EPTPower Rank 10/01/2009 - Page 14
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On October 27 2009 03:23 SuperArc wrote: Hiya dominated Flash from start to finish. :p I realize you will talk about the last time they met, but I will say this anyway. Why are you posting on a game that won't be played for over 30 hours? | ||
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
Lolwut, I'm pretty sure even Bisu himself has said the bottom left position on Medusa is the most difficult in PvP. Here's a link if you really need it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91661 You're horribly dismissing how well Violet played that game. He was constantly ahead of Bisu's build order by nearly 20 seconds at every turn, and outplayed him in almost every situation but one (The big battle in the middle where Bisu's quad reavers came to clean up, but even that helped Violet win because he had to sac a lot of reavers to stay alive). I'm not making a LOT of his loss, I'm pointing out how I don't think he's as far ahead in PvP as you think. Someone who was, at the time, would be Best during his godmode PvP run. Bisu is consistently excellent and has a great history, but hell I wouldn't even call him the best PvPer ever. That'd probably be Best in his prime. While 6 is the worst position to have, I can guarantee you its advantages to play 6 vs 11. Having your entire main open for drops sort of hinders you from going fast nexus (while on the 6 pos he can much safer take his expo since he needs to cover a much smaller area of nearby flight paths), and leaves you totally open for harass along the entire bottom of your base. (If you want a good example of how this positional advantage can be abused go watch Bisu vs Stork from Batoo I think it is). In general having your main towards the enemy while he has his nat toward you is disadvantageous. I never said anywhere that Violet didnt play well that game, because he played good. But I think you are vastly underestimating the big advantage he had after defending Bisus first push, both far ahead in eco and position being able to constantly drop and simply having the threat of drop forcing Bisu to leave a lot more defense in his main\3rd than Violet would need in his own since its waaay longer to move around the map to drop his main\3rd without the fear of running into goons in the center. While Best 16 game win streak is absolutely insane I don`t understand how you can rate a 33 game hot streak(With lots of losses that is not counted into official games from offline qualifiers I might add) without much BOx tests (Tho I will say that he never should have lost that OSL bo3 vs Stork had it not been for the uberimba positions he got on Fantasy) above 2 years of consistent dominance in the matchup including only have lost series to a single player (including being 3-0 vs the one you rate the highest). Tho this point I guess its up to each person what they rate the highest, streaks or consistency? For me at least showing consistency over time (and a big number of games) trumps shorter (and more likely to be flukes) runs. As for what matchup is hardest to be good at I don`t really have that much of an opinion as I think its probably equally hard to be good at both. Also beside Best, Nal_Ra is the only one on a double digit win PvP with a 10game streak, with Bisu on 3rd with 9game streak and no one else above 7 games that I could find (tho I only checked 6-7 people who I think could have achieved it), so its not like its easier to perform well in PvP than its in TvT, statistically at least. I guess we just have to agree we have different opinions and accept that none of us will back down on their opinion. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
If KT aren't dicks they'll have Luxury prepare for ace instead tomorrow so that Flash can focus on his OSL match. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On October 27 2009 10:17 Hinanawi wrote: You guys are going to jinx Flash so hard. He still has to play a TvT against Hiya, (and possibly prepare for an ace against Jaedong), and then either a TvT or TvZ an hour later that same night. It's not over yet. If KT aren't dicks they'll have Luxury prepare for ace instead tomorrow so that Flash can focus on his OSL match. I am really pissed they fielded Flash on Tuesday. Will they ever fucking learn from the past. They have enough decent player to challenge Oz. Violet, Luxury, HoeJJa, Stats, ForGG should be enough to have a decent chance to take the game on Tuesday. But no, they have to send Flash... Sigh... I am really really worried about tomorrow... | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Surely KT could stand to try ONE night without Flash when he has an important OSL game the same night. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
if he was to end up against backho, and although backho beat flash last time, its unlikely that flash would feel scared or intimidated.. I mean.. its backbo.. lol | ||
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tedster
984 Posts
On October 27 2009 13:30 Hinanawi wrote: Calm is STX's ace, but he's not being sent out tonight even though he has nothing at all to play after the matches. Surely KT could stand to try ONE night without Flash when he has an important OSL game the same night. Calm's team is excellent though, and they're going to make the playoffs regardless (and probably get a top spot) so it makes sense for them to play other players and develop the lineup as much as possible. KT has to field forGG, and that's just depressing on many levels. I think KT has a sense of desperation (especially after last season) that is going to force them to play for the "now" as opposed to the long term. They really underperformed last season and the coach, at the very least, has to feel driven to push for wins at every step of the way now. | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
Too many of Flash's games have gone over the 20 minutes marks, that shows a decline in skill imo. Since a difference in skill is more marked the longer a game progresses, i disagree. | ||
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
On October 27 2009 16:21 nodule wrote: Since a difference in skill is more marked the longer a game progresses, i disagree. er.. i believe that was sarcasm | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On October 27 2009 16:21 nodule wrote: Since a difference in skill is more marked the longer a game progresses, i disagree. Not only were you wrong, you also failed to see the sarcasm in his post. GG internets | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On October 27 2009 12:16 Lebesgue wrote: I am really pissed they fielded Flash on Tuesday. Will they ever fucking learn from the past. They have enough decent player to challenge Oz. Violet, Luxury, HoeJJa, Stats, ForGG should be enough to have a decent chance to take the game on Tuesday. But no, they have to send Flash... Sigh... I am really really worried about tomorrow... TBH, sending a player out for games doesn't make him overworked. PRACTICING NONESTOP for games do that. As long as Flash is not working overtime for both the OSL and the PL, it really doesn't matter really. I mean, Stork always talks about how he doesn't even practice for certain SL matches when he's overloaded in terms of scheduling. Flash just needs to learn to pace himself in terms of practice. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On October 27 2009 23:20 baubo wrote: TBH, sending a player out for games doesn't make him overworked. PRACTICING NONESTOP for games do that. As long as Flash is not working overtime for both the OSL and the PL, it really doesn't matter really. I mean, Stork always talks about how he doesn't even practice for certain SL matches when he's overloaded in terms of scheduling. Flash just needs to learn to pace himself in terms of practice. The downside is, minimal practice is the easiest way for powerful players to drop games and BoX sets. | ||
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
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