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Am I the only one finding it awkward to give seeds to players who were just recently in the GSL and got eleminated, and should therefore requalify though code B like everyone else?
I mean let's take the case of Huk, really like him but does he really deserve to be given a free ticket back into code A after he stopped practicing for 3 weeks and lost all his important matches in the GSL, does he really deserve the privilege of not having to requalify through code B like all his korean peers would have to, is this really fair?
I think it's very different than giving seeds to players who never had the chance to go to Korea, but who deserve to be in the GSL. For players that were in the GSL because of a seed already and got eleminated I don't think it's appropriate to give them yet ANOTHER seed, they should earn their place back through code B and prove they are really worthy of being there. Now that would ensure they'd be able to put out great games.
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On February 27 2012 22:11 GuitarBizarre wrote:
The whole article just comes off as some sort of vague, baseless whine about Gomtv losing "integrity" without ever clarifying what classes as having integrity in the first place. Terrible article really. There was no explicit statement made that the seeds were meant to be rigid or results based anyway, and why should they be?
see the op of this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315639
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I would buy a season ticket to see Stephano in the GSL. Zerg bias aside, he's the only foreigner I get the impression isn't scared of Koreans.
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On February 27 2012 22:13 Demorase wrote:
Am I the only one finding it awkward to give seeds to players who were just recently in the GSL and got eleminated, and should therefore requalify though code B like everyone else?
I mean let's take the case of Huk, really like him but does he really deserve to be given a free ticket back into code A after he stopped practicing for 3 weeks and lost all his important matches in the GSL, does he really deserve the privilege of not having to requalify through code B like all his korean peers would have to, is this really fair?
I think it's very different than giving seeds to players who never had the chance to go to Korea, but who deserve to be in the GSL. For players that were in the GSL because of a seed already and got eleminated I don't think it's appropriate to give them yet ANOTHER seed, they should earn their place back through code B and prove they are really worthy of being there. Now that would ensure they'd be able to put out great games.
Same for me, but who is a better candidate to invite, based on results?
As far as I see, he one of the best results of all non-Code S players, whether Korean or non-Korean.
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idra when he isnt raging and playing good
polt such a beast
mkp simply the best
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Nice write-up, except it is inaccurate regarding Violet.
Even if IEM is to be considered minor event, he placed above Naniwa in MLG Winter Arena, so he is a better placed candidate. If he wants to play it that is.
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As far as foreigners go, I think GOM would do well to call Stephano and MAKE HIM come and play. In my opinion Stephano is definitely the best foreigner, with Naniwa coming in second.
If you look at Stephano's last performance vs the very top, at the Bizzard Cup, he played exceptionally well vs the best players in the world, and barely went out with 2:2, partly due to the fact that his deciding game was played before MC's.
Please, PLEASE get Stephano in Code S!! (And this coming from a terran player  )
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i thing the intention of the seeds is also to bring new people into code s, i doubt players who just got eliminated form code s will get reinvited through foreigner seeds
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Polt and Stephano only ones who have proven themselves this year so far, Polt is defintely Code S material ..of course if we are talking Foreigner it gets tougher as its unlikely they will be inviting Naniwa back so soon after his infamous probe rush and Huk already bombed out this season as you stated. That said he is Code S material too.
As long as its not Idra..he is an excellent player yes, but I want my Foreigners not just to play well but to be Ambassadors of the game and he is the worst with his continual rage quitting and balance whining (clearly Leenock, Stephano and of course DRG are not having same problems). If I ran a tourney I would never invite him. Of course Naniwa and Stephano are not exactly Tournament friendly personalities either. I do concede the three of them are the biggest draws in the Foreign scene at the moment.
Foreigners may not be suited to the format where opponents have so long to prepare for one match up.
Coming from a chess background in my youth I see quitea few similarities...World Championship matches allowed an individual to practice for one individual and they could study their style and opening repertoire and of course their opponents knew this and would learn new openings and styles. It suited hard working meticulous players. (Naniwa would be my pick to succeed in this format).
