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On September 11 2024 01:31 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2024 01:01 Balnazza wrote:On September 10 2024 13:56 CicadaSC wrote:On September 10 2024 08:56 vult wrote:
Its kinda crazy that we had to wait like a decade for foreign terrans to be good and now clem and oliviera are like top 4 foreigners with huge tourney wins
also that ESL tweet kinda scares me, it's super open ended.... Well yeah, how many Korean Terrans playing 10 years ago still play? How many Korean Terran new blood is there? How many Koreans still practice 12 hours a day? Of course foreigners are going to catch up. Look at another esport for example, League of Legends is the main game in Korea now, what broodwar and SC2 (briefly) used to be. How many foreigns players from NA/EU are on the level of Koreans? Barely any. Chinese can sometimes compete but Korea still largely dominates. Now let's look at how the broodwar skill hierarchy used to go 15 years ago? Korean > Chinese > Western (with some exceptions ofc). This trend is still true in league of legends as well. Korea work culture, infrastructure and talent just supercedes anything the west can produce. Read boxers book. He hated practice. He practiced until his body literally couldn't take anymore. He credits his tenacity to why he was able to become the Emperor. Imagine someone being excited that finally foreign terrans are top-tier again, with the last one on Tournament winning level being probably Liquid|Bunny or something like that, and your reaction is an unprompted "hurrdurr korea best"-rant. ...awkward... uThermal was the last right? Before Clem ascended/Oliveira’s miracle run It’s weird to think that both Heromarine and Special have played so long, are clearly good players to make Ro4s at WCs and I don’t think either of them has won a Premier event
Right, uThermal won a Premier event...though I can't remember which one. Special atleast reached the finals ones, but Heromarine actually never played in a Premier event final, which is still crazy to me.
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Can we hope for the replays of this tournament ? 
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On September 11 2024 01:31 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2024 01:01 Balnazza wrote:On September 10 2024 13:56 CicadaSC wrote:On September 10 2024 08:56 vult wrote:
Its kinda crazy that we had to wait like a decade for foreign terrans to be good and now clem and oliviera are like top 4 foreigners with huge tourney wins
also that ESL tweet kinda scares me, it's super open ended.... Well yeah, how many Korean Terrans playing 10 years ago still play? How many Korean Terran new blood is there? How many Koreans still practice 12 hours a day? Of course foreigners are going to catch up. Look at another esport for example, League of Legends is the main game in Korea now, what broodwar and SC2 (briefly) used to be. How many foreigns players from NA/EU are on the level of Koreans? Barely any. Chinese can sometimes compete but Korea still largely dominates. Now let's look at how the broodwar skill hierarchy used to go 15 years ago? Korean > Chinese > Western (with some exceptions ofc). This trend is still true in league of legends as well. Korea work culture, infrastructure and talent just supercedes anything the west can produce. Read boxers book. He hated practice. He practiced until his body literally couldn't take anymore. He credits his tenacity to why he was able to become the Emperor. Imagine someone being excited that finally foreign terrans are top-tier again, with the last one on Tournament winning level being probably Liquid|Bunny or something like that, and your reaction is an unprompted "hurrdurr korea best"-rant. ...awkward... uThermal was the last right? Before Clem ascended/Oliveira’s miracle run It’s weird to think that both Heromarine and Special have played so long, are clearly good players to make Ro4s at WCs and I don’t think either of them has won a Premier event
I think foreigner terran has never been as well-rounded before Clem/Oliveira. Aside from uThermal, it was basically just Thorzain who's won a competitive Premier tournament aside from the early chaotic meta of the 1st year of WoL.
The funny thing is that Clem and Oliveira both have played since ~2013, so despite them being the "new" generation of top tier terrans, it's taken really them a decade to perfect their play.
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On September 11 2024 02:59 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2024 01:31 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2024 01:01 Balnazza wrote:On September 10 2024 13:56 CicadaSC wrote:On September 10 2024 08:56 vult wrote:
Its kinda crazy that we had to wait like a decade for foreign terrans to be good and now clem and oliviera are like top 4 foreigners with huge tourney wins
also that ESL tweet kinda scares me, it's super open ended.... Well yeah, how many Korean Terrans playing 10 years ago still play? How many Korean Terran new blood is there? How many Koreans still practice 12 hours a day? Of course foreigners are going to catch up. Look at another esport for example, League of Legends is the main game in Korea now, what broodwar and SC2 (briefly) used to be. How many foreigns players from NA/EU are on the level of Koreans? Barely any. Chinese can sometimes compete but Korea still largely dominates. Now let's look at how the broodwar skill hierarchy used to go 15 years ago? Korean > Chinese > Western (with some exceptions ofc). This trend is still true in league of legends as well. Korea work culture, infrastructure and talent just supercedes anything the west can produce. Read boxers book. He hated practice. He practiced until his body literally couldn't take anymore. He credits his tenacity to why he was able to become the Emperor. Imagine someone being excited that finally foreign terrans are top-tier again, with the last one on Tournament winning level being probably Liquid|Bunny or something like that, and your reaction is an unprompted "hurrdurr korea best"-rant. ...awkward... uThermal was the last right? Before Clem ascended/Oliveira’s miracle run It’s weird to think that both Heromarine and Special have played so long, are clearly good players to make Ro4s at WCs and I don’t think either of them has won a Premier event I think foreigner terran has never been as well-rounded before Clem/Oliveira. Aside from uThermal, it was basically just Thorzain who's won a competitive Premier tournament aside from the early chaotic meta of the 1st year of WoL. The funny thing is that Clem and Oliveira both have played since ~2013, so despite them being the "new" generation of top tier terrans, it's taken really them a decade to perfect their play.
