EPTLiquibition #29 - Delayed! - Page 12
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
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roadrunner_sc
United States1220 Posts
Ash was actually pretty civil when recounting the situation the first time. I would have just posted that damn thing first time around and called Nony out to apologize. All that organizing and he just leaves. On March 23 2009 03:33 IdrA wrote: what are you blithering about no ones stealing his credit, and the vast majority of the time your players do lag with foreigners. It's not so much about stealing credit as getting an unfair picture of the situation. Most people to might only hear Nony's side of the story, given F91's language barrier. If people side against F91, it's not only his reputation but Fnatic's - which Ash would have a stake in, wouldn't he? On March 23 2009 03:33 IdrA wrote: its an annoying reality that most players would rather not deal with. believe it or not when players are forced to deal with something like that they get frusterated.. Of course it would be annoying playing under that lag, and Ash acknowledged that. But how frustrating would it be, considering if you were F91, playing an important event, and half way through the second game your opponent leaves, rants something about lag, and log off without an explanation? Why shouldn't F91, and more importantly Ash, who's spend a lot of time organizing this, be frustrated after it gets cut short in such a manner? On March 23 2009 03:33 IdrA wrote: but nony didnt even say anything personally insulting or even all that rude. Look @ screenshot again please. It's not that distasteful, sure, but not exactly polite either, is it? | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
- Nony, Ash (maybe but not necessarily F91) should sit down with TL staff and sort things out discretely and as adults do - this thread should be temporarily closed until this is resolved. (and apart from a post to elaborate on the results of the debates NonY and Ash should not discuss these events further) - while they are at it, the mods could distribute some bans around this thread... so we can have an epic, nice and clean LB finale next weekend. My (more) biased personal opinion: Ash, you are disgracing yourself, NonY, Liquibition, and as manager, F91 as well. After F91 -with great sportsmanship!- agreed to have rematches, you should not have started insulting NonY on these boards, or post private messaging logs (Man, I hope - for his sake- that's not his real messenger email adress you copied several times), calling him a liar several times (I don't care that much about what really happened.), etc. Seriously, what was your intention? Nobody was saying bad things about F91 until you came. You're a manager, and an interpreter helping the clash of these two great players to happen. (and with such, doing a great service for the whole community, that I, and I'm sure everybody else respects and appreciates.) You could have attacked NonY personally via the site's PM system, instant messaging, you could've torn off your posters if you have really lost 10 posts' worth of faith and appreciation for him, you could've torn your bff bracelet, you could have told him your father would surely beat his, but you posted the logs and screenshots you aquired through your official work, and used them for your personal attacks against NonY. In the meanwhile (I know I'm repeating myself so I'll stop) you are disgracing, undermining and plagueing the spirit and the very institute of Liquibition itself. Think about this. In the meanwhile: (I might get banned for this, but I dont mind) f**k you! | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
If I were F91 and were used to play in lag in an important match and my opponent is not i will feel pretty comfortable with that edge | ||
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Ash
Malaysia1978 Posts
On March 23 2009 06:13 538 wrote: Shit is stirring up, so imho: - Nony, Ash (maybe but not necessarily F91) should sit down with TL staff and sort things out discretely and as adults do - this thread should be temporarily closed until this is resolved. (and apart from a post to elaborate on the results of the debates NonY and Ash should not discuss these events further) - while they are at it, the mods could distribute some bans around this thread... so we can have an epic, nice and clean LB finale next weekend. My (more) biased personal opinion: Ash, you are disgracing yourself, NonY, Liquibition, and as manager, F91 as well. After F91 -with great sportsmanship!- agreed to have rematches, you should not have started insulting NonY on these boards, or post private messaging logs (Man, I hope - for his sake- that's not his real messenger email adress you copied several times), calling him a liar several times (I don't care that much about what really happened.), etc. Seriously, what was your intention? Nobody was saying bad things about F91 until you came. You're a manager, and an interpreter helping the clash of these two great players to happen. (and with such, doing a great service for the whole community, that I, and I'm sure everybody else respects and appreciates.) You could have attacked NonY personally via the site's PM system, instant messaging, you could've torn off your posters if you have really lost 10 posts' worth of faith and appreciation for him, you could've torn your bff bracelet, you could have told him your father would surely beat his, but you posted the logs and screenshots you aquired through your official work, and used them for your personal attacks against NonY. In the meanwhile (I know I'm repeating myself so I'll stop) you are disgracing, undermining and plagueing the spirit and the very institute of Liquibition itself. Think about this. In the meanwhile: (I might get banned for this, but I dont mind) f**k you! Ah thanks for the reminder. I've removed the log. I apologize for that. However, I only uploaded the screenshot because I needed to prove that I wasn't twisting the fact like how Nony mentioned I was. There is a reason why I didn't upload the screenshot in the first place only after doing it when nony responded to my post saying that he didn't do so and sounded like I was the one making up the story to make everyone hate him for that. I was upset because I think the games had to be postponed just because of some personal egos after losing games and tried to use lag as an excuse to cover the truth that someone was outplayed thus gaining the whole community sympathy for it and spoiling half of the audience plan on saturday to watch this amazing showmatch. Once again , I admit I could've settled this better. Now I've had a talk with Nazgul and we shall stop this flame war. Sorry for those who have been offended by my post once again. I will now stop posting in this thread. Sorry NonY. I hope you can be a little bit more patient the next time we arrange stuff. I stayed up to 3 am together with F91 just to get this series played so we could provide an interesting series for the audience in time to watch. I hope you understand that we could've dealt with the problem easily so please give a little bit more patience next time if anything happens again. Once again, I'm sorry. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On March 23 2009 06:26 Ash wrote: I apologize for that. However, I only uploaded the screenshot because I needed to prove that I wasn't twisting the fact like how Nony mentioned I was. There is a reason why I didn't upload the screenshot in the first place only after doing it when nony responded to my post saying that he didn't do so and sounded like I was the one making up the story to make everyone hate him for that. I was upset because I think the games had to be postponed just because of some personal egos after losing games and tried to use lag as an excuse to cover the truth that someone was outplayed thus gaining the whole community sympathy for it. Twisting the facts? It's two lines of texts with him throwing a curse word to prove his frustration, and saying he's not playing the match. I'm pretty sure both stories line up in some way on that. Yeah, ego, lag, chinese. It all makes sense now. No wait it doesn't. Thank you for not posting in here anymore ash, I'm going to hold you to that. | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States687 Posts
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roadrunner_sc
United States1220 Posts
On March 23 2009 06:23 LRM)TechnicS wrote: i think roadrunner didn't get the essense of idra's 1st post too XD If I were F91 and were used to play in lag in an important match and my opponent is not i will feel pretty comfortable with that edge Nothing I've argued pertains to whether the lag was acceptable or not. On March 23 2009 06:30 Divinek wrote: Twisting the facts? It's two lines of texts with him throwing a curse word to prove his frustration, and saying he's not playing the match. I'm pretty sure both stories line up in some way on that. I suggest you read over what Nony said in his post before jumping to conclusions like this: On March 23 2009 06:30 Divinek wrote: Yeah, ego, lag, chinese. It all makes sense now. No wait it doesn't. Thank you for not posting in here anymore ash, I'm going to hold you to that. | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On March 23 2009 06:30 Divinek wrote: Twisting the facts? It's two lines of texts with him throwing a curse word to prove his frustration, and saying he's not playing the match. I'm pretty sure both stories line up in some way on that. Yeah, ego, lag, chinese. It all makes sense now. No wait it doesn't. Thank you for not posting in here anymore ash, I'm going to hold you to that. 2 line or 20 lines, it's hardcore proof that Nony lied to everyone here on TL. I don't think the screenshot would ever surface if Nony hasn't made that denying post. | ||
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roadrunner_sc
United States1220 Posts
Ya real comfortable. | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On March 23 2009 06:41 mmdmmd wrote: 2 line or 20 lines, it's hardcore proof that Nony lied to everyone here on TL. I don't think the screenshot would ever surface if Nony hasn't made that denying post. Yeah, cause its totally impossible that he forgot he didn't just curse out loud (I'd be disappointed in him if he didn't do that at least:-p), but also typed it in. (Being unable to play due to lag in a stressful match can be just as unpleasant as staying up till 3 am to have the opponent leave on you) No, I'm sure it was a deliberate lie to the community, and the bastard was trying to get away with it, lynch him. You're just a pathetic vulture needing and enjoying this highschool drama. Actually I even gave you too much by just responding. I'm done with this thread before (?) I get myself banned. Have fun, see you during the cast. | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
But fnatic played a lot of cws around that time so he probably is used to it.. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On March 23 2009 06:30 Divinek wrote: Twisting the facts? It's two lines of texts with him throwing a curse word to prove his frustration, and saying he's not playing the match. I'm pretty sure both stories line up in some way on that. Yeah, ego, lag, chinese. It all makes sense now. No wait it doesn't. Thank you for not posting in here anymore ash, I'm going to hold you to that. What are you talking about It is undeniable that nony didnt say the truth: really short summary Ash says: Nony said "fuck i shouldnt have agreed on playing chinese" nony says " I never would have said anything like 'fuck'" Turns out he did, how can anybody not see that I really dont blame nony for having been angry about lag, in case it really was lagging properly (which im not sure but who knows, word against word) but in that instance he's just lying, im not saying hes lying about something of extreme importance but he's still lying. Ash went too far by attacking nony to the extent he did but lets face it nony and ash were both pissed off and did things they shouldnt have done the way they did it. People should stop immediately hating on either side because both sides were understandable, everybody has the right to agree with one side more than the other just like I do but come on be fucking reasonable. anyways I hope this is resolved now and I certainly hope well have some good games. | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On March 22 2009 07:47 Maenander wrote: Chinese gamers can play with or without lag, several foreigners made that painful experience at PGL or WCG, including Nony. Maybe F91 has an advantage with lag though. but hes definately used to lag, whereas nony isnt. soooo.. not to mention koreans dont have to put up withthat | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On March 23 2009 07:32 LRM)TechnicS wrote: anyway I hope things to find their right place and we witness some epic games ^__^ If the match really went off next sunday. This will be totaly epic. This is THE MOST HYPED game ever! I thought the Idra vs f91 was hyped, but obviously we havn't seen anything yet. Maybe, just maybe, none of these actually happened. It was a plan to hype up the event? | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
u did get owned with screenshot tho  NonY vs IdrA Finale imo.. with good latency :D | ||
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