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On October 26 2009 08:01 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 07:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Don't worry, guys, we've got a classic Flash situation. He has PL duties, playing potentially the two strongest players on Oz (Hiya regular and Jaedong ace) and then he has to play his OSL qualifier in the same day against Mind/Hogil, who will capitalize on an overworked underappreciated little terran. Then TL can happily shout that Flash is terrible and dropped OSL early!
No need to be considering making him #1 on the PR again! Obvioulsy even if he pulls that out and wins all the games on Tuesday it will be just because he faced weak opponents. Obvioulsy none of them is a S-class player and that's why he can't be in top3.
I cannot tell you how many times people have posted this exact same thing over three months. Apparently it get's clever-er every time it's reposted.
Not only has  Flash played the best starcraft of this month, (and should claim the #1 slot provided he doesn't lose in spectacular fashion later this week) but his fanbase has reached new heights of an inferiority complex. How on earth did this discussion- which should've been about the sick starcraft Flash has been playing this month, the TvZ revolution that Flash is single-handedy leading back to MnM, and the resurgence of KT- come to non-stop griping about a power rank from August?
I mean seriously, your player is playing fantastic, every one agrees that he's sitting at #1 right now, and all anybody can do is whine. So annoying...
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Lol I saw "last post: tree.hugger" and I was like AWW SHIET
But I was dissappointed ):
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On October 26 2009 10:15 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 08:01 Lebesgue wrote:On October 26 2009 07:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Don't worry, guys, we've got a classic Flash situation. He has PL duties, playing potentially the two strongest players on Oz (Hiya regular and Jaedong ace) and then he has to play his OSL qualifier in the same day against Mind/Hogil, who will capitalize on an overworked underappreciated little terran. Then TL can happily shout that Flash is terrible and dropped OSL early!
No need to be considering making him #1 on the PR again! Obvioulsy even if he pulls that out and wins all the games on Tuesday it will be just because he faced weak opponents. Obvioulsy none of them is a S-class player and that's why he can't be in top3. I cannot tell you how many times people have posted this exact same thing over three months. Apparently it get's clever-er every time it's reposted. Not only has Flash played the best starcraft of this month, (and should claim the #1 slot provided he doesn't lose in spectacular fashion later this week) but his fanbase has reached new heights of an inferiority complex. How on earth did this discussion- which should've been about the sick starcraft Flash has been playing this month, the TvZ revolution that Flash is single-handedy leading back to MnM, and the resurgence of KT- come to non-stop griping about a power rank from August? I mean seriously, your player is playing fantastic, every one agrees that he's sitting at #1 right now, and all anybody can do is whine. So annoying...
We just want to be certain that JWD not write the PR ever again.
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On October 26 2009 10:15 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 08:01 Lebesgue wrote:On October 26 2009 07:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Don't worry, guys, we've got a classic Flash situation. He has PL duties, playing potentially the two strongest players on Oz (Hiya regular and Jaedong ace) and then he has to play his OSL qualifier in the same day against Mind/Hogil, who will capitalize on an overworked underappreciated little terran. Then TL can happily shout that Flash is terrible and dropped OSL early!
No need to be considering making him #1 on the PR again! Obvioulsy even if he pulls that out and wins all the games on Tuesday it will be just because he faced weak opponents. Obvioulsy none of them is a S-class player and that's why he can't be in top3. I cannot tell you how many times people have posted this exact same thing over three months. Apparently it get's clever-er every time it's reposted. Not only has Flash played the best starcraft of this month, (and should claim the #1 slot provided he doesn't lose in spectacular fashion later this week) but his fanbase has reached new heights of an inferiority complex. How on earth did this discussion- which should've been about the sick starcraft Flash has been playing this month, the TvZ revolution that Flash is single-handedy leading back to MnM, and the resurgence of KT- come to non-stop griping about a power rank from August? I mean seriously, your player is playing fantastic, every one agrees that he's sitting at #1 right now, and all anybody can do is whine. So annoying...
Belligerence of so much wrong doing. Remember when Jaedong got bumped down to a surly 4th and how Oz fans reacted? They didn't pipe up until Jaedong was #1 again (didn't take too long, admittedly). Flash hasn't been #1 since Sea did those exhibitions for us and he's been put down constantly ever since. We're bitter old men. >:[
I can't remember the last time Bisu got knocked down to an unfair rank (or off completely).
On the bright side, Flash is totally the best player in the world. His TvT looks stronger than Jaedong's ZvZ lately, which is fucking crazy.
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On October 26 2009 10:15 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 08:01 Lebesgue wrote:On October 26 2009 07:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Don't worry, guys, we've got a classic Flash situation. He has PL duties, playing potentially the two strongest players on Oz (Hiya regular and Jaedong ace) and then he has to play his OSL qualifier in the same day against Mind/Hogil, who will capitalize on an overworked underappreciated little terran. Then TL can happily shout that Flash is terrible and dropped OSL early!
