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I'd like to see Stephano in the GSL just to get people to stfu about how good he is. He plays the same bad players over and over and wins. YAYYYYYY.
"Well, he beat Puma pretty handily at Assembly"
lol, Assembly.
Those mentioned that deserve this: Violet. Polt. Obviously MKP, but he's going to make it in Code S anyway. I'm a huge Naniwa fan. He is incredibly talented and I would like to see how well he could perform.
HuK: With his only decent result in a long time being a particularly underwhelming run to third place, maybe except for his win against OZ, in a coinflip matchup, I doubt very much that we could see him impress.
IdrA: Maybe. Very maybe.
Demuslim: No.
Stephano: Would like to see him get curb stomped. But his presence at GSL would bring a decidedly larger audience than the other players mentioned, so, there's that.
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On February 28 2012 14:28 sooohawt wrote:
I'd like to see Stephano in the GSL just to get people to stfu about how good he is. He plays the same bad players over and over and wins. YAYYYYYY.
"Well, he beat Puma pretty handily at Assembly"
lol, Assembly.
Those mentioned that deserve this: Violet. Polt. Obviously MKP, but he's going to make it in Code S anyway. I'm a huge Naniwa fan. He is incredibly talented and I would like to see how well he could perform.
HuK: With his only decent result in a long time being a particularly underwhelming run to third place, maybe except for his win against OZ, in a coinflip matchup, I doubt very much that we could see him impress.
IdrA: Maybe. Very maybe.
Demuslim: No.
Stephano: Would like to see him get curb stomped. But his presence at GSL would bring a decidedly larger audience than the other players mentioned, so, there's that.
Can't tell if you like Stephano or not.
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So Stephano isn't worthy of a spot because for some reason wins at Assembly don't count, even against good players, while idra is "very maybe" even though he literally hasn't won a match in 2012 and was just 0-6 stomped from S to B?
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I guess IdrA is a no then, I think by very maybe I meant in the future, so probably not this season. I would love to see Stephano in the GSL for two reasons, to get roflstomped, and because he would bring a pretty decent following of Europeans that are oddly myopic and think he is the best player in the world. But, no, I don't think he "deserves" it by any means. Out of the people in the OP, I think the only players that "deserve" a Code S spot are Violet and Polt.
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Perhaps Sen and IdrA could have done better in different groups, on a different day, but as the results stand, it was a blemish on the GSL's reputation as the most prestigious, difficult league in the world. Some kind of move back to a more meritocratic system is inevitable.
What.
The fact that some of the best non-koreans couldn't do dick in the GSL proves that GSL is the most difficult.
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I believe his point is that a league that hands out free passes to people that are undeserving is in some way undermining its own competitiveness--not that the league actually lacks extreme competition, but that it has taken some kind of a hit by foregoing some measure of that competition in general.
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I want to see Stephano too. He is the only one who would make me buy a season ticket for GSL.
I don't believe there is any other single foreigner able to challenge seriously the Koreans
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On February 28 2012 14:28 sooohawt wrote:
I'd like to see Stephano in the GSL just to get people to stfu about how good he is. He plays the same bad players over and over and wins. YAYYYYYY.
"Well, he beat Puma pretty handily at Assembly"
lol, Assembly.
Those mentioned that deserve this: Violet. Polt. Obviously MKP, but he's going to make it in Code S anyway. I'm a huge Naniwa fan. He is incredibly talented and I would like to see how well he could perform.
Ok, so Stephano is no match for GSL players, but Naniwa would do great? I'm wondering which of the two is currently 1-11 in his GSL record, lmfao
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On February 28 2012 18:01 SolidMustard wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 14:28 sooohawt wrote:
I'd like to see Stephano in the GSL just to get people to stfu about how good he is. He plays the same bad players over and over and wins. YAYYYYYY.
"Well, he beat Puma pretty handily at Assembly"
lol, Assembly.
Those mentioned that deserve this: Violet. Polt. Obviously MKP, but he's going to make it in Code S anyway. I'm a huge Naniwa fan. He is incredibly talented and I would like to see how well he could perform.
Ok, so Stephano is no match for GSL players, but Naniwa would do great? I'm wondering which of the two is currently 1-11 in his GSL record, lmfao
Errrrr, Idk if I said he would do great, I said he is incredibly talented and am interested in seeing HOW well he could do. Reading comprehension is a useful skill, cultivate it, and when you finally take your SAT, maybe you will score higher than 100 that section and can avoid attending your nearest community college.
