Power Rank 10/01/2009

On October 01 2009 01:54 Orbifold wrote:
Least controversial PR ever.

On October 01 2009 01:54 Orbifold wrote:
Least controversial PR ever.

On October 01 2009 08:12 skronch wrote:

you mean least consequential PR ever .


j/k, i was looking forward to it anyways haha

On October 01 2009 01:35 ghostWriter wrote:
Decent pr. It was a pretty good writeup, considering what you had to work with.

On October 01 2009 07:32 Hinanawi wrote:
All eyes on Calm for next month's PR. It'll be interesting to see if he's the real deal or just another Effort who posts good stats for a while and then tanks in a spectacular fashion.

On October 01 2009 10:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
This ranking is completely filled with opinionated, ridiculous bullshit from a dude who clearly just coinflipped randomly to determine placement. Learn to watch games and analyze results without being a giant biased idiot fanboy please.

Jaedong at #1? Calm and Bisu in the Top 3?? Lack of GosI[Flying] from the Top 10!?!?

Seriously!??!

On October 01 2009 11:41 riptide wrote:

While I agree that Gosi[Flying] is well on his way to being the next bonjwa, surely you can't expect me to put him on the rank before he has at least two major individual league titles, right? I mean come on, Jaedong is on that list, and he has 4 titles. Simple math dictates that

4/2 = 2

So Gosi needs at least one OSL and one MSL title to be on the PR. Duh. This is after weighing Jaedong as the epitome of Starcraft atm of course, which though easy to do is not particularly sound in terms of statistics. If we go about this in a more sane way and take the top two rankers and do the math for them, Jaedong 4 + Calm 1 = 5. Then, Gosi's threshold too increases. He now has to win 2.5 titles, which for sanity's sake I will define as 1 MSL, 1 OSL and 1 GOM. Since GOM is now scrapped, Gosi can never realistically be placed on the Power Rank.

You seem to forget Hot_Bid, that all PR conclusions are arrived at via careful mathematics, and not pure conjecture as you allege. Sure, coins are involved (in fact, in order to maintain an equilibrium, we try and use coins representing at least 10 TL member currencies), but the process itself is very complex and has been passed down by word of mouth from Etter through Fakesteve and JWD to me.

On October 01 2009 08:18 iamho wrote:
Hyuk's new play style makes him look like Jaedong

On October 01 2009 18:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
<3 Stork

On October 03 2009 04:04 Orbifold wrote:
ORBIFOLD'S POWER RANK CHALLENGE

Create the most anger provoking power rank possible.
-Ranking must be within reason... no Hyuk for #1
-Give a brief justification for each pick.
-Extra points will be given for being condescending or trolling fan boys.

Example of a good rank:
+ Show Spoiler +
Entries will be ranked on a scale of 1 - RAWGRHHRH.

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 03 2009 04:04 Orbifold wrote:
ORBIFOLD'S POWER RANK CHALLENGE

Create the most anger provoking power rank possible.
-Ranking must be within reason... no Hyuk for #1
-Give a brief justification for each pick.
-Extra points will be given for being condescending or trolling fan boys.

Example of a good rank:
+ Show Spoiler +
Entries will be ranked on a scale of 1 - RAWGRHHRH.

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 03 2009 08:32 Hinanawi wrote:


JWD would have already won this award, except that dropping Flash off the rank completely for going 6-2 that month probably slipped outside the 'Ranking must be within reason' rule.

Stork is doing a well enough job of trolling SKT1 fanboys at the moment, anyhow. I'll bet he was dual-boxing in all his recent wins against Fantasy, leveling his World of Warcraft character while he played Starcraft simultaneously.

On October 03 2009 10:33 Orbifold wrote:


6/2 is pretty pathetic actually. What is that, a measly 75% win rate?

On October 05 2009 09:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Also, it bothers me when your don't think Jaedong's showmatch loss was enough to knock him down, yet you used a showmatch to knock up Stork's rank and knock down fantasy's. Inconsistent. Not that it matters, because none of these guys should be ranked.

Super lame.