No need to be considering making him #1 on the PR again! Obvioulsy even if he pulls that out and wins all the games on Tuesday it will be just because he faced weak opponents. Obvioulsy none of them is a S-class player and that's why he can't be in top3. I cannot tell you how many times people have posted this exact same thing over three months. Apparently it get's clever-er every time it's reposted. Not only has Flash played the best starcraft of this month, (and should claim the #1 slot provided he doesn't lose in spectacular fashion later this week) but his fanbase has reached new heights of an inferiority complex. How on earth did this discussion- which should've been about the sick starcraft Flash has been playing this month, the TvZ revolution that Flash is single-handedy leading back to MnM, and the resurgence of KT- come to non-stop griping about a power rank from August? I mean seriously, your player is playing fantastic, every one agrees that he's sitting at #1 right now, and all anybody can do is whine. So annoying...
It's immature, but understandable. We never did get a proper explanation/justification/apology for the August PR double-standard, sarcasm is all we've had for breakfast, lunch, and dinner these past couple months. Now that his performance is completely undeniable, the past anger manifests in the form of passive-aggressive sarcasm. But I agree that at this point bygones should just be bygones.
Personally I think it's too early to celebrate anyway, Flash is going to have an eye-twitch panic attack mid-game or something and drop out of OSL, because this month has just been too good to be true so far.
But yes, let's talk about his games themselves.
I think the reason Flash has been doing so well lately is because the new maps don't all work well for mech TvZ and favor a more mobile Terran army, which means Fantasy and his emulators are suffering more than someone like Flash, whose bionic play has always been top-notch. On the other hand, Zerg have been having to split up their ZvT practice time against mech and bio, and none of them have bio practice partners who have control like Flash does.
Also, Zerg. I don't think Jaedong has gotten worse, I just think that Calm and Effort have caught up to him, which is extremely scary. Even random A or A- level Zergs seem to be able to channel Jaedong from time to time. Honestly, I think Flash and Fantasy are the only ones who have a chance to keep the OSL and MSL from having ZvZ finals again.
Protoss: I have no goddamn idea, it just looks really bad. Especially the hydra breaks after templar snipes, those are just brutal and make the matchup LOOK hopeless.
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Everyone who is hating directly on JWD for making what has always been a relatively subjective ranking FOR THE COMMUNITY needs to re-think their priorities. If you disagree with him that's fine, but he did work for TeamLiquid, what have you done? Any disrespect to him because of his OPINIONS is 1. bigotry 2. blasphemy 3. shameful 4. immature.
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On October 26 2009 10:15 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 08:01 Lebesgue wrote:On October 26 2009 07:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Don't worry, guys, we've got a classic Flash situation. He has PL duties, playing potentially the two strongest players on Oz (Hiya regular and Jaedong ace) and then he has to play his OSL qualifier in the same day against Mind/Hogil, who will capitalize on an overworked underappreciated little terran. Then TL can happily shout that Flash is terrible and dropped OSL early!
No need to be considering making him #1 on the PR again! Obvioulsy even if he pulls that out and wins all the games on Tuesday it will be just because he faced weak opponents. Obvioulsy none of them is a S-class player and that's why he can't be in top3. I cannot tell you how many times people have posted this exact same thing over three months. Apparently it get's clever-er every time it's reposted. Not only has Flash played the best starcraft of this month, (and should claim the #1 slot provided he doesn't lose in spectacular fashion later this week) but his fanbase has reached new heights of an inferiority complex. How on earth did this discussion- which should've been about the sick starcraft Flash has been playing this month, the TvZ revolution that Flash is single-handedy leading back to MnM, and the resurgence of KT- come to non-stop griping about a power rank from August? I mean seriously, your player is playing fantastic, every one agrees that he's sitting at #1 right now, and all anybody can do is whine. So annoying...
I'd have to put Calm at #1 and Flash at #2 personally, mostly because Calm has been playing this way for many months straight (and has a fairly recent MSL title) and the two have shown otherwise roughly comparable results.
They are definitely 1 and 2 right now however you look at it, though.
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I think Calm's loss to RorO bumps him down to #2.
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On October 26 2009 10:38 fanatacist wrote:
Everyone who is hating directly on JWD for making what has always been a relatively subjective ranking FOR THE COMMUNITY needs to re-think their priorities. If you disagree with him that's fine, but he did work for TeamLiquid, what have you done? Any disrespect to him because of his OPINIONS is 1. bigotry 2. blasphemy 3. shameful 4. immature.
Did you seriously just call mocking someone's opinion Blasphemy?
You literally just compared JWD's articles to religion. :>
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It's kind of unfortunate that Flash hasn't played anyone significant besides Savior since September ): Sure it makes his record more impressive but quality has to be considered as well as quantity.
NOTE TO FLASH FANS: The above is not a statement that in any way is meant as a reason to lower Flash's ranking on the upcoming PR. Thank you.
