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GSL: Who Should be in Code S?

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February 27th, 2012 10:29 GMT
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Who Should be in Code S?


By: Waxangel


As another writer's need to write a passionate argument shows, the Code S seed situation is not exactly clear cut. In 2012, the seed system changed to be one of pure discretion on GomTV's part, a marked change from the 2011 system, where there was a specific, pure merit based system that awarded a Code S seed to the highest placing player at an MLG event who did not already have a Code S seed.

In 2012's first season, the results of the change could not have been more apparent: (Z)EG.IdrA and (Z)GAMANIASen were awarded the seeds without having notable tournament results in the months preceding. Off the top of my head, (T)EG.PuMa and (P)Liquid`HerO were more deserving if you consider only tournament finishes (the new system also allowed GomTV to award seeds to Koreans). We all know the results: IdrA and Sen bombed out of Code S as last place in their groups. IdrA continued his fall into Code B, though Sen recovered and found a way into the Up-Down matches.

It was nothing if not predictable. If you exclude singular success story (P)EG.HuK, the combined record of the thirteen international seed recipients was 14 wins and 51 losses in 2011. Oh, and most of them were seeded into Code A.

The GSL can't possibly think that their Code S picks for 2012 Season One were a success (unless, I dunno, a few thousand of you bought season tickets in order to see IdrA once). Perhaps Sen and IdrA could have done better in different groups, on a different day, but as the results stand, it was a blemish on the GSL's reputation as the most prestigious, difficult league in the world. Some kind of move back to a more meritocratic system is inevitable.

However, it's not possible to just pick guys that are known to be good. The selection should be justifiable in some kind of way (even if it is not completely transparent or explicit), and tournament results are the most convenient place to default to. At the same time, the aspect of making a calculated risk and discovering the new HuK (or, maybe just getting the old HuK) must still be considered, as a good gamble could draw a ton of international eyeballs. With those factors in mind, here are the three candidates that seem the most likely: EG.HuK, QxG.NaNiwa, and TSL_Polt. The two that are chosen will depend on how GSL weighs the various factors.


(P)EG.HuK

After a disappointing finish to 2011, HuK took an extended vacation in Canada. In his first games back from his break, he produced yet another disappointing loss, losing to (Z)BumblebeePrime and fell to Code B. It was no cause for alarm, however, as it turned out to just be the bottom of yet another up and down cycle for HuK. He bounced back with a third place finish at MLG Winter Arena, similar to how he bounced back from a minor slump to win MLG Orlando last year.

HuK's recent tournament resume is a bit thin. He basically didn't do anything in 2012 until MLG Winter Arena, where he came in and blasted his way to third place. Other candidates either went all the way and took first place, or defeated a stronger pool of players in a non-first finish.

However, it doesn't really matter, as third place is a good pretty decent excuse to throw in the only blooded and proven Code S class foreigner, the only one that has shown he can actually stick around for a few rounds. There is a market out there, for whom the tipping point of buying a single Code S season ticket is seeing a foreigner duke it out evenly with the Koreans. HuK is the only person in the world who can honestly sell that ticket.


(P)Quantic.NaNiwa

Well, no one is ever going to tell us if NaNiwa's reward for placing second at MLG Providence actually was the GSL Blizzard Cup, or if it was just something the GSL made up to revoke his 2012 Code S seed as punishment for his probe rush. In any case, he was considered before, and he will probably be considered again.

NaNiwa's performances vary wildly, but at least when he hits his highs, he could be even better than HuK. His MLG Providence run is fresh in everyone's memory, and he just added yet another Nestea kill and a Leenock revenge kill to his list of famous heads poached. As a guy who has the potential, at least, to make a very deep run into Code S, GSL must be very intrigued in NaNiwa. Some people would buy GSL tickets for a single series, if NaNiwa ever made the finals. Of course, the looming 0 – 10 record in GSL represents his lows quite well (although, you could argue many of those came before he hit his current skill level).

Top eight IEM Kiev and top eight MLG New York don't look very good on paper, but they're not things that will stop GomTV if they really wanted NaNiwa. I mean, does anyone even remember why (Z)mouzMorroW got an Up/Down seed, or even remember asking? A willingness to come to Korea and improve is all GomTV really needs to see. Add the flair NaNiwa's bad guy streak would add to an otherwise timid league, and you've got an enticing package.


