork is 8-2 in his last 10 PvZ's and that's including 3-0 against Jaedong himself, whereas Bisu just lost 1-2 against Shine. He looked lost in those games, man. Stork beat his noob 2-0 in a quite dominant fashion. Yes, Bisu is historically the more consistens player in the match up, but right now Stork is kicking Zerg ass and Bisu is not.
|
On October 27 2009 01:28 Severedevil wrote:
Comebacks are much easier in TvT because of Terran's defensive power... in PvP and ZvZ the player who is behind can often be killed outright. In TvT you can often still split the map with one less base on your half than your opponent's, and Flash can slowly win with his superior mass-dropship play. That's much less of an option in PvP or ZvZ since the defender advantage is basically the units that can be made in the time it takes to cross the map...
The same can be said of TvT? If you lose all six of your tanks while your opponent's 8 tank push is completely unharmed, then that should and usually is GG right there. It's easier to make up for errors in the latergame, but early game? Helllll no.
|
Flash TvT Elo: 2264
Bisu PvP Elo: 2262
Jaedong ZvZ Elo: 2238
It looks weird at first, but when I think about it, I AM more confident these days that Flash will win a TvT / Bisu will win a PvP than I am that Jaedong will win a ZvZ.
|
On October 26 2009 23:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 12:15 Oystein wrote:On October 26 2009 11:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 26 2009 11:49 Oystein wrote:On October 26 2009 10:52 Hinanawi wrote:
I think the best strategy for anyone going against KT right now is to train one of their strong Protoss players (but not someone in the main 4 roster) specifically to prepare a strategy for an ace game against Flash (except SKT obviously, who can just use Bisu).
PvT looks pretty scary (Flash cut it mighty close against DaezanG, and Fantasy got rolled by Stork) right now honestly. Terrans are lucky that Zergs are cutting down Protoss players left and right. Any team with a top PvT player will have a great chance against KT in an ace match. When was the last time Flash won vs a top tier PvTer? Like Kal back in winners league or something, hes had awful stats vs the dragons the last year or so. (Tho he demolishes everyone who`s not among the absolute best)
On the bright side, Flash is totally the best player in the world. His TvT looks stronger than Jaedong's ZvZ lately, which is fucking crazy.
Is it stronger than Bisus PvP tho? First point, Flash took a game off Bisu in WCG. Actually they just ended up trading matches for whichever map they had race advantage on (Bisu easily taking the third set on HBR). Secondly, I'd wager so. At the very least, Flash is breaking records everywhich way in TvT. I don`t consider taking games in BOx beating someone, chances are good the losing player will take a game in series. (Tho I guess I could have made that more clear in my post that I meant actually WINNING the SET or the normal BO1 matches) Bisu don`t got any records in PvP (Best made breaking winstreaks a bitch) but hes sitting at 81.5% for 09 (compared to Flash 72,5%), and 76% since 08-present. Having his overall rate below 70% thanks to a mediocre 50ish% winrate over his first 40-50 games of his carrer. Also he have never lost any BOx series vs anyone but Stork and have a SICK BO lifetime stats. (Something like 12-2 or so, im not bothering to check it up). Everyone always seem to underestimate his PvP achievements Yeah and for the last half year Flash has like an 85% winrate -- I can probably pick a fairly arbitrary timeline to pull out statistics as well. I'm more referring to how dominant his play IN the game is in TvT, which his statistics only help support. And more recently he's on a ridiculous TvT streak. Bisu's PvP has been consistently strong, but nothing like Flash's TvTs. I compared Flash's TvT to Jaedong's ZvZ because he has a knack for making amazing comebacks despite being hugely behind. Bisu just has an incredibly consistent and solid PvP, but it's not beyond him to not only lose, but get dominated(where you get your situations with Violet and Guemchi and such). The last TvT I can remember Flash getting "dominated" in was that one vs Fantasy in Winner's League, and that was BBS vs 14 CC, a legit loss but hardly a mark against Flash's talent in the match up. Credit where it's due, though, Bisu has made some pretty amazing PvP comebacks before, like his game against Free last MSL where he totally screwed the pooch but took advantage of Free's poor army position. I just don't think it compares to shit like Flash vs FBH or Flash vs Leta, etc.