On October 15 2009 02:24 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
get Bisu THE FUCK out of the top 5. Jesus -________-
dont get me wrong. i love the man but c'mon. HE LOST IN THE OSL TO SHINE
yeah. Shine. Who-the-fuck-is-Shine SHINE!

unexcusable

On October 15 2009 15:40 AzureEye wrote:
So is Bisu out of OSL for good this season?

On October 15 2009 16:31 Salteador Neo wrote:
Meh i was sure that if Shine defeated Really he would go through because of the maps. Poor Bisu and poor protoss race these days ><

On October 15 2009 02:24 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
get Bisu THE FUCK out of the top 5. Jesus -________-
dont get me wrong. i love the man but c'mon. HE LOST IN THE OSL TO SHINE
yeah. Shine. Who-the-fuck-is-Shine SHINE!

unexcusable

On October 15 2009 17:03 vnlegend wrote:

Typical Bisu/Flash/JD bandwagoning fan. Must be time to jump off already huh?

On October 16 2009 05:43 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

typical? Those 3 players are the unarguably the most popular players AS OF NOW. Barring Fantasy and Effort those 3 are the strongest in each of their respective races. What. Who are you rooting for. Rock? Have fun with that

On October 15 2009 17:03 vnlegend wrote:

Typical Bisu/Flash/JD bandwagoning fan. Must be time to jump off already huh?

On October 20 2009 22:25 okum wrote:
Bisu is still doing well in Proleague; it's just that his team is failing him. Flash has yet to play his OSL Ro36 group (and if he faces Mind, he could be in for a challenge). In fact only about half of this month's games have been played. I think it's way too early to call anything yet.

On October 20 2009 23:09 Holgerius wrote:

Dude, losing a Bo3 against Shine in OSL is inexcusable. It really doesn't matter if he wins the rest of his PL games this month, you do not deserve to be Top 3 after that. There has to be some fucking limit to the T1 bias in the PR.

On October 21 2009 01:26 Holgerius wrote:
Rofl. ''Bisu retains his spot as number 3, because we all know he would've beaten Shine if it wasn't for the current imbalance in the match up. And OSL doesn't really matter anyway''. Wouldn't suprise me a bit. When Flash gets eliminated from Starleagues it doesn't matter if he beats Effort and reaches the final in the GOM thingy, he's completely omitted from the PR anyway. I remember the month when Bisu was knocked out of both MSL and OSL after horrible performances, and he was knocked down to a 5th place. Take that, Bisu! But yeah, Proleague matters a lot. I wonder, though, why Flash hasn't been Top 3 for like 10 months despite raping everyone in PL and being tied with Jaedong for most wins?

Flash should be a hot No1 candidate unless he fucks up majorly in OSL (not even Mind should be able to take down the best vT'er ever, and Hogil... come on? :D).

On October 21 2009 01:26 Holgerius wrote:
Rofl. ''Bisu retains his spot as number 3, because we all know he would've beaten Shine if it wasn't for the current imbalance in the match up. And OSL doesn't really matter anyway''. Wouldn't suprise me a bit. When Flash gets eliminated from Starleagues it doesn't matter if he beats Effort and reaches the final in the GOM thingy, he's completely omitted from the PR anyway. I remember the month when Bisu was knocked out of both MSL and OSL after horrible performances, and he was knocked down to a 5th place. Take that, Bisu! But yeah, Proleague matters a lot. I wonder, though, why Flash hasn't been Top 3 for like 10 months despite raping everyone in PL and being tied with Jaedong for most wins?

Flash should be a hot No1 candidate unless he fucks up majorly in OSL (not even Mind should be able to take down the best vT'er ever, and Hogil... come on? :D).

On October 21 2009 02:28 AzureEye wrote:


Flash #1? As expected from T fanboy sigh...And what would make JD drop from his #1 spot? or Calm even?

On October 21 2009 02:28 AzureEye wrote:


Flash #1? As expected from T fanboy sigh...And what would make JD drop from his #1 spot? or Calm even?

On October 21 2009 04:45 Holgerius wrote:
Let's hope we get an epic Flash vs Jaedong ace game to settle it.

On October 21 2009 05:11 Orbifold wrote:


Unfortunately, I don't think KT is going to let it get that far.