(T)TSL_Polt

As mentioned above, the GSL is willing to seed a player who does not have the best tournament results, as long as they really want him. Polt will test if they're ready to do the inverse: deny a seed to a player who DOES have all the tournament results. Polt has a first place finish at ASUS ROG Assembly Winner, two MSI Pro Cup victories, and a qualification for IPL4 through a very tough bracket as recent achievements. A foreigner with that resume would easily be called the best foreigner in the world.

As Fionn has so adeptly shown, you can almost shame the GSL into seeding Polt after the abysmal performances of foreigners this season. Forget his merits as a player (he's definitely Code S class, a guy who can keep bringing his best in the later rounds, and knows how to prepare for a series) – if the GSL doesn't seed Polt in favor of a foreigner, it would show GomTV doesn't mind tarnishing their reputation a little, in order to sell more tickets. It's something every tournament does to some degree, but it would be one of the most explicit admissions of that fact.

It's a delicate balance, as the GSLs reputation for being the world's most elite league is something that sells tickets as well. New viewers might come to watch NaNi or HuK, but the dissatisfaction of hardcore GSL fans might grow further if they were to bomb out like Sen and IdrA. The GSL will have to measure this choice very carefully.



Unlikely candidates (some more than others).

For fun, here are a few of the less likely, but still possible seed candidates.

(Z)Empire|viOLet: Like Polt, viOLet's championship performance at IEM Sao Paulo necessitates some form of recognition. Unfortunately for viOLet, the perception has been established that Assembly > IEM non-final events. IEM Global Challenge events are the kind of thing GomTV uses to justify splendid ideas like "let's put DongRaeGu in the Blizzard Cup," and not much else. The only way I see him getting the seed is if it Gom goes 100% conciliatory mode for Sen/IdrA, and go purely merit based with Polt and viOLet.

(T)MarineKingPrime: If he should somehow lose his Code A match, and then drop out of the Up-Downs, then obviously MKP will get in.

(Z)EG.IdrA: If you're willing to sacrifice integrity, why not go the full nine yards?

(T)EG.DeMusliM: Three conditions for this to even begin to be possible. 1) GomTV just can't stomach giving IdrA a seed next season, 2) They still have a grudge against NaNiwa/think he had enough chances, 3) DeMusliM states his desire to go to Korea in time.

(Z)Mill.Stephano: It's his the second he asks for it, so it's all contingent on his will to go to Korea. GomTV might really have to bribe him to make this worth his while.

Non-Code S, Winner of IEM Grand Finals: DRG, MC, and MMA already have Code S seeds. Zenio, SuperNoVa, and JYP could have them too, depending on how the up-downs go. Perhaps a high finish from Ret, and...


Whoever they choose, it will be a business decision for the GSL, and I think our collective acceptance of business decisions has grown considerably this weekend. It looks like MLG's paid off. Your move, GSL.






This article does not endorse the seeding of a specific player. It is a look at the factors that would affect such a decision, and speculation on the likely candidates based on those factors.



















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Inertia_EU
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom513 Posts
February 27 2012 10:38 GMT
#2
"(Z)Stephano: It's his the second he asks for it, so it's all contingent on his will to go to Korea." One can only hope he decides to, he's a fantastic player and personality. But I reckon it'll be HuK and a korean.
Spaceneil8
Profile Joined February 2011
United States317 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 10:41:19
February 27 2012 10:39 GMT
#3
Uhh... You are forgetting one huge player.

RET!!!

Beating MVP at the winter arena is no joke.

Edit: what about haypro as well? Not code s but maybe an up and down seed like morrow.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
February 27 2012 10:40 GMT
#4
It would be really interesting if Stephano would agree, most people will say that he said "no" some time ago, yes but now his market value is even stronger because Idra and Sen bombed out. I can see Gom "bribing" him with offer.
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Rossen
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark177 Posts
February 27 2012 10:42 GMT
#5
Great write-up . I agree on everything and i gotta say your one of the first in a while who's given any props to HuK, ty for that.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
February 27 2012 10:42 GMT
#6
Note:
With those factors in mind, here are the four candidates that seem the most likely: EG.HuK, QxG.NaNiwa, and TSL_Polt. The two that are chosen will depend on how GSL weighs the various factors.

Pretty much sums it up. I think the most likely are those three as well. Polt and Naniwa I'm thinking. Everyone agrees that his actions are in the past. I think.
Black17
Profile Joined October 2011
France435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 10:46:06
February 27 2012 10:43 GMT
#7
As usual, great writeup !