EDIT: Oh, you're French lol. Difficult to talk sense into enraged fanboys.
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I don't like Codes S (Code A seeds are more reasonable) seeds at all, but if anyone deserves it it's Poltimus.
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On February 28 2012 18:11 sooohawt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 18:01 SolidMustard wrote:On February 28 2012 14:28 sooohawt wrote:
I'd like to see Stephano in the GSL just to get people to stfu about how good he is. He plays the same bad players over and over and wins. YAYYYYYY.
"Well, he beat Puma pretty handily at Assembly"
lol, Assembly.
Those mentioned that deserve this: Violet. Polt. Obviously MKP, but he's going to make it in Code S anyway. I'm a huge Naniwa fan. He is incredibly talented and I would like to see how well he could perform.
Ok, so Stephano is no match for GSL players, but Naniwa would do great? I'm wondering which of the two is currently 1-11 in his GSL record, lmfao Errrrr, Idk if I said he would do great, I said he is incredibly talented and am interested in seeing HOW well he could do. Reading comprehension is a useful skill, cultivate it, and when you finally take your SAT, maybe you will score higher than 100 that section and can avoid attending your nearest community college. EDIT: Oh, you're French lol. Difficult to talk sense into enraged fanboys.
I just had some make an account when I saw you 3 last post.
You are so incredible rude my jaw allmost dropped
Just to make a point since i was doing a comparision between Stephano and lucky from assemply. If you go and analyse the replays you can see a huge difference between the 2.
Not just in styles but overall mechanics. And its not like Lucky is a bad player he played code S this season beat idra very and qualified to code S last season. So he is a very high lvl zerg.
However if you compare him to Stephano is like night and day.
Stephano never gets supplied blocked he is also much much faster then lucky. APM, multitasking etc his decision making.
Watch the games Lucky puma, Stephano puma and polt, stephano.
Stephano and polt played one of the most fantastic final I ever seen so many amasing small details. Like using his infestor egss to locate where polts tanks was etc.
And if you compare the final to the 3rd place final it was huge you could really see a skill difference.
Just a small point. And if Stephano can make lucky a Code S/Coda A zerg look like average then ofcourse stephano would do well in GSL if Lucky could get to code s you dont think Stephano would?
After watching and analyse his relay from assemply vs polt and puma btw his worst matchup Im convinced he would be veyr high in code S. Im not saying he is the world best not at all. Stephano still needs to work on his ZvT he is sometimes way to agressive.
And another point
First of all you say he plays the same bad players over and over again?
Well have you looked at his opponent the last 4-5 months? His opposition has been as tough as any other pro player.
plus his domination over the foreign scene is quite insane he wins everything basically with a price in. And considering some of these foreigners Stephano dominates beat alot of top koreans at MLG just say something about how solid Stephano is.
Sc2 is very volatile but stephano proves it again and again and there is a reason why he is one the highest price earning players in the world.
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On February 28 2012 18:47 Benjamin80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 18:11 sooohawt wrote:On February 28 2012 18:01 SolidMustard wrote:On February 28 2012 14:28 sooohawt wrote:
I'd like to see Stephano in the GSL just to get people to stfu about how good he is. He plays the same bad players over and over and wins. YAYYYYYY.
"Well, he beat Puma pretty handily at Assembly"
lol, Assembly.
Those mentioned that deserve this: Violet. Polt. Obviously MKP, but he's going to make it in Code S anyway. I'm a huge Naniwa fan. He is incredibly talented and I would like to see how well he could perform.