On October 21 2009 05:51 Zinbiel wrote:

Backho begs to differ.

On October 21 2009 02:28 AzureEye wrote:


Flash #1? As expected from T fanboy sigh...And what would make JD drop from his #1 spot? or Calm even?

On October 21 2009 04:24 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Flash is currently the hottest player, but, and I say this as Flash's die hardiest fan, there's no specific reason to knock Jaedong off his perch right now. Hottness shouldn't trump consistency in the face of massive accomplishment unless it's shit like Effort or, well, Flash going +20-3 or so. Obviously if Jaedong slips up more in PL and Flash keeps his streak up and trashes his OSL group, Flash could be a shoe in for #1, but right now I think it's very up to interpretation.

That said, Bisu and Fantasy gonna dropppp.

On October 21 2009 07:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Which is funny because Flash is probably the only guy to win a title by beating all 3 S class players of the time. If early 08 Flash is back, then that little stat drop you just pulled is gonna be pretty off. Flash was like +75% against every S-classer back then. Let's hope he can bring it up to that level of play.

Flash vs Jaedong Ace plzzz.

On October 21 2009 07:56 nadafanboy42 wrote:

Flash has never been more the 50% against Jaedong.

On October 21 2009 07:56 nadafanboy42 wrote:

Flash has never been more the 50% against Jaedong.

On October 21 2009 08:04 TwoToneTerran wrote:


Flash was 2-0 with Jaedong before Jaedong's 3 straight wins during Gomtv MSL 4. Oh, and then Flash beat him 2-1 twice in GSI and Bacchus, meaning Flash was 6-5 with him (This is on top of being like 8-2 with Stork during that 08 period, where he was also like 6-3 with Bisu or some ridiculous number). Flash was the best player at playing other S-Classers for a solid 2 to 3 seasons. :>

Edit, excuse me, for the entirety of 08, Flash was 9-3 with Bisu. 6-3 with Stork thanks to Stork's proleague win. Now his record with Jaedong up to the end of 08 was not a winning one. As we all know, Jaedong started his massive tear near the end of 08, recently. But for the prime rape time Flash I'm talking about, he was still 6-5, 5-5 excluding their previous 07 game.

Plain and simple, Flash beat more S-classers more often than any other S-classer at his peak, and for the majority of 08 before Jaedong's prime. Hell, just this year alone, Flash is 2-2 with Jaedong, so it's not like he's incapable of taking down the #1 player of the day, currently.

On October 21 2009 08:04 TwoToneTerran wrote:


Flash was 2-0 with Jaedong before Jaedong's 3 straight wins during Gomtv MSL 4. Oh, and then Flash beat him 2-1 twice in GSI and Bacchus, meaning Flash was 6-5 with him (This is on top of being like 8-2 with Stork during that 08 period, where he was also like 6-3 with Bisu or some ridiculous number). Flash was the best player at playing other S-Classers for a solid 2 to 3 seasons. :>

Edit, excuse me, for the entirety of 08, Flash was 9-3 with Bisu. 6-3 with Stork thanks to Stork's proleague win. Now his record with Jaedong up to the end of 08 was not a winning one. As we all know, Jaedong started his massive tear near the end of 08, recently. But for the prime rape time Flash I'm talking about, he was still 6-5, 5-5 excluding their previous 07 game.

Plain and simple, Flash beat more S-classers more often than any other S-classer at his peak, and for the majority of 08 before Jaedong's prime. Hell, just this year alone, Flash is 2-2 with Jaedong, so it's not like he's incapable of taking down the #1 player of the day, currently.

editedit/pps: And he did it on shitty maps, too! Fuck off, Katrina. >:[

On October 21 2009 08:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Dude he said he's NEVER been over 50% with Jaedong, and it's not true. He's been 2-0, 2-1, and 6-5 with Jaedong if you want to get really technical.

Also good job including allstars games and show matches in the Flash vs Bisu stats.

On October 21 2009 08:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yes, so for future reference don't include showmatches/allstars/things that don't matter. But the point is, I was talking about 08 Flash and he was talking about all time flash (saying he was NEVER ahead in games against Jaedong), and for some reason you pick out Flash's worst era to rub in my face.