Tournament structures tended to suit more aggressive personalites (Stephano is my pick in this format) who would put it all on the line..of course both styles can be mastered if you are good enough (Kasparov / DRG) but I am not sure the Foreign scene is quite there yet
It is getting there with more mature Team structures (Milleniums new House perhaps giving Stephano a boost on what was already an impressive 2011 performance.). Anyways lets cross our fingers and hope the likes of Sheth, Ret, Thorzain, Mana and the rest get similar opportunities to improve and shine as I have some concerns Koreans will clean sweep all majors tournies this year otherwise!
Foriegners Fighting!
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i would also go for stephano
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Since we are low on zergs in gsl viOLet and stephano and ret are most possible picks in my opinion. But i love to see polt in code s as well
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I wish Stephano would take the invite. He's the only person I could see getting past a group of code S Koreans right now. Naniwa also showing that he's been practicing hard by taking out Nestea and Leenock.
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On February 27 2012 22:14 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 22:11 GuitarBizarre wrote:
The whole article just comes off as some sort of vague, baseless whine about Gomtv losing "integrity" without ever clarifying what classes as having integrity in the first place. Terrible article really. There was no explicit statement made that the seeds were meant to be rigid or results based anyway, and why should they be?
see the op of this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315639
Fair enough I guess, but that states no timeline those results should have come within, and it still doesn't really address the rest of my post.
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I get more hyped to see GSL when there are foreigners in it. But to seed foreigners into code S if they can't compete is just silly. At the moment I feel there are only 2 foreigners who deserves such a spot, and that is Huk and Stephano, and if GSL get them to accept they should get a spot. Are they more deserving then the likes of Hero and Puma, no, but from a business perspective and from a spectator perspective it makes more sense to seed foreigners directly into code S than it is to seed koreans.
Other foreigners who got potential and might be considered for future invites if they step up their game abit is DeMuslim, Naniwa, Ret, Grubby (if he continues to improve) and of course Idra. All of these would also be good enough to receive code A invites.
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On February 27 2012 22:26 Ireniicus wrote:
Polt and Stephano only ones who have proven themselves this year so far, Polt is defintely Code S material ..of course if we are talking Foreigner it gets tougher as its unlikely they will be inviting Naniwa back so soon after his infamous probe rush and Huk already bombed out this season as you stated. That said he is Code S material too.
You know I don't think it's that unlikely, Gom stated Naniwa wasn't permanently banned or anything like that, he just lost his seed for that one season after his blunder. With all the hate he was getting in the korean scene at the time it was the only sensible thing to do anyway.
I think koreans are ok with Naniwa now, he was recently in the GSTL for Startale team and while he didn't get to play, him being in the front row for a GSTL match shows that the incident in the past. All he needs now is some strong results and Gom would be willing to give him a code A seed I think.
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I'd love to see Stephano in Code S, and I'm sure he'd get it in an instant if he desired it. Not so sure that'll happen though, he doesn't really seem to want it.
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Post-tourny articles ftw. Love to read them.
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On February 27 2012 22:41 Demorase wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 22:26 Ireniicus wrote:
Polt and Stephano only ones who have proven themselves this year so far, Polt is defintely Code S material ..of course if we are talking Foreigner it gets tougher as its unlikely they will be inviting Naniwa back so soon after his infamous probe rush and Huk already bombed out this season as you stated. That said he is Code S material too. You know I don't think it's that unlikely, Gom stated Naniwa wasn't permanently banned or anything like that, he just lost his seed for that one season after his blunder. With all the hate he was getting in the korean scene at the time it was the only sensible thing to do anyway. I think koreans are ok with Naniwa now, he was recently in the GSTL for Startale team and while he didn't get to play, him being in the front row for a GSTL match shows that the incident in the past. All he needs now is some strong results and Gom would be willing to give him a code A seed I think.
Technically he wasn't banned at all. He had the option to try to qualify for code a for the current season but chose not to. It was his own decision (according to the quantic/naniwa statement). Wheter or not this will affect his chances to get an invite for the next season is another question.
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Stephano and Polt.
Naniwa 0-10 in GSL? For me it feels wrong to keep handing him seeds even if he wins outside of Korea.
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I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I hate seeds for the GSL. Its so degrading to the name of code s and code a to have someone just injected in there, when theres far more hard working and better koreans just trying to get into the GSL. Screw the seeds, just let the foreigners work for it, just like everyone else.
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