Ok, so Stephano is no match for GSL players, but Naniwa would do great? I'm wondering which of the two is currently 1-11 in his GSL record, lmfao Errrrr, Idk if I said he would do great, I said he is incredibly talented and am interested in seeing HOW well he could do. Reading comprehension is a useful skill, cultivate it, and when you finally take your SAT, maybe you will score higher than 100 that section and can avoid attending your nearest community college. EDIT: Oh, you're French lol. Difficult to talk sense into enraged fanboys. I just had some make an account when I saw you 3 last post. You are so incredible rude my jaw allmost dropped Just to make a point since i was doing a comparision between Stephano and lucky from assemply. If you go and analyse the replays you can see a huge difference between the 2. Not just in styles but overall mechanics. And its not like Lucky is a bad player he played code S this season beat idra very and qualified to code S last season. So he is a very high lvl zerg. However if you compare him to Stephano is like night and day. Stephano never gets supplied blocked he is also much much faster then lucky. APM, multitasking etc his decision making. Watch the games Lucky puma, Stephano puma and polt, stephano. Stephano and polt played one of the most fantastic final I ever seen so many amasing small details. Like using his infestor egss to locate where polts tanks was etc. And if you compare the final to the 3rd place final it was huge you could really see a skill difference. Just a small point. And if Stephano can make lucky a Code S/Coda A zerg look like average then ofcourse stephano would do well in GSL if Lucky could get to code s you dont think Stephano would? After watching and analyse his relay from assemply vs polt and puma btw his worst matchup Im convinced he would be veyr high in code S. Im not saying he is the world best not at all. Stephano still needs to work on his ZvT he is sometimes way to agressive. And another point First of all you say he plays the same bad players over and over again? Well have you looked at his opponent the last 4-5 months? His opposition has been as tough as any other pro player. plus his domination over the foreign scene is quite insane he wins everything basically with a price in. And considering some of these foreigners Stephano dominates beat alot of top koreans at MLG just say something about how solid Stephano is. Sc2 is very volatile but stephano proves it again and again and there is a reason why he is one the highest price earning players in the world.
tl;dr.
just to actually start being rude.
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I would really like to have the known foreigners like Stephano and Idra in Code S because
- foreigners vs koreans -> more tension/competition
- great caster duo there (would be more fair to give them Code A spots but the casting isn't great there)
- see how well they do, even if they lose I don't mind
- clash of different styles
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@OP
I'm not sure why you emphasize HuK's run through the Winter Arena, but completely ignore Naniwas run through the Winter Arena, which was just as successful (Both losing to DRG and MKP) and clearly more difficult. I feel like you just looked at the rank they finished in and that was that...
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On February 28 2012 19:35 ZjiublingZ wrote:
@OP
I'm not sure why you emphasize HuK's run through the Winter Arena, but completely ignore Naniwas run through the Winter Arena, which was just as successful (Both losing to DRG and MKP) and clearly more difficult. I feel like you just looked at the rank they finished in and that was that...
It's funny, if the two switched places, HuK would have been eliminated in his first two matches (v MKP, then v Sheth), while Naniwa would have been third place.
HuK's only notable win was against OZ, a phenomenal player, in a coinflip match up.
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I think that Ret and Huk are the best choice.
Both are foreigners and could therefore broaden the audience.
Both are willing to go to korea to attend code S if i'm not mistaken and have proven that they can perform in korea.
Both can take some bo3 to the best players, and more consistently than most foreigners.
Both have a good fanbase.
Neither of them were invited last season.
Neither of them have had issue with GomTv in past events.
Unfortunatly I still think that code S is too hard for them.
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They should be in Code S but they aren't. There's a reason.
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On February 28 2012 19:52 Thurken wrote:
I think that Ret and Huk are the best choice.
Both are foreigners and could therefore broaden the audience.
Both are willing to go to korea to attend code S if i'm not mistaken and have proven that they can perform in korea.
Both can take some bo3 to the best players, and more consistently than most foreigners.
Both have a good fanbase.
Neither of them were invited last season.
Neither of them have had issue with GomTv in past events.
Unfortunatly I still think that code S is too hard for them.
Huk's original Code S placement was through a seed. That was a while ago, but he was an invite not a qualifier.
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The thing is that with the new 2 month seasons, accepting a GSL invite means you are commiting to stay in Korea for 2 months, right? At the moment I don't think a whole lot of foreigners would do that. Naniwa, Huk, Jinro and SaSe have all claimed (or seems) to be ready to stay for "as long as it takes".
Personally I really want it to be Naniwa. Yes, I'm Swedish and obviously biased, but I think GOM would be hard pressed to find another foreigner:
...with higher change of performing well.
...that would bring more attention and viewers to GSL.
...that is willing to stay the entire season (and following seasons).
Apparently a lot of korean fans, players and coaches see Naniwa as the devil, which might make it hard for GOM to give him a seed. But if the seeds were purely based on skill and honor, Koreans should get both of the code S invites. And I just can't imagine GOM running a Code S without a single foreigner, if they have the opportunity to invite one. (Which is probably why they changed the seed rules into a more arbitrary one anyway) There's just too much viewer/sponsorship money involved.
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HuK wouldnt even have made top 8 at MLG. He got a ridiculusly easy bracket and havent faced a korean till top 8 and then it was a PvP. Thats as lucky as you can possible get. Then he got totally destroyed by both MKP and DRG wasnt even close.
I must say that Naniwa beating Nestea and Leenock or demuslim beating nestea was way more impressive than his run.
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