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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
March 22 2009 23:40 GMT
#241
Controversial view ahoy:

Pretend this whole F91 thing never happened. JF vs Idra. Winner plays Strelok. Winner plays Nony.
5sz6sz7sz1a2a3a4a kwanrollllllled
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
March 22 2009 23:42 GMT
#242
Shaft F91 for nothing! What a great idea!
TranslatorBaa!
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
March 22 2009 23:44 GMT
#243
I think Ash has been quite honest in his intentions and in his message.

Which, based on that screenshot, is more than I can say for Nony. He gets caught in his own lies and immediately tries to spin the wrongdoing onto Ash? For what? Screenshotting a convo when there was no admin around? Please.

I don't claim to know either party involved but it is shameful the way you guys are unfairly attacking Ash for standing up for his friend.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
March 22 2009 23:50 GMT
#244
On March 23 2009 08:44 hauton wrote:
I don't claim to know either party involved but it is shameful the way you guys are unfairly attacking Ash for standing up for his friend.


Except his friend hasn't been attacked once in the thread.
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
March 23 2009 00:00 GMT
#245
On March 23 2009 08:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Shaft F91 for nothing! What a great idea!


That's what I thought when I read the original TSL announcement about the Chinese players being disqualified. It's not fair, but it's not for nothing.
5sz6sz7sz1a2a3a4a kwanrollllllled
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 00:04:29
March 23 2009 00:02 GMT
#246
On March 23 2009 08:50 H wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2009 08:44 hauton wrote:
I don't claim to know either party involved but it is shameful the way you guys are unfairly attacking Ash for standing up for his friend.


Except his friend hasn't been attacked once in the thread.

Don't twist my words... when did I say people were attacking F91 in this thread? Please read.

Ash is standing up for F91 because he feels the way the way this went down, especially Nony's behaviour, was unfair to F91. That's why he spoke up. Not as F91's manager, not as F91's representative. But as F91's friend. Just like fans of Nony are speaking up and fans of F91 are speaking up. He has that right.

Whether you agree with what he's saying is an entire different subject. IMO, based on what I've read and seen, both parties made real concessions to try to get this event to work. But frankly, Nony could've dealt with the lag problem in a much better way, and it was quite BM the way he stormed out. The fact that he bold-faced lied about it in this thread further compounds my poor view of Nony in this situation.

But anyways, that's my view.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 23 2009 00:20 GMT
#247
On March 23 2009 05:38 mmdmmd wrote:
[image loading]


Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 22:57 Liquid`NonY wrote:
After the second game, I didn't say what you said. The way you recount it gives a horrible impression of me. I didn't start anything with 'fuck' and the very last thing I said was that I shouldn't schedule matches with Chinese players at all.

Yes, I was short about it and it was easy to tell I was impatient, but I didn't use bad language or insult anyone.



F*** , you got owned bad!

3:0 to F91


I can't believe anyone would defend Nony or attack Ash after this. Look, if I were Ash, I'd be pretty damn pissed about it. And probably would've written a more vicious rant afterwards. Even if Nony forgot what he said in the heat of the moment(which is perfectly fine), he should at least not just outright deny the accusation. Say something like "I forgot what I did. If I did use the word fuck I apologize". Something like that.

That said, I hope all parties kiss and make up because there really is no point in dragging this out more. Ash, just let it go. It really isn't worth it. Talk with the TL.net staff and see how you should move forward from here.

IMHO I think you should just cancel this Liquibition. If non-Chinese foreigners can't handle the lag, either no more Chinese players in the future or just Chinese vs. Chinese in the future.


Meh
Kolean.Tellan
Profile Joined May 2008
Belgium217 Posts
March 23 2009 00:29 GMT
#248
On March 23 2009 09:20 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2009 05:38 mmdmmd wrote:
[image loading]


On March 22 2009 22:57 Liquid`NonY wrote:
After the second game, I didn't say what you said. The way you recount it gives a horrible impression of me. I didn't start anything with 'fuck' and the very last thing I said was that I shouldn't schedule matches with Chinese players at all.

Yes, I was short about it and it was easy to tell I was impatient, but I didn't use bad language or insult anyone.



F*** , you got owned bad!