On October 21 2009 13:52 Holgerius wrote:
Jaedong vs Flash would be the best OSL finals ever. I would give my left penis to see that happen instead of some bloody ZvZ...

On October 21 2009 14:17 qrs wrote:

erm...how many do you have?

On October 21 2009 07:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Which is funny because Flash is probably the only guy to win a title by beating all 3 S class players of the time. If early 08 Flash is back, then that little stat drop you just pulled is gonna be pretty off. Flash was like +75% against every S-classer back then. Let's hope he can bring it up to that level of play.

Flash vs Jaedong Ace plzzz.

On October 22 2009 04:42 SuperArc wrote:


Jaedong's MSL run?

On October 22 2009 04:42 SuperArc wrote:


Jaedong's MSL run?

On October 22 2009 05:34 Holgerius wrote:

Not nearly as impressive opposition. Flash had the hardest Starleague run in the history of SC, IMO.

On October 22 2009 11:23 TarsTarkas wrote:


I think that Mind's MSL run deserves mention here - people (including me) voted against Mind every step of the way, thinking he couldn't possibly win. Then he dominated.

On October 22 2009 13:54 Holgerius wrote:

Still; Flash had to play the absolute top three best players of the post Savior era.

On October 22 2009 05:34 Holgerius wrote:

Not nearly as impressive opposition. Flash had the hardest Starleague run in the history of SC, IMO.

On October 22 2009 18:24 raga4ka wrote:


July Bisu Yarnc in groups of MSL , Then Bo3 vs Luxury who was on fire at that time , Then Bo 5 vs Flash and Bo5 vs Mind and finals vs Kal Jaedong wasn't 1 game close to elimination he beat all 3 - 1 .

On October 22 2009 18:33 Holgerius wrote:

Not denying that it was tough; those are some quite excellent opponents (Flash!). But dude; Jaedong, Bisu, Stork.

On October 23 2009 21:42 4Servy wrote:
Flash's bachus osl is highly overrated other then the big names he beat.

Bo3 vs jeadong, he won with 1 all in and a new mech build, in straight up play he got stomped.
Bo 5 vs hard slumping and injured bisu.
Final vs stork lol. Stork sux at finals if it had been semi's are quaters it would have been gg flash.

On October 23 2009 22:12 4Servy wrote:
Go watch the games and situation back then instead of flaming arround without knowing anything.
People on this site look at results waaaaaay to much instead of the actual games and see what happened.
Yes the run was impressive, but overrated by many ive been following SC pro gaming for long and there have been many many harder SL runs were people didnt choke or made bad decisions but just brining the best of their game to a serrie.

And yes in pure standard macro games flash is a huge underdog vs jeadong.

On October 23 2009 23:15 Orbifold wrote:
People love to hate on Flash for some reason. My feeling about this is that Flash has the current highest elo and an over 68% win rate... so kiss my ass and kiss Flash's ass.

On October 24 2009 00:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man I'm the biggest Flash fanboy not named MrHoon or Scaramanga and I still like Bisu and Jaedong. =(

On October 24 2009 00:45 TwoToneTerran wrote:
SUP.

I mean you have a Khan emblem what the hell man. I've been vindicated by MrHoon and Scara!

On October 24 2009 03:44 okum wrote:
Holgerius, how can you ever have liked Leta more than Flash, though?

On October 23 2009 23:38 Holgerius wrote:
Let us rejoice about the fact that the hate most likely stems from the same reason that I hate Bisu; I am a fanboy of another player and feel threatened and jealous because he's so fucking good.

On October 24 2009 03:51 Holgerius wrote:

Do you have any evidence to prove that that I did? Because if you don't, I'm just gonna deny that until the day I die.

On October 24 2009 04:14 okum wrote:

It was several months ago. I said that Flash was the best player and you said you'd taken notice of this fancy new Leta guy who you thought were even better.

Evidence or not, I'm the senior Flash fan among the two of us, and that automatically makes me right.

