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On February 28 2012 01:35 lrofd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 19:50 Leeoku wrote:
i would love to see stephano in gsl... considering also he is limiting his sc2 career for like another year? he's been affirming clearly (and for a long time now) that he's retiring next year... however during one of his many interviews at assembly, he seemed less affirmative about it. he said he might reconsider it. just throwing you a bone out there :D
Yeah, I think there was something about him continuing if he could continue to pile in cash like this heh.
But if he does decide to end his SC2 career this year, it would be nice if he went there to make his final stand.
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I buy my season ticket for the foreigners. Polt is good for sure and I hope he gets his invite, but I am not interested in watching another Korean Terran in Code S. That said, I would not want to miss Stephano, Huk or Ret playing.
I can, however, miss Naniwa playing. He does not excite me like the other three that I mentioned and never really has. Personal opinion I guess, he just doesn't give me any reason to root for him. I pull for Stephano because I'm Zerg and what hes done since bursting into the scene and I pull for Huk because I live near his Canadian hometown 
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Naniwa just needs to perform well in Korea.
He can beat Code S level players in foreign tournaments, yet gets murdered by lowly Code A level players in GSL. Makes me sad, because I know hes good, he just hits a mental block in Korea it seems.
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If Stephano/Huk get in I'm buying a ticket, otherwise I can do without frankly. I'm one of those guys that only watch the GSL for foreigners' sake and I do believe there are many more that would do the same. I'm tired of seeing korean-on-korean action.
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Obviously HuK + NaNiwa would be the smart business decision. If they just seed another korean its as if they wasted those slots. Competition wise it would be the best but they would see no monetary benefit. But i doubt that their Korean pride will allow them to seed Naniwa and on the other hand i dont think HuK should accept his. He just dropped out of code A and it would damage him in the eyes of other korean pros to accept such seed. And i think HuK cares about that deeply.
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Naniwa, Polt, HuK, Violet and Stephano are the players that are my candidates. Hoping for Naniwa. Are there any seeds into up/downs this time?
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On February 28 2012 02:18 Al Bundy wrote:
GSL is an actual competition, you know, it's a proper starcraft tournament. all those other tournaments are just fancy 3-day fun fairs, in which the competition is a farce, and everyone's in it for the money.
I kind of agree with you but how GSL seeding system is unfair?
They don't invite anyone they want based on no criteria at all. They invite non already code S top finishers in internationnal events. Unlike most tournaments which invite whoever is the most hyped regardless of results ( aka Bomber or DRG before they acually got results ).
It's just great to possibly bring in the competition players that might have not even tried to come to korea otherwise. I mean, what is there here to loose? Credibility? It's ONLY TWO SLOTS, two slots for players who achieved good results, not for some random GMs that would be here because friends and family voted for them on a poll somewhere on the net.
If the two invites are taken down, even if it is with ease, well it won't impact the tournament that much since the Ro32 step consists in group play.
But if they do well and go far that would mean they are indeed S class and that the seeding system is justified ( like it appeared to be with MC, DRG or MMA ) since it can actually bring back to code S people who actually belong there (since they can compete with and take games off of code S players).
So those two spots are just enough so that they don't have such an influence on Ro32 if the chosen players are "bad", but also act as good way to have a code S level players income with more variety in their origins.
Let's take an exemple for those who follow football ( and by that I mean soccer for you north american eretics ! xD). The best league in football is the Champions League. To qualify for that league teams must be top finishers (from 1st to 3rd according to the each country league level) in the nationnal league of their own country. Therefore in the end you can end up with groups in the Champions League in which you have Barcelona + Manchester United + Real Madrid + Some crappy french team ( i'm french and compared to the very top european teams our best teams are crappy we have to admit xD).
Even journalists would say "that's the group of death + a french team which is stuck in between". But still it's the greatest football competition on earth because it happens to showcase the best of everywhere in Europe. So even if french teams are a bit lame well their presence contributes to the greatness of the event because they still might cause some upset and make the whole thing even more exciting.
I just don't think people are ready to consider video games as a so said "e-SPORT" when I read so many comments against those seeds Oo
Please forgive me for my english if it is not understandable xD
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On February 28 2012 02:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
Naniwa just needs to perform well in Korea.
He can beat Code S level players in foreign tournaments, yet gets murdered by lowly Code A level players in GSL. Makes me sad, because I know hes good, he just hits a mental block in Korea it seems.
He drew 3 Zergs, at times when PvZ was by far his worst matchup. Its a bit early to think of a "mental block".
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Polt, Naniwa, Stephano, HuK. In that order.
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On February 28 2012 02:05 Al Bundy wrote:
Stephano "GomTV might really have to bribe him to make this worth his while."
Yeah, sure...
Dude doesn't want to compete with the best, to me that means that he's not really dedicated to this esport.
Stephano has already said he isn't dedicated to SC2, in fact he plans to stop playing it in a few years to get a real job. That's why he only plays a few hours a day, because this isn't his life dream. You have to respect that!
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Would love to see stephano + polt, if they show games like they did in Code S I'd buy the crap out of GSL tickets for friends to watch.