3:0 to F91


I can't believe anyone would defend Nony or attack Ash after this. Look, if I were Ash, I'd be pretty damn pissed about it. And probably would've written a more vicious rant afterwards. Even if Nony forgot what he said in the heat of the moment(which is perfectly fine), he should at least not just outright deny the accusation. Say something like "I forgot what I did. If I did use the word fuck I apologize". Something like that.

That said, I hope all parties kiss and make up because there really is no point in dragging this out more. Ash, just let it go. It really isn't worth it. Talk with the TL.net staff and see how you should move forward from here.

IMHO I think you should just cancel this Liquibition. If non-Chinese foreigners can't handle the lag, either no more Chinese players in the future or just Chinese vs. Chinese in the future.


seriously this few typed lines are seriously drawn out of their context

he says: fuck it i'm not playing ==> ACCORDING to lag, reschedule if u want if there's no lag
then he says: dont know why i agreed to play a chinese player ==> like djeeze i should have known better
im a 100% with nony on this and shame on you ash for blowing it up like this
it seems some people are not to familiar with the american/english language
you can no more win a war then you can win an earthquake.
Halliday
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada24 Posts
March 23 2009 00:39 GMT
#249
Many props to F91
-for agreeing to the 3am series.
-for being able to play with and without lag
-agreeing to the score reset after going 2-0

Props to NonY also for sticking out that first and most of 2nd game despite the lag.

Also, I for one would love to continue seeing more Chinese players, the lag problems can only get better from here as China's communication infrastructure is no doubt being slowly upgraded.

Here's to hoping for the the issue to be resolved and epic games.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
March 23 2009 00:56 GMT
#250
I was just thinking this would happen

lag sucks ASS but it could totally be spun the other way into an excuse for losing even when it's fine

sort this shit out pls cus both sides arguing over lag's just painfully bnet nublike.
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kernl
Profile Joined October 2008
84 Posts
March 23 2009 01:08 GMT
#251
I don't understand why there's such a big discussion here.
It's well-known that nony is not exactly mannered.
It's also well-known that a lot of people here at TL are fans of Nony nonetheless and will take his side whatever it is that's being discussed.
There's no point in arguing unless you were in the game and thus able to judge how bad of a lag there really was or if it was just Nony's play that was bad.
As for me, this whole discussion strikes me as a typical Nony-discussion on TL: admins and North Americans defending him against Europeans' accusations.
Boring, biased, and totally senseless. Waste of time. I even regret wasting the minutes these lines take me to write. Stop plskthx.
desu
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 01:34:18
March 23 2009 01:34 GMT
#252
Well,China indeed lags as hell.. But is not it Nony who is a challenger and F91 how is a king of the hill?
patyrykin.net
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
March 23 2009 01:35 GMT
#253
i agree with ash 100% on this.............
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Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
March 23 2009 01:37 GMT
#254
I'd like to see "the whole conversation" if that screenshot isn't "the whole conversation".

Let's just call the flame war off and have Ash, NonY, and the TL admins work it out. I doubt that a bunch of people being judgmental is adding much.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
March 23 2009 01:53 GMT
#255
mh great seems like everything that had to be said for now was said but no of course there's a bunch of people who apparently only just joined TL to state how much nony sucks...way to go people this is really gonna help..
beep boop
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 02:17:55
March 23 2009 02:17 GMT
#256
On March 23 2009 09:29 Kolean.Tellan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2009 09:20 baubo wrote:
On March 23 2009 05:38 mmdmmd wrote:
[image loading]


On March 22 2009 22:57 Liquid`NonY wrote:
After the second game, I didn't say what you said. The way you recount it gives a horrible impression of me. I didn't start anything with 'fuck' and the very last thing I said was that I shouldn't schedule matches with Chinese players at all.

Yes, I was short about it and it was easy to tell I was impatient, but I didn't use bad language or insult anyone.



F*** , you got owned bad!

3:0 to F91


I can't believe anyone would defend Nony or attack Ash after this. Look, if I were Ash, I'd be pretty damn pissed about it. And probably would've written a more vicious rant afterwards. Even if Nony forgot what he said in the heat of the moment(which is perfectly fine), he should at least not just outright deny the accusation. Say something like "I forgot what I did. If I did use the word fuck I apologize". Something like that.

That said, I hope all parties kiss and make up because there really is no point in dragging this out more. Ash, just let it go. It really isn't worth it. Talk with the TL.net staff and see how you should move forward from here.