On October 24 2009 03:58 Hinanawi wrote:


It's weird how these things work. I dislike Bisu and Fantasy (and maybe Calm this season, we'll see) for the same reason: they're threats to Flash and Jaedong, who are my favorite S-class players. I fully acknowledge that Bisu and Fantasy are extremely skilled, that's WHY they get my hate, because I'm always afraid they're going to beat a player I like. So in a way, it's a bit of a compliment to have people vehemently slam your favorite player, it means they're afraid of him.

Between Flash and Jaedong, I liked Jaedong more back when Zerg was doing terrible, because he showed me games I barely ever got to see (dominating other races with great Zerg play). Now that Zergs in general are doing so well, I've gotten pretty tired of seeing it, and suddenly Flash's amazing bionic TvZ is a breath of fresh air from all the mech TvZ these days, and I like watching him play more than Jaedong.

For whatever reason, even though Protoss is doing poorly, that same sympathy for the underdog race doesn't extend to them. I still dislike Bisu, and most Protoss players in general. I like Stork though, because he kicks Fantasy's ass but it doesn't feel like he's a threat to Flash or JD, haha.

Fanboyism is a strange thing.

On October 24 2009 02:04 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's why most true hardcore Jaedong fans have an Oz tag, man!

To be fair, though, I've been pro-KT/F since I knew about KT/F. If Nal_Ra still played he'd probably still be my favorite. :>

On October 24 2009 00:19 Holgerius wrote:

Are you sure that you are a bigger Flash fanboy than I am? Because I'm pretty confident in my amazingly fanatic fanboyism. So either you retract that statement, or we'll have to find a way to settle this.

I love Jaedong, btw.

On October 24 2009 11:17 FireGuyX wrote:
As of now Stork, Movie, Calm, Flash, Kwanro, Jaedong, and Type-B are definitely in the top 10. Although that might change in end of this month. And I wouldn't hesitate to put Luxury in the top 10 depending if he gets past either the MSL Ro36 or OSL Ro16.

On October 24 2009 12:48 tree.hugger wrote:


I really can't tell if you're serious.

On October 24 2009 00:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man I'm the biggest Flash fanboy not named MrHoon or Scaramanga and I still like Bisu and Jaedong. =(

On October 24 2009 17:41 Dice wrote:

It's all good. I'm a huge Jaedong fan but I also love Flash. Flash will always be #2 in my book. I just can't like Bisu for some reason though. I mean, don't get me wrong though. I do admire and respect his play. He's very good but I just can't stand his personality and looks.

On October 24 2009 20:56 samachking wrote:
Shine is getting a spot for sure
12-1 in offlines
2-1ing Bisu and making it into OSL
2-1 Really
2-1 his MSL group with really strong play vs Violet/Skyhigh
+ a modest 2-0 record in PL
Worth a 8-10 spot, and more if the writer feels generous

On October 24 2009 17:00 FireGuyX wrote:



Of course I'm serious, but than again I'm no expert on this thing.

On October 24 2009 23:36 tree.hugger wrote:
Tonight might will be huge.

On October 24 2009 23:36 tree.hugger wrote:


Kwanro? Type-b? These two have played terribly this month.
And Stork's wins are against Nbs, forGG and ggaemo.

Flash, Jaedong, EffOrt, Calm, Bisu, fantasy, Luxury, Pusan, Shine, Movie imo, (at this point). Tonight might be huge.

On October 25 2009 02:56 SuperArc wrote:


fantasy on the PR? Only if he wins all of his PL games next week

On October 25 2009 04:33 Hinanawi wrote:


Let's not pull a JWD here, Fantasy lost some games but he still looks strong. The Fantasy v. Stork match was more of a credit to Stork than a mark against Fantasy. He'll probably drop a few spots, but off the PR entirely would be silly.

On October 25 2009 10:16 TwoToneTerran wrote:
If fantasy loses versus Lomo tonight, then I think it would be justified considering his mediocre performance elsewhere.

On October 26 2009 02:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Too many of Flash's games have gone over the 20 minutes marks, that shows a decline in skill imo.

