On February 27 2012 20:25 Faggatron wrote: Would be very sad to see HuK get this over Naniwa. His performance at mlg was better even though he placed lower. They both lost to same opponents, but nani killed the 2nd and 3rd best zergs in the world (playing incredibly). Also he deserves it after being robbed over the probe rush, and I think he'd do a lot better than huk.
Played incredibly? Proxy 2 gate to beat Nestea? truly incredible.
Did you see game 2? Was a response to that. People love to thrown in individual games without any of the context just to shit on players.
As for the seeds, I don't think they should be giving seeds for Code S so I'll abstain.
Honestly naniwa was dead but nestea pulled drones which actually put him far behind.
On February 27 2012 20:25 Faggatron wrote: Would be very sad to see HuK get this over Naniwa. His performance at mlg was better even though he placed lower. They both lost to same opponents, but nani killed the 2nd and 3rd best zergs in the world (playing incredibly). Also he deserves it after being robbed over the probe rush, and I think he'd do a lot better than huk.
Played incredibly? Proxy 2 gate to beat Nestea? truly incredible.
That was ONE match, and it followed up TWO cheeses in a row from Nestea. That's besides the fact that Naniwa NEVER cheeses, which made his 2gate that more exciting to watch, especially since Nestea tried to cheese him out the prior two matches. Did you even watch Naniwa's matches? He actually did play incredibly the whole tournament, and if he wasn't such a stubborn and predictable player he wouldn't have gotten abused by DRG(I dont blame DRG one bit). Besides the fact that he had to play arguably the 3 best Zergs in the world, IN A ROW. Come on, I know there are lots of Naniwa haters but he played very well.
Please, no Polt D: we only finally got rid of him D:
Polt-specific feelings aside, I think that someone who just got eliminated from code A shouldn't be eligible for a code S seed at least for the immediately following tournament. If Polt continues to slay European nerds then by all means, invite him in May or something. But not after he just got kicked out. Same goes for Huk. FTR, I was also against Naniwa receiving three invites in a row.
Also I would argue that MLG should weigh heavier than Assembly. The star power of Assembly simply doesn't compare.
Huk should definitely not be in code s. If any foreigner should be in code s it would be naniwa or stephano. Naniwa he has consistent winnings against some of the best players in the world. Huk having the easiest path in mlg winter was a big part of his 3rd place. You could see how once he started to face world class players he completely fell apart.
On February 28 2012 05:08 gedatsu wrote: Please, no Polt D: we only finally got rid of him D:
Polt-specific feelings aside, I think that someone who just got eliminated from code A shouldn't be eligible for a code S seed at least for the immediately following tournament. If Polt continues to slay European nerds then by all means, invite him in May or something. But not after he just got kicked out. Same goes for Huk. FTR, I was also against Naniwa receiving three invites in a row.
Also I would argue that MLG should weigh heavier than Assembly. The star power of Assembly simply doesn't compare.
Get Naniwa, in my opinion. Huk is also fine, but I'd prefer Naniwa. I kind of feel that his run in Winter Arena was just as, if not more impressive than, Huks, and that he has matured significantly since Blizzard Cup. Given the chance, he would play well and behave in Code S.
On February 27 2012 19:59 Incognoto wrote: You don't need more Terrans in GSL, especially not one like Polt. There's a reason he's not in the GSL anymore. Stephano, Naniwa and Huk would be much better in Code S.
And what reason would that be? Would it be different from one why Naniwa or Huk are not in Code S?
And on topic "WHO SHOULD BE IN CODE S?" Does it matter? Mr. Chae knows who will actually be in CODE S and we will know soon enough.
On February 28 2012 05:33 blizzind wrote: Huk should definitely not be in code s. If any foreigner should be in code s it would be naniwa or stephano. Naniwa he has consistent winnings against some of the best players in the world. Huk having the easiest path in mlg winter was a big part of his 3rd place. You could see how once he started to face world class players he completely fell apart.
he beat OZ, One of the best PVP toss in the world.
People bitch about his run, because it was mostly PVP.
I find it funny, because stephano played in a tourny with ALOT weaker players, played like 80% ZvP (HIS BEST MU). and placed 1 spot higher than huk, yet he is herald as the next coming of christ.
To be honest, stephano is one of the best outside of korea, but he isnt "THE BEST BY FAR" as so many like to pretend.
I think Nani, huk, and stephano would be amazing additions to gsl. Even if polt deserves it more than all three.