Arbitrary timeline? I picked the stats for this year (almost a year) and since the start of 08 (almost 2 years) to show his incredible consistency in the matchup over a large amount of time. (I am sure I could have found better winrates over shorter periods if I just bothered looking for that like you are implying I did)
Sure Bisu lose games, but I dont understand how you can call a game like vs Violet where he gets shafted on position and build and still make it look like he could for a while make a comeback getting dominated. I guess you could call barely breaking into guemchis main after razing his nat while getting ninjaed by DTs getting dominated (Having the worst positions once again making that DT drop easily possible). However if you wanted to show games where he really got dominated, his game vs Stork on Shades would have been a much better example because that game Bisu actually played bad on top of having bad positions once again or some of his games vs Jangbi at Destination. Point is you make it seem like lots of his losses are his opponent dominating him, when often its a combination of bad positions and having the worse build order (Often forced on him by having bad positions) that causes him to lose the games often beside him getting simply outplayed.
You use his lack of epic comebacks against him, but lets face it TvT have a lot more potential for comebacks since you can do a lot more with few units and positioning in that matchup (and being a few expos behind can be turned around quickly by drops etc) Tho I agree that some of Flashs comeback have been off the hooks. While in PvP if you get far behind usually its close to impossible to beat the overwhelming amounts of units your opponent can macro out and simply A-move into you, also more often the games stay on 1-3 bases. Your not holding Jaedongs lack of epic lategame comebacks against his ZvZ do you?
Anyway there are several of examples of Bisu digging himself out of some pretty deep holes PvP for example his game vs Free that you mentioned or his game vs Backho on Medusa.
The thing is just like Flash and Jaedong he seem to be able to very often get out of tight spots in his mirror match, be it bad positions or having the worse build order. Look at his 4gate defense for instance that is way better than any other toss, seemingly regardless of what build order he does himself.
In the end what I am trying to say is that during the last 2 years and especially the last year his mirror have been at least as dominating as JDs and Flash but it seems like he never gets credit for it while people always speak highly about Flash`s insane TvT and Jaedongs JvZ. Don`t get me wrong I have the utmost respect for the other twos mirrors and as players in general, I am just tired of seeing one of the strongest matchups of all time being so much overlooked.
|
On October 27 2009 01:39 Hinanawi wrote:
Flash TvT Elo: 2264
Bisu PvP Elo: 2262
Jaedong ZvZ Elo: 2238
It looks weird at first, but when I think about it, I AM more confident these days that Flash will win a TvT / Bisu will win a PvP than I am that Jaedong will win a ZvZ.
Thats because nowadays every mediocre zerg and his brother can ZvZ at a level that they can take a game off of any other zerg in good day ... not to mention that the random 12 hatch makes or breaks games . While only a few protoss and terrans can trully be considered the best in their MUs . When Jaedong is in form his the best ZvZer .
|
It's hard to compare different mirror matchups, but Bisu's PvP is absolutely on the same level as Flash's TvT and Jaedong's ZvZ, if not even higher. Right now, it's definitely looking better than Jaedong's ZvZ, and I wouldn't particularly disagree (nor strongly agree) if someone claims Bisu's PvP is even stronger than Flash's TvT.
|
I'd instead argue there are more good Zerg to challenge JD than there are good Toss to challenge Bisu
|
On October 27 2009 02:04 Oystein wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 23:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 26 2009 12:15 Oystein wrote:On October 26 2009 11:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 26 2009 11:49 Oystein wrote:On October 26 2009 10:52 Hinanawi wrote:
I think the best strategy for anyone going against KT right now is to train one of their strong Protoss players (but not someone in the main 4 roster) specifically to prepare a strategy for an ace game against Flash (except SKT obviously, who can just use Bisu).