On October 26 2009 04:28 fanatacist wrote:

The only problem is that PR is not just a measure of win/loss statistics. Bisu and Jaedong are still better players than Movie and Shine on the grand scale. Of course every person's PR is different, but I believe it was Manifesto that said that PR to him is "which player would you least want to face in a series." I doubt anyone would pick Bisu or Jaedong over Shine or Movie if they had a choice of who to play (with the intention to win). Also, butthurt cries about how your player got penalized at some point in time are rarely a justification for any changes in PR.

On October 26 2009 05:04 fanatacist wrote:

It isn't either aspect individually. It hasn't been a problem in the past (in terms of people holding permanent positions), but punishment handed out based on a short list of games that we have now to the point of making Bisu or Jaedong below Shine is also a problem. Shine has a good record and is in both leagues, yes that's admirable, but that's not a reason to dump both Bisu and Jaedong who are also still in leagues and have winning records as well.

What I meant about the being butthurt and comparing things to Flash is that you fail to assess the climate of the scene back when Flash got punished for his losses and the difference between that and the climate now. Just because Flash fell from 5th place to no place for something at some point doesn't mean that ratio of losses:places lost will carry through to 1. other players 2. other conditions 3. other times.

On October 26 2009 05:20 fanatacist wrote:

Obviously. It's the founding rule on which PR is based, amirite?

-_-;

On October 26 2009 05:04 fanatacist wrote:

It isn't either aspect individually. It hasn't been a problem in the past (in terms of people holding permanent positions), but punishment handed out based on a short list of games that we have now to the point of making Bisu or Jaedong below Shine is also a problem. Shine has a good record and is in both leagues, yes that's admirable, but that's not a reason to dump both Bisu and Jaedong who are also still in leagues and have winning records as well.

What I meant about the being butthurt and comparing things to Flash is that you fail to assess the climate of the scene back when Flash got punished for his losses and the difference between that and the climate now. Just because Flash fell from 5th place to no place for something at some point doesn't mean that ratio of losses : places lost will carry through to 1. other players 2. other conditions 3. other times.

On October 26 2009 05:57 Holgerius wrote:

What I fail to do is realizing what was so immensly different about the climate of the scene like 3 months back compared to now that Flash would drop 5 spots to players he's better than and the same thing mustn't be done to Bisu now. Enlighten me. I feel that either an injustice was done to Flash, or Bisu should drop more than 2 spots.

On October 26 2009 06:40 Holgerius wrote:
I am saying that if Flash lost 5 spots for that, then Bisu and Fantasy should lose more than 2 spots for this month. If they don't, Flash was treated unjustly. But yeah, it's a new PR writer and all, that's true. But if he's going to use this way of looking at things (keeping Bisu and Fantasy very high), which I wouldn't entirely disagree with, then I want the same treatment for Flash and others in the future.

On October 26 2009 06:46 fanatacist wrote:
What's different about the climate? Everything? The stage of the leagues we are in, the map pool, new team dynamics and players...

On October 26 2009 06:46 fanatacist wrote:
What's different about the climate? Everything? The stage of the leagues we are in, the map pool, new team dynamics and players...

On October 26 2009 06:57 calvinL wrote:


Even as a butthurt Flash fan, it makes no sense to follow flawed reasoning from another PR/PR writer. If we're doing that then it means we acknowledge that Flash was definitely out of the top 10 in August, which he wasn't.

On October 26 2009 07:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Don't worry, guys, we've got a classic Flash situation. He has PL duties, playing potentially the two strongest players on Oz (Hiya regular and Jaedong ace) and then he has to play his OSL qualifier in the same day against Mind/Hogil, who will capitalize on an overworked underappreciated little terran. Then TL can happily shout that Flash is terrible and dropped OSL early!

No need to be considering making him #1 on the PR again!

On October 26 2009 07:23 Holgerius wrote:
I think it's worrying as hell that KT is sending him out for PL the same fucking day as OSL. They don't seem to learn from their mistakes, do they?

On October 26 2009 07:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Don't worry, guys, we've got a classic Flash situation. He has PL duties, playing potentially the two strongest players on Oz (Hiya regular and Jaedong ace) and then he has to play his OSL qualifier in the same day against Mind/Hogil, who will capitalize on an overworked underappreciated little terran. Then TL can happily shout that Flash is terrible and dropped OSL early!