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^^keep in mind that fanaticist may have been joking with the "blasphemy" part
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On October 26 2009 10:43 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 10:38 fanatacist wrote:
Everyone who is hating directly on JWD for making what has always been a relatively subjective ranking FOR THE COMMUNITY needs to re-think their priorities. If you disagree with him that's fine, but he did work for TeamLiquid, what have you done? Any disrespect to him because of his OPINIONS is 1. bigotry 2. blasphemy 3. shameful 4. immature. Did you seriously just call mocking someone's opinion to Blasphemy? You literally just compared JWD's articles to religion. :>
Yes because we must all bow to the TL shrine as we have devoted hours upon hours due to its existence, making Liquidism a religion in its own right.
Seriously though, I think I made it clear that I was exaggerating a little in my fervor (:
On October 26 2009 10:45 qrs wrote:
^^keep in mind that fanaticist may have been joking with the "blasphemy" part
Nah I was serious about the concept but I wasn't serious about the severity. It does piss me off that people are so disrespectful to contributors.
EDIT: qrs if you post that after every one of my posts that would be really helpful thanks n_n;
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On October 26 2009 10:44 fanatacist wrote:
It's kind of unfortunate that Flash hasn't played anyone significant besides Savior since September ): Sure it makes his record more impressive but quality has to be considered as well as quantity.
NOTE TO FLASH FANS: The above is not a statement that in any way is meant as a reason to lower Flash's ranking on the upcoming PR. Thank you.
We can always hope KT vs Oz goes to ace and both teams don't make stupid decisions on who to send out.
That would be so cruel for Flash, though, having to play TvT against Hiya, TvZ against JD, and have a TvT and TvZ strategy ready for OSL an hour later depending on who wins. If he could somehow pull a miracle like that off, well...
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On October 26 2009 10:44 fanatacist wrote:
It's kind of unfortunate that Flash hasn't played anyone significant besides Savior since September ): Sure it makes his record more impressive but quality has to be considered as well as quantity.
NOTE TO FLASH FANS: The above is not a statement that in any way is meant as a reason to lower Flash's ranking on the upcoming PR. Thank you.
Hey don't be knockin' FBH's TvT! >:[
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On October 26 2009 10:46 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 10:44 fanatacist wrote:
It's kind of unfortunate that Flash hasn't played anyone significant besides Savior since September ): Sure it makes his record more impressive but quality has to be considered as well as quantity.
NOTE TO FLASH FANS: The above is not a statement that in any way is meant as a reason to lower Flash's ranking on the upcoming PR. Thank you. We can always hope KT vs Oz goes to ace and both teams don't make stupid decisions on who to send out. That would be so cruel for Flash, though, having to play TvT against Hiya, TvZ against JD, and have a TvT and TvZ strategy ready for OSL an hour later depending on who wins. If he could somehow pull a miracle like that off, well...
Yea, but I think KT is going to beat Oz before the acematch tbh. KT has been doing well and not just because of Flash (although obviously largely due to his performance).
It's rough, but I think that is where raw ability can be measured the most accurately, and I think Flash has a lot of it (despite my hate for his turtle-style TvP when he uses it... so many ICCup Terrans just mimic it and it's SO HARD TO BREAK T_T).
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Flash, king of Supply Depot and Tank walls!
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On October 26 2009 10:48 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 10:44 fanatacist wrote:
It's kind of unfortunate that Flash hasn't played anyone significant besides Savior since September ): Sure it makes his record more impressive but quality has to be considered as well as quantity.
NOTE TO FLASH FANS: The above is not a statement that in any way is meant as a reason to lower Flash's ranking on the upcoming PR. Thank you. Hey don't be knockin' FBH's TvT! >:[
True, that was a great game and FBH's TvT has been pretty good through-out his career. However, I think Flash was a clear favorite to win that given FBH's recent form. I want to see a match between Flash and Bisu or Flash and Jaedong (: Although that is admittedly a really high standard for "anyone significant," I would have accepted players like fantasy, Effort, Calm, etc. as well obviously.
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I think the best strategy for anyone going against KT right now is to train one of their strong Protoss players (but not someone in the main 4 roster) specifically to prepare a strategy for an ace game against Flash (except SKT obviously, who can just use Bisu).
PvT looks pretty scary (Flash cut it mighty close against DaezanG, and Fantasy got rolled by Stork) right now honestly. Terrans are lucky that Zergs are cutting down Protoss players left and right.
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On October 26 2009 10:52 Hinanawi wrote:
I think the best strategy for anyone going against KT right now is to train one of their strong Protoss players (but not someone in the main 4 roster) specifically to prepare a strategy for an ace game against Flash (except SKT obviously, who can just use Bisu).
PvT looks pretty scary (Flash cut it mighty close against DaezanG, and Fantasy got rolled by Stork) right now honestly. Terrans are lucky that Zergs are cutting down Protoss players left and right.
Any team with a top PvT player will have a great chance against KT in an ace match. When was the last time Flash won vs a top tier PvTer? Like Kal back in winners league or something, hes had awful stats vs the dragons the last year or so. (Tho he demolishes everyone who`s not among the absolute best)
On the bright side, Flash is totally the best player in the world. His TvT looks stronger than Jaedong's ZvZ lately, which is fucking crazy.
Is it stronger than Bisus PvP tho?
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Good point. I'd say flash's TvT is stronger, just cos ELO said so, and ELO is my religion...
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