PvT looks pretty scary (Flash cut it mighty close against DaezanG, and Fantasy got rolled by Stork) right now honestly. Terrans are lucky that Zergs are cutting down Protoss players left and right. Any team with a top PvT player will have a great chance against KT in an ace match. When was the last time Flash won vs a top tier PvTer? Like Kal back in winners league or something, hes had awful stats vs the dragons the last year or so. (Tho he demolishes everyone who`s not among the absolute best)
On the bright side, Flash is totally the best player in the world. His TvT looks stronger than Jaedong's ZvZ lately, which is fucking crazy.
Is it stronger than Bisus PvP tho? First point, Flash took a game off Bisu in WCG. Actually they just ended up trading matches for whichever map they had race advantage on (Bisu easily taking the third set on HBR). Secondly, I'd wager so. At the very least, Flash is breaking records everywhich way in TvT. I don`t consider taking games in BOx beating someone, chances are good the losing player will take a game in series. (Tho I guess I could have made that more clear in my post that I meant actually WINNING the SET or the normal BO1 matches) Bisu don`t got any records in PvP (Best made breaking winstreaks a bitch) but hes sitting at 81.5% for 09 (compared to Flash 72,5%), and 76% since 08-present. Having his overall rate below 70% thanks to a mediocre 50ish% winrate over his first 40-50 games of his carrer. Also he have never lost any BOx series vs anyone but Stork and have a SICK BO lifetime stats. (Something like 12-2 or so, im not bothering to check it up). Everyone always seem to underestimate his PvP achievements Yeah and for the last half year Flash has like an 85% winrate -- I can probably pick a fairly arbitrary timeline to pull out statistics as well. I'm more referring to how dominant his play IN the game is in TvT, which his statistics only help support. And more recently he's on a ridiculous TvT streak. Bisu's PvP has been consistently strong, but nothing like Flash's TvTs. I compared Flash's TvT to Jaedong's ZvZ because he has a knack for making amazing comebacks despite being hugely behind. Bisu just has an incredibly consistent and solid PvP, but it's not beyond him to not only lose, but get dominated(where you get your situations with Violet and Guemchi and such). The last TvT I can remember Flash getting "dominated" in was that one vs Fantasy in Winner's League, and that was BBS vs 14 CC, a legit loss but hardly a mark against Flash's talent in the match up. Credit where it's due, though, Bisu has made some pretty amazing PvP comebacks before, like his game against Free last MSL where he totally screwed the pooch but took advantage of Free's poor army position. I just don't think it compares to shit like Flash vs FBH or Flash vs Leta, etc. Arbitrary timeline? I picked the stats for this year (almost a year) and since the start of 08 (almost 2 years) to show his incredible consistency in the matchup over a large amount of time. (I am sure I could have found better winrates over shorter periods if I just bothered looking for that like you are implying I did) Sure Bisu lose games, but I dont understand how you can call a game like vs Violet where he gets shafted on position and build and still make it look like he could for a while make a comeback getting dominated. I guess you could call barely breaking into guemchis main after razing his nat while getting ninjaed by DTs getting dominated (Having the worst positions once again making that DT drop easily possible). However if you wanted to show games where he really got dominated, his game vs Stork on Shades would have been a much better example because that game Bisu actually played bad on top of having bad positions once again or some of his games vs Jangbi at Destination. Point is you make it seem like lots of his losses are his opponent dominating him, when often its a combination of bad positions and having the worse build order (Often forced on him by having bad positions) that causes him to lose the games often beside him getting simply outplayed.
Lolwut, I'm pretty sure even Bisu himself has said the bottom left position on Medusa is the most difficult in PvP. Here's a link if you really need it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91661
You're horribly dismissing how well Violet played that game. He was constantly ahead of Bisu's build order by nearly 20 seconds at every turn, and outplayed him in almost every situation but one (The big battle in the middle where Bisu's quad reavers came to clean up, but even that helped Violet win because he had to sac a lot of reavers to stay alive). I'm not making a LOT of his loss, I'm pointing out how I don't think he's as far ahead in PvP as you think.