No need to be considering making him #1 on the PR again!

On October 26 2009 07:57 fanatacist wrote:

I don't remember the conditions for Flash dropping places, and I never said it was justified or not. I said that using it as a reason to drop Bisu and fantasy is stupid.

TwoToneTerran I think I used the word appropriately and maintained a decent discussion kthnxbai

On October 26 2009 07:57 fanatacist wrote:

I don't remember the conditions for Flash dropping places, and I never said it was justified or not. I said that using it as a reason to drop Bisu and fantasy is stupid.

TwoToneTerran I think I used the word appropriately and maintained a decent discussion kthnxbai

On October 26 2009 06:58 Orbifold wrote:


You mean because Fantasy and Bisu dropped leagues earlier than Flash?

On October 26 2009 08:01 Lebesgue wrote:


Obvioulsy even if he pulls that out and wins all the games on Tuesday it will be just because he faced weak opponents. Obvioulsy none of them is a S-class player and that's why he can't be in top3.

On October 26 2009 10:15 tree.hugger wrote:


I cannot tell you how many times people have posted this exact same thing over three months. Apparently it get's clever-er every time it's reposted.

Not only has Flash played the best starcraft of this month, (and should claim the #1 slot provided he doesn't lose in spectacular fashion later this week) but his fanbase has reached new heights of an inferiority complex. How on earth did this discussion- which should've been about the sick starcraft Flash has been playing this month, the TvZ revolution that Flash is single-handedy leading back to MnM, and the resurgence of KT- come to non-stop griping about a power rank from August?

I mean seriously, your player is playing fantastic, every one agrees that he's sitting at #1 right now, and all anybody can do is whine. So annoying...

On October 26 2009 10:15 tree.hugger wrote:


I cannot tell you how many times people have posted this exact same thing over three months. Apparently it get's clever-er every time it's reposted.

Not only has Flash played the best starcraft of this month, (and should claim the #1 slot provided he doesn't lose in spectacular fashion later this week) but his fanbase has reached new heights of an inferiority complex. How on earth did this discussion- which should've been about the sick starcraft Flash has been playing this month, the TvZ revolution that Flash is single-handedy leading back to MnM, and the resurgence of KT- come to non-stop griping about a power rank from August?

I mean seriously, your player is playing fantastic, every one agrees that he's sitting at #1 right now, and all anybody can do is whine. So annoying...

On October 26 2009 10:15 tree.hugger wrote:


I cannot tell you how many times people have posted this exact same thing over three months. Apparently it get's clever-er every time it's reposted.

Not only has Flash played the best starcraft of this month, (and should claim the #1 slot provided he doesn't lose in spectacular fashion later this week) but his fanbase has reached new heights of an inferiority complex. How on earth did this discussion- which should've been about the sick starcraft Flash has been playing this month, the TvZ revolution that Flash is single-handedy leading back to MnM, and the resurgence of KT- come to non-stop griping about a power rank from August?

I mean seriously, your player is playing fantastic, every one agrees that he's sitting at #1 right now, and all anybody can do is whine. So annoying...

On October 26 2009 10:15 tree.hugger wrote:


I cannot tell you how many times people have posted this exact same thing over three months. Apparently it get's clever-er every time it's reposted.

Not only has Flash played the best starcraft of this month, (and should claim the #1 slot provided he doesn't lose in spectacular fashion later this week) but his fanbase has reached new heights of an inferiority complex. How on earth did this discussion- which should've been about the sick starcraft Flash has been playing this month, the TvZ revolution that Flash is single-handedy leading back to MnM, and the resurgence of KT- come to non-stop griping about a power rank from August?

I mean seriously, your player is playing fantastic, every one agrees that he's sitting at #1 right now, and all anybody can do is whine. So annoying...

On October 26 2009 10:38 fanatacist wrote:
Everyone who is hating directly on JWD for making what has always been a relatively subjective ranking FOR THE COMMUNITY needs to re-think their priorities. If you disagree with him that's fine, but he did work for TeamLiquid, what have you done? Any disrespect to him because of his OPINIONS is 1. bigotry 2. blasphemy 3. shameful 4. immature.