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Wow, this month has some tough calls. It's always difficult when new people are coming up and outperform the old champs --- hard to weigh recent performance against raw skill and experience.
1. Flash 2. Calm 3. Effort 4. Bisu 5. Stork (always manages to be in both leagues --- so consistent!) 6. Jaedong (he's ahead of almost everyone in terms of skill, but just didn't really deliver this month.) 7. Hyuk 8. Lux (he may be spotty, but he's been hot as hell in proleague.) 9. Shine 9 1/2. Movie 10. Fanta
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The PR is going to look like this:
1- Flash 2- Calm 3- Bisu 4- Jaedong 5- Effort 6- Hyuk 7- Stork 8- Fantasy 9- Luxury 10- Shine
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Shine should be above Luxury, even if Luxury qualifies to the OSL (Easy OSL group, but he lost to Guemchi to drop MSL. Shine played very well against a very strong set of groups in both tournaments).
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On October 31 2009 01:32 ThePhan2m wrote: Movie should get a spot defo, shine[kal] not, cuz he is a cheesy bastard Guardians?
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I'd say...
+ Show Spoiler +1. Flash - There's been enough pages going over this, but Flash's month has been so remarkable, it's worth going over one last time. 9-0. NINE AND OH. Against good opponents, bad opponents, alike, Flash has absolutely dominated. But beyond that, Flash has become the TvZ monster he was before his troubles in the fall. We are seeing essentially a TvZ counter revolution from Flash, as he's been abusing zergs with oddball timings, dropships, and superb bio control. He looks unbeatable right now. 2. EffOrt - I went over my thoughts on this a few pages ago, but EffOrt's play this month has been sublime, with only one obvious hitch. Most impressive from EffOrt has been the flair with which he dismantled Luxury and YellOw[ArnC]. In fact, all of his games have been noteworthy games. If you watch one game from this last week, let it be the one against Lux. The messiahlisk looks in stunning form. 3. Calm - I think EffOrt has played better than Calm this month, but Calm was ranked higher last month, so would it be fair to drop him? I think so. Calm has padded his record against a series of new players, and (of course) BackHo. This doesn't count against him, per se, but Calm has also lost in an ACE match to Roro, a mediocre zerg who has no business even being in an ace match. Calm's play was sloppy (it's been sloppy in a few of his wins too), and he has no litany of impressive victories over the last month (save perhaps, Movie) to back up this loss. 4. Bisu - Apparently Bisu has good PvP, no? After two regrettable losses this month to Shine, Bisu's recent spate of PvP's against mediocre protosses appears to be just what the doctor ordered. What's impressive about Bisu is how intelligently he cheeses, it's always meticulously planned and executed. Bisu's opponent list hasn't been too impressive either, but he's looked impressive as hell in demolishing his opponents. 5. Jaedong - It's time to talk about Jaedong's S-Class ZvZ. And by "S" I mean... s... slu...sluh.... slummmp! The knives are out already for the player who looked invincible just a month ago. It's too early, I think, but it's only Jaedong's pedigree that keeps him at #5 after a 3-3 month. You have to think he'll recover. It's also the fact that Killer is so goddamn bad, and it's the mere sight of Killer gg'ing that reminds us all not to take Jaedong for granted. 6. Stork - Stork has been fairly surprising this month. It's hard to know what to make of him. His proleague appearances have been infrequent, and he's only had to tackle confirmed scrub ggaemo in the OSL qualifiers. But he's also dispatched his opponents with ease, and his PvZ has looked pretty solid. 7. fantasy - There are a lot of deserving players who could take the 7th spot. But it's hard to drop fantasy any further. He's 4-3 this month, and was upset by several surprising faces. But he's also looked quite powerful in proleague, and was denied two chances to prove himself this last week in TvT. That doesn't go in his favor, but neither should it hurt him too much. 8. Hyuk - Fuck you Hyuk. Thank god we can all point to your atrocious ZvT as proof that you belong no higher than 8. 9. Shine[KaL] - I know that Shine is a terrible player. We all do. It's just that at the moment, we can't prove it. 10. Pusan and RuBy - In the closing days of last month, and into this one, Pusan went 15-0 against a set of total scrubs. This month, he's gone 9-3 against a series of very solid players. Granted, he's played almost no PvZ, but who cares? Pusan's played better players than Calm, and he's done just about the same against them! And how great is it to see RuBy going 6-3 this month, with clutch wins against some very solid players. I mean, it's impossible to pick between these two players. Better just kick Shine out.
CNBC + Show Spoiler +
NCNC + Show Spoiler +
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what the friggin hell, OZ coach sending killer all the time. i get that JD needs time, surgery, contract issues, parents and other stuff, but this is starting to be ridiculous.