Someone who was, at the time, would be Best during his godmode PvP run. Bisu is consistently excellent and has a great history, but hell I wouldn't even call him the best PvPer ever. That'd probably be Best in his prime.
You use his lack of epic comebacks against him, but lets face it TvT have a lot more potential for comebacks since you can do a lot more with few units and positioning in that matchup (and being a few expos behind can be turned around quickly by drops etc) Tho I agree that some of Flashs comeback have been off the hooks. While in PvP if you get far behind usually its close to impossible to beat the overwhelming amounts of units your opponent can macro out and simply A-move into you, also more often the games stay on 1-3 bases. Your not holding Jaedongs lack of epic lategame comebacks against his ZvZ do you?
No, I'm using Jaedong's abundance of early game comebacks against him, since ZvZ usually ends in the early game. Just like how TvT usually ends in the lategame. I'm sure it's not far off to assume that PvP ends AROUND the middle game when you're getting reaver/storm tech and someone makes a push, right? Bisu has been in precarious situations before and a good half the time he comes out on top, but I can't remember a time when someone start to finish dominated Flash in a TvT (Jaedong was like this until recently, when Calm tore him apart in the MSL -- more a credit to Calm than mark against Jaedong).
It could easily just be the nature of PvP, though. I personally don't consider Bisu's PvP as strong as Flash's. Career records prove it if I REALLY needed to have some kind of overarching statistical support. And Flash is also doing better in the more pertinent very recent games, with his record breaking TvT according to Kespa, which sullies abit if you include GOM and his 1 loss to Iris's cheese.
Anyway there are several of examples of Bisu digging himself out of some pretty deep holes PvP for example his game vs Free that you mentioned or his game vs Backho on Medusa.
I don't think the Backho game was that big a comeback but I don't think Flash's most recent game vs FBH was that big a comeback, either. It's kind of subjective, though.
The thing is just like Flash and Jaedong he seem to be able to very often get out of tight spots in his mirror match, be it bad positions or having the worse build order. Look at his 4gate defense for instance that is way better than any other toss, seemingly regardless of what build order he does himself.
In the end what I am trying to say is that during the last 2 years and especially the last year his mirror have been at least as dominating as JDs and Flash but it seems like he never gets credit for it while people always speak highly about Flash`s insane TvT and Jaedongs JvZ. Don`t get me wrong I have the utmost respect for the other twos mirrors and as players in general, I am just tired of seeing one of the strongest matchups of all time being so much overlooked.
Man I am far from someone who overlooks Bisu's PvP. Just a few months ago I was arguing with like 10 people in the power rank that Bisu's best match up was his PvP and not his PvZ, even though they were very close statistically. Turns out I was right and alot of people are happy to admit that now. I just think Flash's TvT demonstrates an almost unseen level of ingame mastery. It's really hard to be that good, that often, at such a tedious and error prone matchup. Sure, it gives you more chances to stage a comeback, but it also gives you more chances to lose. Why do you think Flash has broken the TvT straight wins record with barely double digit wins? It's the hardest matchup to be the best at, I think.
Or maybe it's because there's always been an overabundance of good terrans in comparison to the other two races, so it was harder to be dominant at TvT. SO MANY FACTORS.
|
I definitely think Bisu's PvP is as impressive as Flash's TvT.
Bisu's mirror strength is probably not as well known simply because BeSt used to be 'better' (at least on paper) in the matchup than he was (whether it was true or not is up for debate). The theorycraft was that Stork = PvT, Bisu = PvZ, BeSt = PvP. JD and Flash have always been the reigning gods of their mirrors.
Also PvPs don't happen as often as ZvZs or TvTs, so Bisu gets fewer opportunities to show off his mirror skills.
I think it's kind of interesting that Bisu revolutionized PvZ (and it used to be his best MU) but now it's his weakest matchup, and Flash revolutionized TvP (and it used to be his best MU), but now it's his weakest. At the end of the day though, you can always count on your mirror to showcase your S-class ability since balance doesn't affect it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