brief side mention/reminder of QXC teamkilling IM
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great event! Great games. Interesting seeing the champ get rocked.
IMO, Bellum Gens put on a great show.
https://bellumgens.com/en/
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After this tournament, 7+? pints of beer, and few recaps can finally saw that The Korean Hegemony was come to the end.
No more Korean elitists' whines and excuses, no more structural scene-induced plus-perks, no more tradition driven narrative against foreigners. Finally free! (only expecting Serral-funded aftermath). 
StarCraft II is finally Free. It's Free! Damn! F*@£#ng free, free from Korean LOAD! We will forever *asturbate with it's afterglow, but when results matter, we can take it is. 
DEAD!
Thanks Clem! 
www.youtube.com
(added some smilies so Wax & all. won't be so harsh with their jurisdictions. Anyhow, It's dead, and only Foreigners can keep it alive, clarifying my point).
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yeah!
User was temp banned for this post.
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Celebrating the fact that Korea isn't producing any new talent is a strange thing to do.
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On September 11 2024 22:22 MJG wrote:
Celebrating the fact that Korea isn't producing any new talent is a strange thing to do.
Yes! Finally! A New, skill based hegemony can dance on some graves! On their own ground! It is all good!
There are no disagreements. 
Defenseless Korean hegemony shall and earn to DIE! It is best scenario for the game. That it took so long to do, is the ODE for the hegemony. About a half of the life-span of the game against the wall.
When it goes down, how we could'n be happy! And It was Clem! The man of smile and good wibes!
I mean, you know, obviously, IT CANNOT BE a foreigner's fault if a Korean loses a game or a tournament.
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Northern Ireland22264 Posts
On September 11 2024 22:22 MJG wrote:
Celebrating the fact that Korea isn't producing any new talent is a strange thing to do.
I mean so is saying the contemporary game is worthless because Kespa isn’t an ongoing concern but people don’t cop bans for that
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If the games are interesting.. does it matter the nationality of the players?
The games were good and the presentation was different and fascinating. The band that played during the break before the finals was solid.
I hope the event promoters can raise enough cash for another SC2 tourney.
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Russian Federation370 Posts
I'm surprised to see this on headlines, while nothing was posted regarding his EWC win. I'm genuinely confused.
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On September 11 2024 22:22 MJG wrote:
Celebrating the fact that Korea isn't producing any new talent is a strange thing to do.
It's honestly sad, they made the game exciting once.
Like, can you imagine no Korean player ever existed for BW/SC2.
But then again, it doesn't matter where great players came from, we just need constant, new injection of great players. Now the top Korean players average ~30 y.o. One of the main reasons that the competitions are just not as exciting anymore. Was hoping Europe will carry the slack, but there seems to be just 3 players - Clem (congrats again, very excited for this young player), Serral, and Reynor.
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On September 12 2024 00:37 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2024 22:22 MJG wrote:
Celebrating the fact that Korea isn't producing any new talent is a strange thing to do. I mean so is saying the contemporary game is worthless because Kespa isn’t an ongoing concern but people don’t cop bans for that
I don't think it's what they said, I think it's how they said it.
To be honest, I assumed the ban was for martyring until I looked at the ABL just now...
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Northern Ireland22264 Posts
On September 12 2024 16:30 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2024 00:37 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2024 22:22 MJG wrote:
Celebrating the fact that Korea isn't producing any new talent is a strange thing to do. I mean so is saying the contemporary game is worthless because Kespa isn’t an ongoing concern but people don’t cop bans for that I don't think it's what they said, I think it's how they said it. To be honest, I assumed the ban was for martyring until I looked at the ABL just now...
Yeah I mean it was a ridiculous bloody post, aye
There are ways to say something similar without writing, well, that.
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Such a great event! Hope we get another next year.
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Dominican Republic599 Posts
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On September 13 2024 10:40 BonitiilloO wrote:
replays?
They're coming soon - I imagine the organizers had to get their equipment home and pull the replays off of the observer PC first (first priority comes to teardown from the arena would be my guess)
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Really enjoyed this one! Exciting games and great energy. Nice production and the outdoor venue was a breath of fresh air in two ways I suppose Thanks everyone involved!
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United States32876 Posts
Replay pack available now
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EPT