IMHO I think you should just cancel this Liquibition. If non-Chinese foreigners can't handle the lag, either no more Chinese players in the future or just Chinese vs. Chinese in the future.


seriously this few typed lines are seriously drawn out of their context

he says: fuck it i'm not playing ==> ACCORDING to lag, reschedule if u want if there's no lag
then he says: dont know why i agreed to play a chinese player ==> like djeeze i should have known better
im a 100% with nony on this and shame on you ash for blowing it up like this
it seems some people are not to familiar with the american/english language


This is some horrible spinning. How are you actually trying to twist 2 simple straightforward sentences. It doesn't take an American to understand that. Any foreign school children with some EFL class can figure it out.

Hence, why Nony trying to deny it is so ridiculous. And as an American I'm actually quite annoyed by him and Idra representing my country. I mean, it's not as if I don't get enough flak for trying to explain to foreigners(as in non-Americans) why my country has Dubya for 8 years.
Meh
S.G)XY
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 04:40:00
March 23 2009 04:24 GMT
#257
I am not a big noony fan . Remember before he went to PGL said something like he will at least not lose to chinese player. Then he got owned so bad by eva and super in LAN.
You don't have ball to admit what you said this time, not to mention the 2 games you have lost.
So I am 100% with ash
hahaimhenry
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada368 Posts
March 23 2009 04:41 GMT
#258
On March 23 2009 09:29 Kolean.Tellan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2009 09:20 baubo wrote:
On March 23 2009 05:38 mmdmmd wrote:
[image loading]


On March 22 2009 22:57 Liquid`NonY wrote:
After the second game, I didn't say what you said. The way you recount it gives a horrible impression of me. I didn't start anything with 'fuck' and the very last thing I said was that I shouldn't schedule matches with Chinese players at all.

Yes, I was short about it and it was easy to tell I was impatient, but I didn't use bad language or insult anyone.



F*** , you got owned bad!

3:0 to F91


I can't believe anyone would defend Nony or attack Ash after this. Look, if I were Ash, I'd be pretty damn pissed about it. And probably would've written a more vicious rant afterwards. Even if Nony forgot what he said in the heat of the moment(which is perfectly fine), he should at least not just outright deny the accusation. Say something like "I forgot what I did. If I did use the word fuck I apologize". Something like that.

That said, I hope all parties kiss and make up because there really is no point in dragging this out more. Ash, just let it go. It really isn't worth it. Talk with the TL.net staff and see how you should move forward from here.

IMHO I think you should just cancel this Liquibition. If non-Chinese foreigners can't handle the lag, either no more Chinese players in the future or just Chinese vs. Chinese in the future.


seriously this few typed lines are seriously drawn out of their context

he says: fuck it i'm not playing ==> ACCORDING to lag, reschedule if u want if there's no lag
then he says: dont know why i agreed to play a chinese player ==> like djeeze i should have known better
im a 100% with nony on this and shame on you ash for blowing it up like this
it seems some people are not to familiar with the american/english language


You're an obvious NonY fan. That's all you've proven.

It's ridiculous how you're trying to twist this whole thing into NonY's favour and I find it quite pathetic that you're doing that. What is said is said, you seem to be a bit paranoid that NonY is a BM guy, and because of your ignorance you don't realize NonY actually has a history of it much like IdrA. Don't kid yourself, both of them are extremely skilled and you can learn a lot from watching them play, but I haven't become obsessed like 90% of TL members.
:]
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 23 2009 04:49 GMT
#259
I think what annoys a lot of people is what i perceive as a pretty arrogant tone always coming fron Nony and Idra in a lot of posts. I don't understand it really, its only a game yet they seem completely uptight about it. A reasonable person might just say, ok sorry but the lag is unplayable so we should try to fix this before continuing not have pointless angry outbursts. F91 can't speak english so leaving like that immediately is probably kind of annoying.
ExSoldier
Profile Joined April 2008
378 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 04:55:23
March 23 2009 04:53 GMT
#260
" fuck it i shouldn't have agreed to play chinese players in the first place. reschedule if you want." lol..... wow nony sounds like loser

+ Show Spoiler +
"It's well-known that nony is not exactly mannered." cant believe he was actually invited to korea where respect and manner is taken seriously...
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