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maybe they should seed stephano directly to top 8 maybe he would accept that way :D
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On February 28 2012 02:59 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 02:18 Al Bundy wrote:
GSL is an actual competition, you know, it's a proper starcraft tournament. all those other tournaments are just fancy 3-day fun fairs, in which the competition is a farce, and everyone's in it for the money. I kind of agree with you but how GSL seeding system is unfair? They don't invite anyone they want based on no criteria at all. They invite non already code S top finishers in internationnal events. Unlike most tournaments which invite whoever is the most hyped regardless of results ( aka Bomber or DRG before they acually got results ). It's just great to possibly bring in the competition players that might have not even tried to come to korea otherwise. I mean, what is there here to loose? Credibility? It's ONLY TWO SLOTS, two slots for players who achieved good results, not for some random GMs that would be here because friends and family voted for them on a poll somewhere on the net. If the two invites are taken down, even if it is with ease, well it won't impact the tournament that much since the Ro32 step consists in group play. But if they do well and go far that would mean they are indeed S class and that the seeding system is justified ( like it appeared to be with MC, DRG or MMA ) since it can actually bring back to code S people who actually belong there (since they can compete with and take games off of code S players). So those two spots are just enough so that they don't have such an influence on Ro32 if the chosen players are "bad", but also act as good way to have a code S level players income with more variety in their origins. Let's take an exemple for those who follow football ( and by that I mean soccer for you north american eretics ! xD). The best league in football is the Champions League. To qualify for that league teams must be top finishers (from 1st to 3rd according to the each country league level) in the nationnal league of their own country. Therefore in the end you can end up with groups in the Champions League in which you have Barcelona + Manchester United + Real Madrid + Some crappy french team ( i'm french and compared to the very top european teams our best teams are crappy we have to admit xD). Even journalists would say "that's the group of death + a french team which is stuck in between". But still it's the greatest football competition on earth because it happens to showcase the best of everywhere in Europe. So even if french teams are a bit lame well their presence contributes to the greatness of the event because they still might cause some upset and make the whole thing even more exciting. I just don't think people are ready to consider video games as a so said "e-SPORT" when I read so many comments against those seeds Oo Please forgive me for my english if it is not understandable xD
Fair enough, I agree that it's only two slots, and doesn't have a big influence on the outcome of the tournament. Nonetheless, the lack of consistency of the contenders mentionned in the OP is an issue. There is no point awarding seeds to people who will certainly choke in the first or second round. We've seen it before. As an esports enthusiast my goal is to witness only the highest level of play.
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On February 28 2012 03:00 striderxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 02:05 Al Bundy wrote:
Stephano "GomTV might really have to bribe him to make this worth his while."
Yeah, sure...
Dude doesn't want to compete with the best, to me that means that he's not really dedicated to this esport. Stephano has already said he isn't dedicated to SC2, in fact he plans to stop playing it in a few years to get a real job. That's why he only plays a few hours a day, because this isn't his life dream. You have to respect that!
Well thanks for the information, wow I can't believe he manages to destroy people left and right despite that 
edit; sorry for the double post, I should have edited the first one
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On February 28 2012 01:17 Imbu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 01:03 nimdil wrote:On February 28 2012 00:59 Vardant wrote:On February 28 2012 00:43 Proseat wrote:
I think these direct Code S seeds should altogether be abolished. I do not mind Code A seeds, though.
Why? The current system is perfect. If you somehow can't keep with the Code S/A level players, you're gone in one season. I agree that these should be Code A spots. Code S should be elite of the elite. Direct Wild Card just introduces a bit of "foreign folklore" and - unfortunately - easy wins for other players which make the whole Code S tournament uneven (I guess everybody would be happy to play against IdrA in the most recent Code S). But in IdrA's case, it wasn't that he as a poor (for lack of a better word) foreign candidate for Code S, it's that he's just playing terribly at the moment. If you had someone on the level of NaNiwa, HuK, or Stephano, they would have most likely have made it through to at least the round of 16.
There were exactly 3 players succesful - to a degree - in GSL
1) Jinro, obviously
2) IdrA
both of these accomplishments where in the early GSLs.
3) HuK
who wasn't that good at the start and gradually improved up to GSL Code S Top8.
My point is that based on statistics foreigner - with high probability - would be easy money in elite Code S GSL tournament.
It is possible that a foreigner will suddenly shake GSL thanks to direct Code S seed. It is highly unlikely at the time, though.
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I don't know about NaNiwa really, I think the two who deserve more are Polt and viOlet who have been kicking asses online and offline.
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On February 28 2012 03:00 striderxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 02:05 Al Bundy wrote:
Stephano "GomTV might really have to bribe him to make this worth his while."
Yeah, sure...
Dude doesn't want to compete with the best, to me that means that he's not really dedicated to this esport. Stephano has already said he isn't dedicated to SC2, in fact he plans to stop playing it in a few years to get a real job. That's why he only plays a few hours a day, because this isn't his life dream. You have to respect that!
I'm pretty sure he practices more than "a few" hours per day. I thought that was just some bullshit his fanboys made up so that they could say he could be the best in the world. Isn't he even in the Millenium teamhouse to practice?
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On February 28 2012 03:31 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 03:00 striderxxx wrote:On February 28 2012 02:05 Al Bundy wrote:
Stephano "GomTV might really have to bribe him to make this worth his while."
Yeah, sure...
Dude doesn't want to compete with the best, to me that means that he's not really dedicated to this esport. Stephano has already said he isn't dedicated to SC2, in fact he plans to stop playing it in a few years to get a real job. That's why he only plays a few hours a day, because this isn't his life dream. You have to respect that! I'm pretty sure he practices more than "a few" hours per day. I thought that was just some bullshit his fanboys made up so that they could say he could be the best in the world. Isn't he even in the Millenium teamhouse to practice?
This "few hours a day" was like 7-8 months ago before his school year was over. After that he took a year off to play sc2 full time and earn as much money as he could so he wouldn't have to think about money when he starts med school and drop sc2 the next semester.
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"top eight MLG New York don't look very good on paper"
Indeed it doesn't, but if you look at the players he lost to, the winner and the runner up of the event, Naniwa could just as well has placed 3rd. I'm not saying he would've had he had another bracket, but placement doesn't tell the whole story.
Polt certainly deserves a seed though. He had a great showing at RoG and is most certainly code S class.
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