On October 31 2009 15:45 tree.hugger wrote:I'd say... + Show Spoiler +1. Flash - There's been enough pages going over this, but Flash's month has been so remarkable, it's worth going over one last time. 9-0. NINE AND OH. Against good opponents, bad opponents, alike, Flash has absolutely dominated. But beyond that, Flash has become the TvZ monster he was before his troubles in the fall. We are seeing essentially a TvZ counter revolution from Flash, as he's been abusing zergs with oddball timings, dropships, and superb bio control. He looks unbeatable right now. 2. EffOrt - I went over my thoughts on this a few pages ago, but EffOrt's play this month has been sublime, with only one obvious hitch. Most impressive from EffOrt has been the flair with which he dismantled Luxury and YellOw[ArnC]. In fact, all of his games have been noteworthy games. If you watch one game from this last week, let it be the one against Lux. The messiahlisk looks in stunning form. 3. Calm - I think EffOrt has played better than Calm this month, but Calm was ranked higher last month, so would it be fair to drop him? I think so. Calm has padded his record against a series of new players, and (of course) BackHo. This doesn't count against him, per se, but Calm has also lost in an ACE match to Roro, a mediocre zerg who has no business even being in an ace match. Calm's play was sloppy (it's been sloppy in a few of his wins too), and he has no litany of impressive victories over the last month (save perhaps, Movie) to back up this loss. 4. Bisu - Apparently Bisu has good PvP, no? After two regrettable losses this month to Shine, Bisu's recent spate of PvP's against mediocre protosses appears to be just what the doctor ordered. What's impressive about Bisu is how intelligently he cheeses, it's always meticulously planned and executed. Bisu's opponent list hasn't been too impressive either, but he's looked impressive as hell in demolishing his opponents. 5. Jaedong - It's time to talk about Jaedong's S-Class ZvZ. And by "S" I mean... s... slu...sluh.... slummmp! The knives are out already for the player who looked invincible just a month ago. It's too early, I think, but it's only Jaedong's pedigree that keeps him at #5 after a 3-3 month. You have to think he'll recover. It's also the fact that Killer is so goddamn bad, and it's the mere sight of Killer gg'ing that reminds us all not to take Jaedong for granted. 6. Stork - Stork has been fairly surprising this month. It's hard to know what to make of him. His proleague appearances have been infrequent, and he's only had to tackle confirmed scrub ggaemo in the OSL qualifiers. But he's also dispatched his opponents with ease, and his PvZ has looked pretty solid. 7. fantasy - There are a lot of deserving players who could take the 7th spot. But it's hard to drop fantasy any further. He's 4-3 this month, and was upset by several surprising faces. But he's also looked quite powerful in proleague, and was denied two chances to prove himself this last week in TvT. That doesn't go in his favor, but neither should it hurt him too much. 8. Hyuk - Fuck you Hyuk. Thank god we can all point to your atrocious ZvT as proof that you belong no higher than 8. 9. Shine[KaL] - I know that Shine is a terrible player. We all do. It's just that at the moment, we can't prove it. 10. Pusan and RuBy - In the closing days of last month, and into this one, Pusan went 15-0 against a set of total scrubs. This month, he's gone 9-3 against a series of very solid players. Granted, he's played almost no PvZ, but who cares? Pusan's played better players than Calm, and he's done just about the same against them! And how great is it to see RuBy going 6-3 this month, with clutch wins against some very solid players. I mean, it's impossible to pick between these two players. Better just kick Shine out. CNBC + Show Spoiler +NCNC + Show Spoiler +
I like your 8th argument btw :D
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On October 31 2009 15:45 tree.hugger wrote:I'd say... + Show Spoiler +1. Flash - There's been enough pages going over this, but Flash's month has been so remarkable, it's worth going over one last time. 9-0. NINE AND OH. Against good opponents, bad opponents, alike, Flash has absolutely dominated. But beyond that, Flash has become the TvZ monster he was before his troubles in the fall. We are seeing essentially a TvZ counter revolution from Flash, as he's been abusing zergs with oddball timings, dropships, and superb bio control. He looks unbeatable right now. 2. EffOrt - I went over my thoughts on this a few pages ago, but EffOrt's play this month has been sublime, with only one obvious hitch. Most impressive from EffOrt has been the flair with which he dismantled Luxury and YellOw[ArnC]. In fact, all of his games have been noteworthy games. If you watch one game from this last week, let it be the one against Lux. The messiahlisk looks in stunning form. 3. Calm - I think EffOrt has played better than Calm this month, but Calm was ranked higher last month, so would it be fair to drop him? I think so. Calm has padded his record against a series of new players, and (of course) BackHo. This doesn't count against him, per se, but Calm has also lost in an ACE match to Roro, a mediocre zerg who has no business even being in an ace match. Calm's play was sloppy (it's been sloppy in a few of his wins too), and he has no litany of impressive victories over the last month (save perhaps, Movie) to back up this loss. 4. Bisu - Apparently Bisu has good PvP, no? After two regrettable losses this month to Shine, Bisu's recent spate of PvP's against mediocre protosses appears to be just what the doctor ordered. What's impressive about Bisu is how intelligently he cheeses, it's always meticulously planned and executed. Bisu's opponent list hasn't been too impressive either, but he's looked impressive as hell in demolishing his opponents. 