I would love to see Stephano in code S but I don't think he's willing to accept it as he prefers to win the easier European tournaments.

Besides him, as a foreigner, I think NaNiwa's run at MLG is the most impressive and that he deserves it this time if Gom's willing to forgive the probe rush (I don't want to downgrade Huk's achievement in that MLG but he had a really easier bracket than everyone else).

I would give the 2 spots to NaNiwa (to have a foreigner) and Polt (as long as Stephano still doesn't accept it).
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33503 Posts
February 27 2012 10:45 GMT
#8
On February 27 2012 19:42 Ktk wrote:
Note:
With those factors in mind, here are the four candidates that seem the most likely: EG.HuK, QxG.NaNiwa, and TSL_Polt. The two that are chosen will depend on how GSL weighs the various factors.

Pretty much sums it up. I think the most likely are those three as well. Polt and Naniwa I'm thinking. Everyone agrees that his actions are in the past. I think.


my bad, typo from when I included violet in the top group, and then it seemed more and more unlikely when I thought about it.
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vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
February 27 2012 10:46 GMT
#9
Get naniwaaa :/
krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
February 27 2012 10:48 GMT
#10
I would want Polt and Stephano. GOM should just give this french dude 2000 dollars or sth (unofficially ofc), then hes on his plane to SK. An GOM sells A LOT of tickets to get a good ROI. and we, the spectators, finally have the best foreigner in GSL
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Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
February 27 2012 10:50 GMT
#11
i would love to see stephano in gsl... considering also he is limiting his sc2 career for like another year?
Inertia_EU
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom513 Posts
February 27 2012 10:50 GMT
#12
On February 27 2012 19:43 Black17 wrote:
I would love to see Stephano in code S but I don't think he's willing to accept it as he prefers to win the easier European tournaments.

With so many Korean invites these days I can't see it being that all too much now, It's probably just the distance from family and friends - I'm certain He'll go to Korea again at some point, when however I don't know.
God I want him to have a serious run in the GSL, my favourite moments have probably been when Jinro was hitting ro4's.
MentalM
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway12 Posts
February 27 2012 10:52 GMT
#13
I thought they had to be considered "foreigners" aswell, and that would rule out Polt being able to receive any seed?
When did ignorance become a point of view?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 10:56:05
February 27 2012 10:52 GMT
#14
What did I just read? Seemed to me there was a whole paragraph that could be summarized as:

Naniwa:
Naniwa has no outstanding tournament results in 2012, however since gom has given out seeds randomly as in the case of Idra and Sen, they might as well give Naniwa one.


And why is violet only a minor candidate? He won Sao Paolo and was the 2nd highest non-code S finisher of MLG Winter Arena! I'd say switch the places of Naniwa and viOlet. Not that it matters though, because I doubt viOlet is willing to go back to Korea.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 10:53:24
February 27 2012 10:53 GMT
#15
Would love to see Stephano as well.
But realistically Naniwa+Polt.

edit: great write-up by the way
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2012 10:53 GMT
#16
On February 27 2012 19:52 MentalM wrote:
I thought they had to be considered "foreigners" aswell, and that would rule out Polt being able to receive any seed?


Nope, Mr. Chae said that Koreans with good international results can be given a seed as well.
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
February 27 2012 10:54 GMT
#17
I really think GomTV will chose Nani as one of them, and I do hope that HuK will see a seed.

Stephano is the one I want to see in thr GSL though... I think he he is the best foreigner atm, infront of HuK and Nani.
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
February 27 2012 10:55 GMT
#18
I would like to see HuK having a second chance. Just because of his GSL accomplishments, MLG has no meaning.
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
February 27 2012 10:56 GMT
#19
I would love to say Demuslim but I think it would be too much for him to get tossed into that right away. Would really love to see him end up in Korea soon, but with the MLG's coming up who knows.

I think Naniwa has learned his lesson from his previous mistake. He appeared more mature from it in the HotBid interview of all places lol. Would love to see him continue to make respectable moves, while growing on the biggest scene.

Idra, so much to say. I would shift his focus onto upcoming MLG's and not put much concern in code S.

Huk with his recent finish and getting a great showing of what he is capable of in the past, would be the most deserving of the spot.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 27 2012 10:59 GMT
#20
You don't need more Terrans in GSL, especially not one like Polt. There's a reason he's not in the GSL anymore. Stephano, Naniwa and Huk would be much better in Code S.
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