"top eight MLG New York don't look very good on paper"
It might not look good on paper but i don't feel like it resembles his actual performance.
He had some pretty hard opponents. He met 4 koreans (MKP, NesTea, Leenock, DRG) and he beat two of those and lost to the other two.
So i wouldn't actually look at his placement in this tournament because he had a pretty tough run. I would rather look at his performance, the matches that he played and the players that he beat.
If he had gotten an easier bracket im sure he would atleast be top3. Then it would look good on paper. But im glad he didn't get the easy road because i want to see him win over really good players and he did that.
After watching the same handful of players (both Korean and foreigner) be given chances and then be beaten out of Code S and Code A, offering people like Naniwa, IdrA and HuK seeds just feels like propping them up, and setting the stage for more disappointing and lackluster matches. I'm tired of seeing the same people play "musical seeds" at every tournament event. I'd rather see more emphasis put back on the merit of the players, rather than their popularity.
Also, foreigner players have needed to step up their game for a long while now. On the right day, some of them can give Korean players a run for their money, but there's no consistency, and it's frustrating to watch.
On February 28 2012 05:08 gedatsu wrote: Please, no Polt D: we only finally got rid of him D:
Polt-specific feelings aside, I think that someone who just got eliminated from code A shouldn't be eligible for a code S seed at least for the immediately following tournament. If Polt continues to slay European nerds then by all means, invite him in May or something. But not after he just got kicked out. Same goes for Huk. FTR, I was also against Naniwa receiving three invites in a row.
Also I would argue that MLG should weigh heavier than Assembly. The star power of Assembly simply doesn't compare.
Polt has been slaying European nerds for a while.
He pretty much wins as many Euro online tournaments than the actual Europeans.
And just because MLG > Assembly in talent doesn't mean anything. Polt pretty much had, in either Assembly or MLG, one of the hardest roads all weekend. Taeja, Hero, Lucky, and Stephano? Testing all of his match-ups and not just one? His "weakest" match-up being the one he had to play in the semifinals/finals and going 7-2 against top competition?
On February 28 2012 05:33 blizzind wrote: Huk should definitely not be in code s. If any foreigner should be in code s it would be naniwa or stephano. Naniwa he has consistent winnings against some of the best players in the world. Huk having the easiest path in mlg winter was a big part of his 3rd place. You could see how once he started to face world class players he completely fell apart.
he beat OZ, One of the best PVP toss in the world.
People bitch about his run, because it was mostly PVP.
I find it funny, because stephano played in a tourny with ALOT weaker players, played like 80% ZvP (HIS BEST MU). and placed 1 spot higher than huk, yet he is herald as the next coming of christ.
To be honest, stephano is one of the best outside of korea, but he isnt "THE BEST BY FAR" as so many like to pretend.
I think Nani, huk, and stephano would be amazing additions to gsl. Even if polt deserves it more than all three.
Nah it's not the PvP people are bitching about. It's that he got to meet minigun and Socke in his bracket. Ret didn't seem that strong but Oz is pretty good from what iv'e recently heard from people.
NaNiwa had to meet Grubby and Sheth before meeting MKP who sent him to Lower Bracket. Id definately put Grubby and Sheth over minigun and Socke and MKP over all the players that HuK met in his bracket.
NaNiwa then went to LB and beat NesTea and Leenock before going out to DRG.
NaNiwa and HuK lost to the same players but NaNiwa had the harder way. If it weren't for HuK's easier bracket HuK would've gone to LB aswell.
NaNiwa getting beaten 2 times in the tournament by MKP and DRG. HuK getting beaten by the exact same players.
NaNiwa winning against 2 koreans (NesTea, Leenock). HuK winning against 1 korean (Oz).
So yeah i think NaNiwa is more deserving of a Code-S spot than HuK. Even more so when you think about his 2nd place at MLG providence.
Having beaten MVP, NesTea (3 times), DRG and Leenock in just a couple of months.
(He beat MVP, NesTea (2 times) and DongRaeGu at MLG Providence).
MKP should not get code S from the seed, that would trivialize the up and down matches as well as the ro24 -> code S match. He should not get seeded before or after that, and that's if he loses anyway. That could set a precedent for more Coca/Byun type of stuff. Besides, if he plays his best or close he's going up to code S anyway.
I really find it stupid people are saying "Naniwa or HuK, just because we don't need another Terran" Seriously? I may not like TvT but hell i would rather watch Polt try to Bio Vs Mech in Code S rather than watch HuK or Naniwa get dismantled and fall to last in their group.
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