5. Jaedong - It's time to talk about Jaedong's S-Class ZvZ. And by "S" I mean... s... slu...sluh.... slummmp! The knives are out already for the player who looked invincible just a month ago. It's too early, I think, but it's only Jaedong's pedigree that keeps him at #5 after a 3-3 month. You have to think he'll recover. It's also the fact that Killer is so goddamn bad, and it's the mere sight of Killer gg'ing that reminds us all not to take Jaedong for granted. 6. Stork - Stork has been fairly surprising this month. It's hard to know what to make of him. His proleague appearances have been infrequent, and he's only had to tackle confirmed scrub ggaemo in the OSL qualifiers. But he's also dispatched his opponents with ease, and his PvZ has looked pretty solid. 7. fantasy - There are a lot of deserving players who could take the 7th spot. But it's hard to drop fantasy any further. He's 4-3 this month, and was upset by several surprising faces. But he's also looked quite powerful in proleague, and was denied two chances to prove himself this last week in TvT. That doesn't go in his favor, but neither should it hurt him too much. 8. Hyuk - Fuck you Hyuk. Thank god we can all point to your atrocious ZvT as proof that you belong no higher than 8. 9. Shine[KaL] - I know that Shine is a terrible player. We all do. It's just that at the moment, we can't prove it. 10. Pusan and RuBy - In the closing days of last month, and into this one, Pusan went 15-0 against a set of total scrubs. This month, he's gone 9-3 against a series of very solid players. Granted, he's played almost no PvZ, but who cares? Pusan's played better players than Calm, and he's done just about the same against them! And how great is it to see RuBy going 6-3 this month, with clutch wins against some very solid players. I mean, it's impossible to pick between these two players. Better just kick Shine out. CNBC + Show Spoiler +NCNC + Show Spoiler + I think your explanation for Hyuk has cast a shadow in respect to the objective value of your determination of Effort's spot.
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On October 31 2009 00:13 ]343[ wrote: 1. flash 2. calm 3. effort 4. jaedong 5. stork [both leagues!] 6. luxury 7. bisu 8. fantasy 9. hyuk 10. shine[kal]
or maybe movie at 9 or 10 I like your rankings of players except Luxury doesn't belong there ....
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Finland1714 Posts
the next ranking must be very hard to do now, so many players doing well in PL and failing in individual leagues and vice versa, of course there are some who are doing well in both, Flash especially should be undeniably #1!
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On October 31 2009 17:37 fanatacist wrote:
I think your explanation for Hyuk has cast a shadow in respect to the objective value of your determination of Effort's spot.
You might be right. But Hyuk's another one of those players- he's definately better than Shine, and he's had a lot of potential for a while now, but it's always annoying when a player comes in and does unexpectedly well, and then has 25% ZvT...
The win against Jaedong is in there too, though. That was also really disappointing.
I still defend my placement.
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On November 01 2009 01:47 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2009 17:37 fanatacist wrote:
I think your explanation for Hyuk has cast a shadow in respect to the objective value of your determination of Effort's spot.
You might be right. But Hyuk's another one of those players- he's definately better than Shine, and he's had a lot of potential for a while now, but it's always annoying when a player comes in and does unexpectedly well, and then has 25% ZvT... The win against Jaedong is in there too, though. That was also really disappointing. I still defend my placement. I'm not saying Hyuk should be higher, riding 1 MU is not worthy of a high rank even if you beat the top 2 players in that MU. I'm saying Effort did not do enough to be that high. Calm should be above Effort, at the least.
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Where is it? I moved to Kiritimati just to make the month turn faster for the Power Rank. It's almost 10 hours into November now. I can't wait any longer!
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I wonder if we should count IEF in this PR. :p
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United States11390 Posts
On November 01 2009 05:02 TwoToneTerran wrote: I wonder if we should count IEF in this PR. :p People used it before to justify Bisu #1 last year. -_-
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On November 01 2009 05:09 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2009 05:02 TwoToneTerran wrote: I wonder if we should count IEF in this PR. :p People used it before to justify Bisu #1 last year. -_- As if there needs to be any sort of justification for such an assertion.
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flash calm stork effort jaedong bisu fantasy hyuk
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On November 01 2009 05:09 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2009 05:02 TwoToneTerran wrote: I wonder if we should count IEF in this PR. :p People used it before to justify Bisu #1 last year. -_-
PJ and White - Ra for PR then .
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On November 01 2009 08:12 traced wrote: flash calm stork effort jaedong bisu fantasy hyuk
??? More anti-SKT please
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Flash Flash Flash Flash Flash Flash Flash Flash Flash GosI[flying], but only if he wears a Flash masks.
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